Hinckley shooting under investigation

Hinckley shooting under investigation

There are 23 comments on the Moose Lake Star Gazette story from Oct 7, 2011, titled Hinckley shooting under investigation. In it, Moose Lake Star Gazette reports that:

On October 2, 2011, at approximately 7:07 a.m., the Pine County Sheriff's Office received a call of shots fired on Evergreen Court in Hinckley, MN.

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CRASSUS

Green Bay, WI

#1 Oct 7, 2011
Do any black people live in Hinckley?
Well now

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Oct 7, 2011
Same question different angle.

Does a freeway run through the town?
luvnono

Los Angeles, CA

#3 Oct 16, 2011
CRASSUS wrote:
Do any black people live in Hinckley?
What the heck does that mean??????
CRASSUS

Green Bay, WI

#4 Oct 16, 2011
luvnono wrote:
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What the heck does that mean??????
It means he's guilty. Stupid.
Fool Finder

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Oct 17, 2011
CRASSUS wrote:
<quoted text>It means he's guilty. Stupid.
I am sure you thought long and hard about you're comment before posting it. Now everyone knows how big a fool you are. Your parents should have gotten you a better education.
AntiMelting

New Richmond, WI

#6 Oct 17, 2011
Fool Finder wrote:
<quoted text> I am sure you thought long and hard about you're comment before posting it. Now everyone knows how big a fool you are. Your parents should have gotten you a better education.
What do high crime rates in Minneapolis and the demographics have in common?
harry

Chicago, IL

#7 Oct 17, 2011
luvnono wrote:
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What the heck does that mean??????
I see you changed monikers or in your case mokeykers.
harry

Chicago, IL

#8 Oct 17, 2011
Silver backs are every where, every where, every where.
CRASSUS

Green Bay, WI

#9 Oct 17, 2011
Fool Finder wrote:
<quoted text> I am sure you thought long and hard about you're comment before posting it. Now everyone knows how big a fool you are. Your parents should have gotten you a better education.
They did. I went to an all white school.
Uncle

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Oct 17, 2011
CRASSUS wrote:
<quoted text>They did. I went to an all white school.
You are a piece of Shat!
ishwaas

United States

#11 Nov 1, 2011
a few year back white pll were out hunting N killed a Hmong person. He felt under attack therefore he fely hunted and start shooting back. Now the Hmong s facing charges not the ones that hunted him down. Racist ppl are ignorant ppl but they only learn what they are taught.
trolls

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Nov 1, 2011
ishwaas wrote:
a few year back white pll were out hunting N killed a Hmong person. He felt under attack therefore he fely hunted and start shooting back. Now the Hmong s facing charges not the ones that hunted him down. Racist ppl are ignorant ppl but they only learn what they are taught.
You mean the Hmong guy (Vang I believe) who shot an entire hunting party in WI? The guy who was trespassing? The guy who shot people in the back and shot people driving away on 4 wheelers? That guy? Maybe you should get your facts straight? Lets start with the fact that no Hmong person was killed in that incident.
trolls

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Nov 1, 2011
ishwaas wrote:
a few year back white pll were out hunting N killed a Hmong person. He felt under attack therefore he fely hunted and start shooting back. Now the Hmong s facing charges not the ones that hunted him down. Racist ppl are ignorant ppl but they only learn what they are taught.
On the weekend of the shootings, Vang went out deer hunting with two friends and their two sons in northwest Wisconsin, a region where deer hunting is particularly popular, east of Birchwood, Wisconsin around the town of Meteor. Meteor extends over a large sparsely populated area. The land in the area is a mix of public and private. It is believed that Vang and his friends began their day on public land, but he later went onto a private 400 acre (1.6 km˛) tract of land.

On Sunday, November 21, a hunting party of about 15 people were in a cabin on this private land. Terry Willers, one of the two co-owners of the land, left the cabin and saw Vang sitting in a deer stand. He used a handheld radio to ask the people still in the cabin whether or not anyone should be in the stand. Upon receiving a response in the negative, he began to approach Vang and called to him to leave the private land. After asking for directions, Vang proceeded to walk away towards a trail through a forested area of the property. At that point five of the hunters from the cabin who had heard the radio message arrived on ATVs. Robert Crotteau, the other co-owner, reportedly implied that Vang should be reported to the Department of Natural Resources for trespassing and suggested making a note of his hunting license number. Terry Willers wrote the number in the dust on one of the ATVs.

