Biomass firm files a partial permit a...

Biomass firm files a partial permit application

There are 43 comments on the Bennington Banner story from Oct 29, 2010, titled Biomass firm files a partial permit application. In it, Bennington Banner reports that:

The developer of a proposed biomass plant has filed a partial application for a certificate of public good, a copy of which is available at the town offices for the public to review.

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Glen Ayers

West Townsend, MA

#21 Oct 31, 2010
The Vermont Public Service Board should find that this proposed incinerator is a major threat to public health and the a dangerous contributor to climate change. This is an endangerment finding instead of any sort of "public good". Incinerators are toxic smokestacks, why else do they have to be 300 feet tall? To "disperse" all of that toxic effluent into the upper layers of the air, so that it can slowly kill the wildlife and people downwind. On this planet, we have found out that we are all downwind.

Not only does burning wood emit 50% more CO2 than coal, it also has a direct impact on the ability of the trees that were burned to capture CO2, since they have to grow back for as many years as they are old just to hit the break-even point. Coal is much denser and much higher in energy content that wood chips, so it takes much less to get the same amount of heat.

Burning trees is even worse because when you burn coal, the forest is not cut down and it therefor able to absorb some of that CO2. When we cut down green growing trees to feed to the furnaces, those trees are no longer sucking up CO2. The forest takes about 20 years to recover after heavy logging, then is needs about 20 more years to catch up to where it was before it was cut. We can't have have our forests and eat them too.

But to emit 100% less CO2 that both coal and 'biomass', instead try conservation and increased efficiency. Don't burn anything. Why do Europeans use only half as much energy as Americans? Because we are so wasteful. Europeans have a high standard of living, better health insurance, better life expectancies, more vacation, are happier and less stressed, and use 50% less energy per person.

Biomass is not green, it is not carbon-neutral, and it is not environmentally friendly. It is Green-Washing. It is dirty energy pretending to be clean. It is obsolete technology that should be left behind by innovation. The Boston whale boat captains surely complained about the loss of good jobs as the whales disappeared. No doubt the concentration camp guards were concerned about the end of the holocaust. We need to be able to look ahead to the kind of energy that must replace our current use of fossil fuels that have polluted our atmosphere by fouling the 'sewer in the sky' with smoke and CO2. Incinerators are dead, time to face the facts.

We can't burn our way out of the climate crisis. We can't clean up our air by spewing more toxins into it. We need to change in a big way. Say NO to Biomass. It is a dirty caveman technology. Vermont deserves to lead the nation into the 21st Century, instead of leading us back to the pre-industrial revolution times when our forests were stripped for charcoal, tanbark, and lumber.

Our tax dollars should not be going to dirty biomass incinerators. The Federal Government will find out that if this plant gets a dime of stimulus funding, there will be another Clamshell Alliance uprising, complete with mass arrests, civil disobedience, and never-ending lawsuits. In a democracy, the people can rise up and stop the government from foolishly wasting our tax dollars by giving it to dirty incinerators pretending to be green energy. This whole thing is just a huge subsidy scam and welfare program for the rich. 80 million dollars for some wealthy investors so that they can make billions by polluting our air and accelerating the melting of the polar ice caps. Don't believe their Green-Washing lies!
Thank you Glen Ayers

Bennington, VT

#22 Oct 31, 2010
Thank you! What a wonderful post!
Please be in touch with Williams College and the residents of Pownal whom the majority do not have the resources in this tough economy to respond to this very vital issue.
I myself am up here in Bennington but I feel that as a Southern Vermont property owner, I will be affected by this. I intend to get involved asap and encourage my neighbors also.
Many cultures have been stripped of their forests in desperation to find fuel. We do not have to go down this road. There are alternatives.
NIMBY

Bennington, VT

#23 Oct 31, 2010
Thank you Glen Ayers wrote:
Thank you! What a wonderful post!
Please be in touch with Williams College and the residents of Pownal whom the majority do not have the resources in this tough economy to respond to this very vital issue.
I myself am up here in Bennington but I feel that as a Southern Vermont property owner, I will be affected by this. I intend to get involved asap and encourage my neighbors also.
Many cultures have been stripped of their forests in desperation to find fuel. We do not have to go down this road. There are alternatives.
Yes, thanks Glen for all that wonderful, DEBUNKED "information."

