Facing Pawlenty veto, lawmakers pull ...

Facing Pawlenty veto, lawmakers pull back $1B bonding bill

There are 35 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Feb 23, 2010, titled Facing Pawlenty veto, lawmakers pull back $1B bonding bill. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Like Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown, Minnesota House Speaker Margaret Anderson Kelliher on Tuesday jerked a $1 billion public works bill away from Gov.

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Dumbfounded

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Feb 24, 2010
The oldest negotiating trick in the playbook: put everything, including the
kitchen sink into the first offer and wait for the other side to go nuts saying
it is way too much. Then pull back and "compromise" with them asking for
the amount you had hoped to get in the first place. You make them feel
they won something in the negotiations while the whole time you got pretty
much what you wanted all along..........
and we keep falling for it every time. Amazing!
Disgusted

AOL

#2 Feb 24, 2010
A contractors' organization estimated a $1 billion public works bill would create about 21,000 jobs

No bias there...just take their word for it.
Doubting Thomas

Hopkins, MN

#3 Feb 24, 2010
If I understand this correctly the DFL was caught flat footed when the Governor said he'd veto the whole bill and not just the pieces he didn't agree with.

DFL how does it feel to actually have to negotiate? Eventhough I know where these negotiates are going to go:

DFL: Here is what we want
Governor: I don't agree with some of this.

DFL: But this is what we want
Governor: Can we eliminate this

DFL: No

DFL in statement to the public: We tried to negotiate but the Governor was inflexible.
Really

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Feb 24, 2010
scoop salisbury, yes the DFL go to Lap dog is at it again spinning the dems story anuthing to trash the gov and the republicans. he loves LARGE MARGE
Griddy

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Feb 24, 2010
Dumbfounded wrote:
The oldest negotiating trick in the playbook: put everything, including the
kitchen sink into the first offer and wait for the other side to go nuts saying
it is way too much. Then pull back and "compromise" with them asking for
the amount you had hoped to get in the first place. You make them feel
they won something in the negotiations while the whole time you got pretty
much what you wanted all along..........
and we keep falling for it every time. Amazing!
And...for their constituents, they get to blame TPaw for any pork that gets removed.

Since: Mar 09

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#6 Feb 24, 2010
Disgusted wrote:
A contractors' organization estimated a $1 billion public works bill would create about 21,000 jobs
No bias there...just take their word for it.
I'd probably estimate about 10% of their estimate...and even then, construction jobs are ALWAYS temporary jobs, until the next construction project comes along.

If one accepts that these bonding projects "create jobs" (which I don't), then wouldn't also the Moose Lake and Stillwater prison projects also create jobs? Are the DFL representatives 'job killers' because they won't fund these projects?
Joe Merlot

United States

#7 Feb 24, 2010
My goodness. These DFL legislators are very lucky to have state jobs as they would absolutely never make it in the private sector with their lack of people skills and PR savy.

Seriously, how do you they think the public is going to percieve them snubbing seriously important capital improvements to Moose Lake to accomodate the pipeline of extremely dangerous civilly committed sexual predators after they complete their criminal sentances in favor of civic centers, bike trais, etc... Nah, let the sex perps out, people can protect themselves, but you simply can't live without a new local hockey arena. Seriously?
redeemer

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Feb 24, 2010
Hooray margarent,I'm so proud of you madam! You
have shown direct and effective leadership!We all
know what on timmy mind,and it's not to spent our
money on the state business.We can't let that errand boy,keep robbing us blind. he's running for president and the leader of the GOP.and until he resign or announce don't let him put his hands on any funds until 11/11/2010.

I would support you margarent,if you ran for the Governor office.You will have a job on your hands,
be sure to bring a lot soap and water,with you.
TIME FOR CHANGE

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Feb 24, 2010
Perhaps PAW-LENTY should quit campaigning and start
working for Minnesotan's.

A few less trip and maybe we could afford to fix the fence by the prison that he so immaturely talked about on the news.