The events after the confrontation are disputed. A violent altercation broke out and four of the eight victims were shot in the back, and three of these four were hit by multiple rounds. Vang is believed to have fired about 20 rounds from a Saiga rifle chambered in 7.62x39. One of the wounded hunters died the next day, bringing the toll to six dead and two wounded.

Vang was apprehended about five hours after the shootings and was placed in custody of the Sawyer County Jail on November 24, 2004. His bail was set at $2.5 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang
trolls

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Nov 1, 2011
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There have been conflicting reports about what may have led to the shootings. According to subsequent oral statements by Vang, one of the local hunters, Terry Willers, took the first shot at him from about 100 feet (30 m) away, and therefore the shootings were in self-defense. No shell casing was ever recovered from Willers' gun even though during the trial Hesebeck admitted to firing a single shot later during the incident when Vang, noticing that Hesebeck was still alive, fired at him again. Hesebeck testified no shot was fired before Vang started shooting. Additional forensic analysis of Willers' gun was not performed by the local law enforcement. The statements of both Vang and Hesebeck state that Vang removed the scope from his rifle before firing his first shot. Vang claimed race was a factor, alleging that during the verbal dispute, some of the local hunters yelled out racial slurs at him such as "chink" and "gook". On the stand Hesebeck admitted Robert Crotteau had called Vang a 'Hmong a--hole.' Hesebeck also admitted that he told law enforcement that Robert Crotteau had had problems with trespassers in the past, specifically citing Hmong hunters, who often travel to Wisconsin from Minnesota to hunt. The term "Mud Duck" is often used in Western Wisconsin to refer to Minnesota residents, similar to "Cheesehead" being used to describe Wisconsin residents. Willers used this term to describe Chai Vang when he radioed back to the cabin. The term has no racial connotation, although the defense claimed it did. It is unknown how Willers and the others knew that Vang was from Minnesota.

Vang has a history of domestic violence. In addition, as stated in the criminal complaint, Vang shot four of the victims in the back, and Vang himself admits he shot one victim in the back. He also shot many of the victims multiple times. The prosecution made use of these facts in arguing against the claim of self defense
trolls

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Nov 1, 2011
Vang told the jury he feared for his life and began firing only after another hunter's shot nearly hit him. He detailed for jurors how the other hunters approached him, and how he responded by shooting at each one. He says he shot two of the victims in the back because they were "disrespectful". He recounted with clarity how he killed each victim. While saying on the stand, "(he wished) it wasn't happening," Chai Soua Vang contended that three of the hunters deserved to die:

"Did Mr. Crotteau deserve to die?" Wisconsin Attorney General Peg Lautenschlager asked.

"Yes," Chai Soua Vang replied.

Vang further testified that Joseph Crotteau deserved to die "because he accused me of giving him the finger and tried to cut in front of me to stop me from leaving." And Laski deserved to die because he had a gun, he said.[2] Vang re-enacted his deeds while on the stand, using his hands and arms to imitate the motions of firing a rifle. Vang's lawyers commented that some of his abnormal remarks were possibly due to the language barrier. Therefore, when Vang responded affirmatively to the question that Mr. Crotteau and Mr. Laski "deserved to die," his meaning implied that the men contributed to the circumstances that led to their deaths.

[edit] ConvictionOn September 16, 2005 Chai Soua Vang was found guilty of all six charges of first degree intentional homicide and two charges of attempted homicide by a jury of eight women and four men. On November 8, 2005, he was sentenced to six consecutive life terms plus seventy years (40 for two counts of attempted homicide plus five additional years for each count of homicide in the first degree). At the time, Wisconsin was one of 12 states in the U.S. that did not have the death penalty.
trolls

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Nov 1, 2011
ConvictionOn September 16, 2005 Chai Soua Vang was found guilty of all six charges of first degree intentional homicide and two charges of attempted homicide by a jury of eight women and four men. On November 8, 2005, he was sentenced to six consecutive life terms plus seventy years (40 for two counts of attempted homicide plus five additional years for each count of homicide in the first degree). At the time, Wisconsin was one of 12 states in the U.S. that did not have the death penalty.