NIMBY lies never end.
To Nimby

Bennington, VT

#24 Oct 31, 2010
Please explain further your "DEBUNKED"informatio n" sources.
NIMBY is not the issue here. The impacts are on a much larger scale than the original interpretation of that.
NIMBY is "not in my back yard". This is much more far reaching than any one back yard.
Try taking this Biomass project to a far more wealthier community and see the reaction.
Thank goodness Williams College and Williamstown is now in the picture to protect the interests of this rural poor town. And now property owners one town up in Bennington.
NIMBY

Bennington, VT

#25 Oct 31, 2010
To Nimby wrote:
Please explain further your "DEBUNKED"informatio n" sources.
NIMBY is not the issue here. The impacts are on a much larger scale than the original interpretation of that.
NIMBY is "not in my back yard". This is much more far reaching than any one back yard.
Try taking this Biomass project to a far more wealthier community and see the reaction.
Thank goodness Williams College and Williamstown is now in the picture to protect the interests of this rural poor town. And now property owners one town up in Bennington.
They're quoting the Manomet study when they say biomass is worse than coal. That study was misquoted by the media, but still the people who enjoy spreading misinformation keep repeating the lies.

The presentation at the college was neutral. I think the NIMBY crowd is going to be sorely disappointed, especially when the state, which won't be swayed by bogus info, gives it the thumbs up.

Sorry Pownal NIMBYs, better move (back) to Massachusetts!
GrnMtnBoy

Roy, WA

#26 Nov 1, 2010
Fair Share wrote:
80 million dollars of TAXPAYER money if Beaver can get three signatures. Then they can build a polluting, forest destroying biomass incinerator. No wonder they haven't posted their PARTIAL application for a certificate of public good online.
You can't destroy forests, they grow back. It's a renewable resource. Harvest it, it grows back.
GrnMtnBoy

Roy, WA

#27 Nov 1, 2010
Thank you Glen Ayers wrote:
Thank you! What a wonderful post!
Please be in touch with Williams College and the residents of Pownal whom the majority do not have the resources in this tough economy to respond to this very vital issue.
I myself am up here in Bennington but I feel that as a Southern Vermont property owner, I will be affected by this. I intend to get involved asap and encourage my neighbors also.
Many cultures have been stripped of their forests in desperation to find fuel. We do not have to go down this road. There are alternatives.
The forests are going to be "stripped". Geeshus another one. Do some freaking research.

Wood fiber going to a wood fired co-generation plant is pulpwood/firewood grade. Junk trees that don't make the grade for sawlogs. Upper limbs. Not exactly a big money maker. Call up some one in the business and ask if he's driving a caddy.
Clearcutting

South Hadley, MA

#28 Nov 1, 2010

Since: Oct 10

Bennington, VT

#29 Nov 1, 2010
Thank you Glen Ayers wrote:
Thank you! What a wonderful post!
Please be in touch with Williams College and the residents of Pownal whom the majority do not have the resources in this tough economy to respond to this very vital issue.
I myself am up here in Bennington but I feel that as a Southern Vermont property owner, I will be affected by this. I intend to get involved asap and encourage my neighbors also.
Many cultures have been stripped of their forests in desperation to find fuel. We do not have to go down this road. There are alternatives.
I hope this helps: to contact the concerned citizens of Pownal: email [email protected] ail.com there is also a facebook page Southern Vermont Against Biomass
another great information source: http://www.williams.edu/resources/sustainabil...
this one is especially enlightening: http://blogs.williams.edu/sustainability/file ...
GrnMtnBoy

Arlington, VT

#30 Nov 1, 2010
Clearcutting wrote:
In the northeast we don't have the soil erosion problems as out west. Slopes aren't as steep, different type of soil.

We don't have the forest fire potential as out west, different type of wood / fuels.

Regeneration is usually a mix of species of eventually good quality. Especially if managed.

Any hunter will tell you - it's great for wildlife
weather

Westfield, MA

#31 Nov 1, 2010
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't destroy forests, they grow back. It's a renewable resource. Harvest it, it grows back.
Yep sure it does, it will be back to the same state 80 years later.

Trees dont spring up instantly.

