Founding Fathers backed Health Insurance Mandate

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Urp

“A Pigment of Imagination”

Since: Feb 11

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#1 Jun 25, 2012
So as we may or may not see the SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare, I find it interesting the big deal is the constitutionality of the individual mandate.

Seems that goes way back to our Founding Fathers, who not only mandated that Ship Owners buy Medical insurance for sailors, but later that the actual sailors themselves had to buy health insurance individually.

Founding fathers also mandated that every able bodied male purchase a firearm.

So much for the "individual mandate to purchase something argument"

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/102620/in...

See what happens this week.
Jason

Morristown, TN

#2 Jun 25, 2012
Urp wrote:
So as we may or may not see the SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare, I find it interesting the big deal is the constitutionality of the individual mandate.
Seems that goes way back to our Founding Fathers, who not only mandated that Ship Owners buy Medical insurance for sailors, but later that the actual sailors themselves had to buy health insurance individually.
Founding fathers also mandated that every able bodied male purchase a firearm.
So much for the "individual mandate to purchase something argument"
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/102620/in...
See what happens this week.
Yet they were completely against welfare... See where our lazy @$$ country is at because of it
bohart

Newport, TN

#3 Jun 26, 2012
Urp wrote:
So as we may or may not see the SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare, I find it interesting the big deal is the constitutionality of the individual mandate.
Seems that goes way back to our Founding Fathers, who not only mandated that Ship Owners buy Medical insurance for sailors, but later that the actual sailors themselves had to buy health insurance individually.
Founding fathers also mandated that every able bodied male purchase a firearm.
So much for the "individual mandate to purchase something argument"
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/102620/in...
See what happens this week.
The U.S. is the only civilized nation on earth that doesn't have a health care mandate for it's citizens. There are also 138 nations around they world that have mandatory paid vactions for their people, the U.S. is not one of them ,again not among the civilized nations anyway. I guess Americans don't need a break from the grist mill.

Since: May 12

Tyler, TX

#4 Jun 26, 2012
More out of context liberal propaganda that would have us to lower our standards and become like "the rest of the world". Give me a frickin break. The founding fathers also believed in limiting the power of the federal government. Either way.....THIS American isn't rolling over.
American

Morristown, TN

#5 Jun 26, 2012
bohart wrote:
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The U.S. is the only civilized nation on earth that doesn't have a health care mandate for it's citizens. There are also 138 nations around they world that have mandatory paid vactions for their people, the U.S. is not one of them ,again not among the civilized nations anyway. I guess Americans don't need a break from the grist mill.
This is AMERICA, not other nations. America is great because it isn't like other nations.

Since: May 12

Tyler, TX

#6 Jun 26, 2012
American wrote:
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This is AMERICA, not other nations. America is great because it isn't like other nations.
What he said!!!!!
2nd Opinion

Morristown, TN

#7 Jun 26, 2012
Urp wrote:
So as we may or may not see the SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare, I find it interesting the big deal is the constitutionality of the individual mandate.
Seems that goes way back to our Founding Fathers, who not only mandated that Ship Owners buy Medical insurance for sailors, but later that the actual sailors themselves had to buy health insurance individually.
Founding fathers also mandated that every able bodied male purchase a firearm.
So much for the "individual mandate to purchase something argument"
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/102620/in...
See what happens this week.
They were within their powers to regulate such on the high seas, but the constitution says that the federal government has only those powers not not held by the states. It does not say it has powers over the states.

Since no state has regulatory powers over the high seas, that mandate easily fell into the balliwick of the federal government.

States can mandate health insurance, or auto insurance, as needs be, and to the will of the people.
many

Johnson City, TN

#9 Jun 26, 2012
LOL
Plain and Simple

United States

#10 Jun 26, 2012
Urp wrote:
So as we may or may not see the SCOTUS ruling on Obamacare, I find it interesting the big deal is the constitutionality of the individual mandate.
Seems that goes way back to our Founding Fathers, who not only mandated that Ship Owners buy Medical insurance for sailors, but later that the actual sailors themselves had to buy health insurance individually.
Founding fathers also mandated that every able bodied male purchase a firearm.
So much for the "individual mandate to purchase something argument"
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/102620/in...
See what happens this week.
You liberals are nothing but socialist trying to destroy America.
Limerick

Morristown, TN

#11 Jun 26, 2012
I wish some state and far from here,
Where liberal hearts do bleed;
Would pass some laws to help folks out -
Those folks who are in need.

Where even if they never work,
Each week they'd still be paid;
Where they'd get free food and housing,
And extra money for babies made.

A paradise for unfortunates -
Free clothes, free doctors, free meds;
How fast from our streets would riff-raff clear,
When all to there have fled.