Too bad WI didn't have the death penalty.

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#17 Nov 1, 2011
You guys need to quit playing in the middle of the freeway.

Just lay down aND TAKE A NAP.

The white lines are for you to sleep on.
rider

Marquette, MI

#18 Nov 3, 2011
Bush/Hinckley/Christian Mafia In 1973, Weyrich and Joseph Coors (after all,“Jesus” and beer are not mutually exclusive) started the right-wing Heritage Foundation, a spawning ground for future Republican politicians and policy planks. Many of their policy initiatives, including the dismantling of Roosevelt’s New Deal, Truman’s Fair Deal, and Johnson’s Great Society, were to have their genesis in the Heritage Foundation.

Rove helped George W. Bush in his failed 1978 campaign for a congressional seat in Texas. Although Bush got his first dose of “Jesus” control in 1972 in San Diego, he was not a very good disciple. In 1978, he was still drinking heavily. A failed oilman in west Texas, it would have been easy to write him off politically. But this son of George H. W. Bush would prove extremely useful for the Fellowship and its allies.

Another troubled young man who was exposed to Christian evangelism but who became active in right-wing Nazi causes was John W. Hinckley, Jr., the Texas-raised son of the wealthy head of Vanderbilt Energy Company, John W. Hinckley, Sr. Eventually, the Hinckleys moved from Dallas, Texas to Evergreen, Colorado. Hinckley, Jr., like Rove, dropped out of college. After a failed attempt at becoming a songwriter in Hollywood, Hinckley returned to Evergreen, where he worked as a busboy in a nightclub. In late 1980, at the same time George H. W. Bush was planning his meeting in Paris with emissaries of the Islamic regime in Iran to convince them to hold on to U.S. embassy hostages taken captive in Tehran in 1979 until after the presidential election -- in order to deny President Carter an “October Surprise”-- Hinckley began stalking Carter. He also stalked presidential candidate Senator Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts. When Nashville Airport baggage metal detectors identified two handguns in Hinckley’s luggage, he was arrested, had his weapons confiscated, fined $62.50, and released. President Carter was making a campaign stop in Nashville the day Hinckley was arrested but the Secret Service decided not to make any more inquiries. Hinckley then purchased two more handguns.

John Hinckley’s brother Scott, who was Vice President of Vanderbilt Energy, was a friend of Neil Bush, George H. W. Bush’s Colorado-based son who would later go on to infamy in the Silverado Savings & Loan scandal. George H. W. Bush was sworn in as Vice President of the United States on January 20, 1981. Instead of a surprise that would help Carter win re-election, the October Surprise turned out to be a Bush surprise that cost Carter the election. True to their agreement with Bush, the Iranians released American embassy hostages they very moment Ronald Reagan was sworn in as president. A few weeks later, Reagan appeared at the National Prayer Breakfast at the Washington Hilton Hotel along with Vice President Bush. Longtime Fellowship leader Albert Quie, then Governor of Minnesota, gave the keynote message.

A little over two months later, John W. Hinckley, Jr., stepped from a crowd gathered outside the very same hotel where Reagan had prayed in February with the Fellowship. Hinckley fired six shots from his Rohm R6-14 handgun in the direction of Reagan. One struck the president in his left chest, the bullet lodging an inch from Reagan’s heart. George H. W. Bush was literally one inch from the presidency. But the Bush dynasty’s total seizure of the White House would have to wait.
http://insider-magazine.org/ChristianMafia.ht ...
rider

Marquette, MI

#19 Nov 3, 2011
9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out, Trailer; AE911Truth.org , 9/11/11 Anniversary DVD http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
Cyndi

United States

#20 Nov 11, 2011
CRASSUS wrote:
Do any black people live in Hinckley?
You have announced to anyone who reads this just how ignorant you are Mr. Crassus! Being black doesn't have a thing to do with anything! What is that saying "Ignorance is Bliss!"

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