HE IS ONLY OUT FOR HIS BEST INTEREST. WAKE UP PEOPLE.
Doubting Thomas

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Feb 24, 2010
redeemer wrote:
Hooray margarent,I'm so proud of you madam! You
have shown direct and effective leadership!We all
know what on timmy mind,and it's not to spent our
money on the state business.We can't let that errand boy,keep robbing us blind. he's running for president and the leader of the GOP.and until he resign or announce don't let him put his hands on any funds until 11/11/2010.
I would support you margarent,if you ran for the Governor office.You will have a job on your hands,
be sure to bring a lot soap and water,with you.
News Flash Redeemer I believe Margaret is in the race for Governor.

I like how you see everything with a blue tint. Yesterday you were all over Tim about vetoing this bill and today you're all lovey dovey with the Dems because they pulled the bill back before it could get vetoed.

I bet if Margaret was arrested with 100 pounds of Geef in the trunk of her car you'd claim Tim planted it there and the police were profiling her.
Doubting Thomas

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Feb 24, 2010
TIME FOR CHANGE wrote:
Perhaps PAW-LENTY should quit campaigning and start
working for Minnesotan's.
A few less trip and maybe we could afford to fix the fence by the prison that he so immaturely talked about on the news.
HE IS ONLY OUT FOR HIS BEST INTEREST. WAKE UP PEOPLE.
I wonder... Did you have this same level of outrage for Senator Barrack Obama or Senator Hillary Clinton when they were out campaigning for President? I bet your outrage is focused on the letter next to the person's name, a "D" it's OK, and "R" and you need to work for the people
redeemer

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Feb 24, 2010
Doubting Thomas wrote:
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News Flash Redeemer I believe Margaret is in the race for Governor.
I like how you see everything with a blue tint. Yesterday you were all over Tim about vetoing this bill and today you're all lovey dovey with the Dems because they pulled the bill back before it could get vetoed.
I bet if Margaret was arrested with 100 pounds of Geef in the trunk of her car you'd claim Tim planted it there and the police were profiling her.
Margaret's In?Thanks for the information
but you have been misinform about my objection. My primary arguement is against Timmy ,making any more budgetary decisions for
minnesota until he formally declare his candidacy or is out of office.We have to many state goals to achieve,and Timmy he has his own personal goals to achieve.besides that he is just bad manager.

For somebody who is running as a fiscal conserative.I know he has no ideal what he is talking about.he had seven years to take this state down the rat hole,and he did it.The worst governor that I can remember in my lifetime.everything he touches turns into chit.
also pal I got a stake in this state. I'm a taxpaper.

BTW,IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEAL TO FORCAST ANY BETS FOR OR AGAINST ME!
Joe Merlot

United States

#13 Feb 24, 2010
Doubting Thomas wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder... Did you have this same level of outrage for Senator Barrack Obama or Senator Hillary Clinton when they were out campaigning for President? I bet your outrage is focused on the letter next to the person's name, a "D" it's OK, and "R" and you need to work for the people
Never expect consistency from partisians. They are not capable of it.
Joe Merlot

United States

#14 Feb 24, 2010
Doubting Thomas wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder... Did you have this same level of outrage for Senator Barrack Obama or Senator Hillary Clinton when they were out campaigning for President? I bet your outrage is focused on the letter next to the person's name, a "D" it's OK, and "R" and you need to work for the people
I wouldn't bother with this fool unless you enjoy debating with a pchyzofrenic. The guy is all over the place and can't even do justice to the DFL talking points much less understand the issues at hand to a level that he can debate. You get nothing but completely uninformed and out of context statements from left field coupled with childish name calling from that one.
Doubting Thomas