Morristown might be nice again,
For those who stayed behind;
I wish some state and far from here,
Would do what's right and kind.
Factcheck

United States

#12 Jun 26, 2012
There are 10 Democrats now that are NOT attending the Democrat Convention because Obama is polling badly within their districts. I hope the people of these districts will REMEMBER that these same Democrats are responsible for Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, the Omnibus Spending Bill, & the $887 billion Stimulus along with numerous other job killing and debt increasing policies that did NOTHING to help the average citizen. I think we are about to see a change and we hope the republicans will balance the budget and create jobs here.
bohart

Newport, TN

#13 Jun 26, 2012
American wrote:
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This is AMERICA, not other nations. America is great because it isn't like other nations.
I guess thats why we're 37th in the world in health care and spend twice as much as any other country .
bohart

Newport, TN

#14 Jun 26, 2012
Plain and Simple wrote:
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You liberals are nothing but socialist trying to destroy America.
As the fascist takeover of the U.S. is consolidated people such as you will be looking for the socialist boogieman till the end.

Since: Oct 08

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#15 Jun 26, 2012
bohart wrote:
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The U.S. is the only civilized nation on earth that doesn't have a health care mandate for it's citizens. There are also 138 nations around they world that have mandatory paid vactions for their people, the U.S. is not one of them ,again not among the civilized nations anyway. I guess Americans don't need a break from the grist mill.
Are you saying that in some countries the fact that a person is poor doesn't mean his life is not worth saving? What a novel concept!

I've done a little unscientific polling, and almost all of the people who have told me they are against health care reform are against it because they are afraid they will have to wait longer to see their doctors. One of them is on Medicare, and another is on Disability. The rest have insurance through their employers. I wonder if the opinions of that last group would change if they lost their jobs.

Since: May 12

Tyler, TX

#16 Jun 26, 2012
bohart wrote:
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I guess thats why we're 37th in the world in health care and spend twice as much as any other country .
I'd rather be 37th in healthcare than 37th in freedom. Liberal douchebaggery not withstanding, my country has been the greatest country on earth for 229 years. So take your liberal, socialist agenda and hop a plane for one of the 138 countries who will be sure to come begging for U.S. assistance when their top-ranked healthcare can't defend their bottom-ranked military asses or feed their 3rd world country.

Urp

“A Pigment of Imagination”

Since: Feb 11

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#17 Jun 26, 2012
Ok, so here's the difference,(in my opinion) between the socialist/liberal approach and something that makes sense.

Socialized medicine, no one pays anything, it's all provided by the government. Yeah, isn't going to work. Overall level of healthcare goes down end of day. I think UK has that option as I understand.

They also have private insurance, and you wind up getting much better care.

Where I get confused, is exactly what sort of health care plan is OK with the GOP and conservatives. I keep hearing "market forces" but that's not exactly working very well at them moment either. Is the GOP/Conservatives against the current system where most employers provide as a matter of benefits some health insurance? I've been in the work force for almost 40 years and every US based employer provided some sort of health insurance, or, in the case of the small business guys I worked for, had a group policy you could buy into. Most employers required you paid something, coverage not totally free. Ok this works for me.

Now, the problem is what happens to the folks that are currently unemployed? You can't be telling me the GOP/Conservatives are saying "let em die"

Or are they?

As I understand the individual mandate, everybody has to pay SOMETHING. No one's getting a free ride. As it stands now, people with no insurance get a free ride, and the rest of us are paying for it.
Get real

United States

#18 Jun 27, 2012
No one, that's right no one is without medical care that is against the law. Try spinning your heads off.

Since: May 12

Camden, TN

#19 Jun 27, 2012
Get real wrote:
No one, that's right no one is without medical care that is against the law. Try spinning your heads off.
Not in Tennessee......sir or ma'am. That's no spin. That's the law of the land.

http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/03/...
AFV

United States

#20 Jun 27, 2012
urpo said: Socialized medicine, no one pays anything, it's all provided by the government. Yeah, isn't going to work. Overall level of healthcare goes down end of day. I think UK has that option as I understand.
urpo?
Where does the money come? Fall off trees? You liberal idiots.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#21 Jun 27, 2012
AFV wrote:
urpo said: Socialized medicine, no one pays anything, it's all provided by the government. Yeah, isn't going to work. Overall level of healthcare goes down end of day. I think UK has that option as I understand.
urpo?
Where does the money come? Fall off trees? You liberal idiots.
It would appear that you read Urp's comment as an endorsement of socialized medicine although he clearly said it wouldn't work.

You totally ignored the part where he asked exactly what sort of health care plan is okay with the GOP and conservatives. I would like to know the answer to that one, too. I actually understood what Romney meant when he said he was not worried about the very poor, because they DO have access to basic health care without worrying about losing everything they own. However, there are millions of "working poor" who have jobs that either don't offer insurance or they can't afford the insurance or the insurance has a ridiculous deductible and doesn't pay much even after it is met. When they have a catastrophic or even just a serious illness or accident, they stand to lose everything they have worked hard to attain. There is NO assistance for these people.

Conservatives like to point out that EVERYONE has access to health care, and I suppose that is true if you mean that anyone who shows up at an emergency room has to receive treatment. However, if that person can't pay the bill and has any assets, the health care provider can and will come after them. I have read that most of the bankruptcies in our country are caused by soaring medical bills.

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