Benefits of new-terrain I-69 far outw...

Benefits of new-terrain I-69 far outweigh the drawbacks

There are 10 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Mar 21, 2007, titled Benefits of new-terrain I-69 far outweigh the drawbacks. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The new-terrain I-69 can only be an asset to the majority of the people of Indiana and the communities of Martinsville, Bloomington, Bedford and Evansville.

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Jay

San Francisco, CA

#1 Mar 21, 2007
Sounds like Mitch Daniels wrote a letter to the editor but needed a fake name and M*A*S*H was on TV at the time.

How about we save the money cause nobody wants to go to Evansville, and we can retain the relative charm of at least part of southern Indiana.
peanut gallery

United States

#2 Mar 21, 2007
US 41 + I-70 = Common Sense I-69. Costs less than 1/2 to build and at least $3 million per year less to operate. Serves 3 of the 5 poorest counties in per capita income. Protects the property rights of hundreds of farmers, businesses and landowners. Leaves our precious farm and recreation land for tourism while heavy traffic is travels already disturbed route. No one along the route wants it. Most along US 41 want it. This is no brainer for anyone who cares about the will of the majority. New terrain is just plain wrong.
Ord

San Jose, CA

#3 Mar 21, 2007
Actually, US-41 + I-70 is equivalent to dumping more traffic on two roads that are already clogged with vehicles.

And let us not forget all of the residential and commercial development on Highway 41. Upgrading it to I-69 will require the displacement of hundreds of businesses.

And let's stop trying to isolate Evansville from the rest of the state. They pay taxes like the rest of us, so there's no reason they're not entitled to have an Interstate-quality highway linking them to Indy like everywhere else in the state.
peanut gallery

United States

#4 Mar 23, 2007
Upgrading US 41 is not congested except near Evansville where limited access will help

INDOT's study shows fewer businesses lost upgrading US 41 than new terrain even when not counting over 200 farms as businesses.

Evansville will be hooked up to Indy via Terre Haute instead of Bloomington which is only 15 more miles and $2 billion less to build and $3 million less per year to maintain.

The "straight shot" argument is false. The new terrain route has more curves and hills than Zsa Zsa Gabor. 59 bridges needed instead of 19. Pork Pork Pork. Nothing more than lots of Pork.
Ord

San Jose, CA

#5 Mar 23, 2007
One important point people forget that if I-70 and US-41 were to be used for I-69, each of these segments would have to be widened to at least 6 lanes and probably 8 lanes around Terre Haute and the west side of Indy. US-41 and I-70 would have to be completely reconstructed to accommodate I-69, which means demolishing the existing roadways and bridge structures, and rebuilding everything from the ground up, in addition to displacing hundreds of businesses along US-41.

You opponents must think that transportation officials just randomly selected a route between Indy and Evansville, but that can't be farther from the truth. They don't spend 20 years and tens of millions of dollars performing environmental studies to simply draw a line on a map showing where I-69 will go.

If the government had no concern for the environment or farms or whatever, the I-69 extension to Evansville would have been built 40 years ago when the part north of Indy was built.

BTW...there are as many people along I-70 and US-41 don't want I-69 routed in their direction as there are along the terrain route. This is where the state has to put its foot down and say, "This is where it's going and that's the bottom line."

But...it's almost safe to say I-69's a done deal. Mississippi's already finished part of their stretch; Tennessee and Arkansas are both working at breakneck speed to get their sections done. Kentucky's section will use existing parkways, so much of their work was done a long time ago and only spot upgrades are needed. And Texas is soliciting bids to private firms to build their 500-mile portion of I-69.

People need to put their emotions aside, accept the fact that the road will be built as specified, and stop fighting the inevitable.
LJC

United States

#6 Mar 23, 2007
I live in Trafalgar, and totally disagree with the ICC Toll Road. One reason I live here is to get away from the traffic and commercialism of northern Johnson County. So, why force me to deal with it and bring it to our part of state? I hope it stays away for the continued survival of our small town. I will deal with the extra commute time!
Ord

San Jose, CA

#7 Mar 23, 2007
I-69 and the Indy Connector are two different animals, but Mitch wants to somehow create a marriage between the two.

You are correct LJC, in that we can do without the Indy Connector, but I-69 is long overdue.

The ideal solution to the Indy Connector issue is to build mass transit along the routes leading into and out of Indy. There are many people who want mass transit as an alternative to new roads, but here's the million-dollar question: How many people will ACTUALLY part with their gas-guzzling SUVs and use mass transit if it were made available?

I would gladly use the train if commuter rail service was established, just because I'm tired of skyrocketing gas prices and giving my money to the terrorists (and their state sponsors) every time I fill up my truck.

Unfortunately the reality is that many people want mass transit over roads, but most of those who support mass transit as an alternative to new highways want "everyone else" to ride the train while they continue to use those 4-wheel behemoths that get about 8 miles-per-gallon. That means very few people would actually ride the rails on a regular basis if mass transit was available.

I'm just curious as to how high gas prices will have to go before our society reaches the breaking point and end our marriage to the automobile and start taking mass transit seriously.
Rod McClure

Bloomington, IN

#8 Mar 25, 2007
Alternatives to the new-terrain I-69 route have repeatedly been shown to be more cost effective, easier to build, and less disruptive ecologically.

This pork barrel boondogle of a project will only escalate in cost as time goes on and INDOT's propensity to limit on-ramps and connective access in general will severely limit any economic development possibilities so often promised to the communities it will directly affect.

Businesses currently have direct access to IN 37, but that access will generally not be allowed when it becomes an Interstate Highway.

After the dust settles, the only ones to see any economic benefit from the new-terrain I-69 will be the contractors who build it and the politicians whose pockets they line!

I'm all for improvements, but come on - BILLIONS for a 10-12 minute decrease in commute times??? Get serious - this project is a bad joke on the people of Indiana!
peanut gallery

United States

#9 Mar 26, 2007
The costs are already double what reported in the media. 3 of the 5 poorest counties -per capita income- are along US 41. Daniels job figures come from a Fed Highway study that is way outdated. The previous 8 studies concluded I-69 will not pay for itself. We are 4th in interstate density - living proof that the amount of concrete poored does not guarantee economic vitality past the construction jobs and it leaves a huge maintenance bill to pass on to our kids. Short sighted solutions to long term problems.
sure

Princeton, IN

#11 May 14, 2013
Of course it does

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