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Feb 24, 2010
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>Margaret's In?Thanks for the information
but you have been misinform about my objection. My primary arguement is against Timmy ,making any more budgetary decisions for
minnesota until he formally declare his candidacy or is out of office.We have to many state goals to achieve,and Timmy he has his own personal goals to achieve.besides that he is just bad manager.
For somebody who is running as a fiscal conserative.I know he has no ideal what he is talking about.he had seven years to take this state down the rat hole,and he did it.The worst governor that I can remember in my lifetime.everything he touches turns into chit.
also pal I got a stake in this state. I'm a taxpaper.
BTW,IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEAL TO FORCAST ANY BETS FOR OR AGAINST ME!
Well Remeer if I had my way any person running for an office they do not hold would have to resign from their current position. It would also mean that if you lost your campaign you would not get your old position back unless you are voted back in during the next General Election.

If that were in place now, not only would Pawlenty not be Governor but Rybak would not be mayor, Kehilor-Anderson would not be in the state government. If this were to have been applied to the Presidential Elections the following people would not hold a government position today:

Senator Christopher Dodd (D-CN)
Representative Deniss Kucinich (D-OH)
Governor Bill Richardson (D- NM)
Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN)
Senator John McCain (R-AZ)
Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR)
Ron Paul (R-TX)

And so many others.
Doubting Thomas

Hopkins, MN

#16 Feb 24, 2010
Joe Merlot wrote:
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I wouldn't bother with this fool unless you enjoy debating with a pchyzofrenic. The guy is all over the place and can't even do justice to the DFL talking points much less understand the issues at hand to a level that he can debate. You get nothing but completely uninformed and out of context statements from left field coupled with childish name calling from that one.
Thanks for the advice. You know what I find interesting is that virtually none of the Pawlenty bashers that were commenting on the veto article yesterday are here today.

I bet if the Press had entitled the article "Pawlenty Veto Threat Causes DFL Congress to Back Down" This place would have been packed with loyalist defending the DFL and that they didn't back down.
Doubting Thomas

Hopkins, MN

#17 Feb 24, 2010
Joe Merlot wrote:
<quoted text>
I wouldn't bother with this fool unless you enjoy debating with a pchyzofrenic. The guy is all over the place and can't even do justice to the DFL talking points much less understand the issues at hand to a level that he can debate. You get nothing but completely uninformed and out of context statements from left field coupled with childish name calling from that one.
Or how about this for a headline to whip up the DFL faithful "Pawlenty Outmaneuvers DFL Congress. Bonding Bill Recalled."
Joe Merlot

United States

#18 Feb 24, 2010
Doubting Thomas wrote:
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Thanks for the advice. You know what I find interesting is that virtually none of the Pawlenty bashers that were commenting on the veto article yesterday are here today.
I bet if the Press had entitled the article "Pawlenty Veto Threat Causes DFL Congress to Back Down" This place would have been packed with loyalist defending the DFL and that they didn't back down.
You hit the nail on the head and I noticed the same. They are sooo predictable. I don't know whether it's funny, sad or a little of both.
Joe Merlot

United States

#19 Feb 24, 2010
Also, DFL'ers. Please note request #3 from the Governor to focus on a budget bill. We are now a month long into the session and have heard almost nothing from Democrats on a budget fix.

When the budget crisis cranks on the last week of the mandated end of the session, please make sure to remember that they've ignored it for the entire session.... On purpose.... They'll send a tax increase bill to the governor in the final days/hours of the session and then angle for a special session and government shutdown to try to force a proprosal that doesn't enjoy legislative support.

Remember this when the end of the session is upon us, OK?
Doubting Thomas

Minneapolis, MN

#20 Feb 24, 2010
Joe Merlot wrote:
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You hit the nail on the head and I noticed the same. They are sooo predictable. I don't know whether it's funny, sad or a little of both.
I think it sad. There are so many people out there who all they need to know about a candidate is found in the letter next to their name.

You hear them bash Michele Bachman eventhough they don't know the issues facing her district.

They hate Sarah Pallin because of the news articles they've seen on CBS, ABC, or NBC

They love Al Franken even though he has no experience as a government official.

It's really sad

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