As far as "dirtier than coal", look at the EPA report on McNeil, and for that matter the NH plant. They are the NUMBER ONE AND TWO polluters of all power plants in the states. And thats based on date the site operators provided to the EPA, not vapor. Doesnt take rocket science to figure out they are dirtier, the proof is in the figures. Ill bet they reported the minimum possible too. Forget this crap, build a 24 MWH solar plant with the money instead with the money like ConEdison is doing in NJ. No way a biomass plant can compare with thin film new tech solar.
weather

Westfield, MA

#32 Nov 1, 2010
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
<quoted text>
Regeneration is usually a mix of species of eventually good quality. Especially if managed.
Any hunter will tell you - it's great for wildlife
It sure is, deer and moose just LOVE the hardwoods and eat the saplings Its great for them, but takes decades to get back to the state it was in prior. Not to mention the issues with compaction of the soil, and the killing of the CO2 eating organisms there. But hey most foresters have no clue about any of that.
GrnMtnBoy

Roy, WA

#33 Nov 1, 2010
weather wrote:
<quoted text>
It sure is, deer and moose just LOVE the hardwoods and eat the saplings Its great for them, but takes decades to get back to the state it was in prior. Not to mention the issues with compaction of the soil, and the killing of the CO2 eating organisms there. But hey most foresters have no clue about any of that.
Wrong again there weather...don't know weather you're coming or going. Spoken like a true tree hugger. Is your house made of dung? Or wood?

Yes it does take decades for a forest to mature. But in the mean time it's feeding animals. An overmature forest has very few animals species. Why? No browse. No berries. Few nut trees. I've spent quite a bit of time in one. You?

Soil compaction? For a short period of time. You walking through the forest compacts the soil. Deer, moose are even worse.
Al Gore

Ashburn, VA

#34 Nov 2, 2010
This is one of those movements that the state is going to approve no matter what. Doesnt look like there is much the people can do.
Kevin Hoyt

Bennington, VT

#35 Nov 2, 2010
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
<quoted text>
The forests are going to be "stripped". Geeshus another one. Do some freaking research.
Wood fiber going to a wood fired co-generation plant is pulpwood/firewood grade. Junk trees that don't make the grade for sawlogs. Upper limbs. Not exactly a big money maker. Call up some one in the business and ask if he's driving a caddy.
25 acre clear cuts are far from being "stripped"... our wildlife and our forests need logging. The people screaming about polutants are doing the same thing, using old biomass plants and disasters as examples when in fact THIS plant in Pownal will be the cleanest and most enviromental friendly plant in the World! Nothing is perfect (especially energy sources), but if we want to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and find alternative energy we have to pick something - and biomass is it!
Kevin Hoyt

Bennington, VT

#36 Nov 2, 2010
weather wrote:
<quoted text>
It sure is, deer and moose just LOVE the hardwoods and eat the saplings Its great for them, but takes decades to get back to the state it was in prior. Not to mention the issues with compaction of the soil, and the killing of the CO2 eating organisms there. But hey most foresters have no clue about any of that.
It take less than a year for new growth to occur in logged areas - ask any hunter is right... when you visit areas like Glaustonbury or Kellystand, where is the ONLY place you see an abundance of wildlife? In the clear cuts!Most wildlife needs a diversity of growth to flourish and Vermont needs more logging.
JDP05261

Bennington, VT

#37 Nov 2, 2010
LOOK People It will get locals jobs that are not out there right now. AND help everyone when Vermont Yankee is CLOSED unless you all want to pay more for you POWER...
sorry JDP

Bennington, VT

#38 Nov 2, 2010
JDP05261 wrote:
LOOK People It will get locals jobs that are not out there right now. AND help everyone when Vermont Yankee is CLOSED unless you all want to pay more for you POWER...
There ARE jobs out there for people. Some people need to get off their a**es and do something for themselves too. I'm sick of the FEW people that think the hand of god came down and offered this to Pownal. If you can't find a job in three years (when this crap is expected to open) then you have bigger problems.

You have enough time to get an associates degree before this thing opens. noooo.. wouldn't want to do that!

This is a piece of shi T company that we don't want (born and raised here 40+ years).

Pollution and the sickness caused by it will not be in the future for Pownal. T-minus 10 seconds seconds before TruthTellerT comes out with his liar liar pants on fire statement proving nothing again.
GrnMtnBoy

Roy, WA

#39 Nov 3, 2010
sorry JDP wrote:
<quoted text>
There ARE jobs out there for people. Some people need to get off their **** es and do something for themselves too. I'm sick of the FEW people that think the hand of god came down and offered this to Pownal. If you can't find a job in three years (when this **** is expected to open) then you have bigger problems.
You have enough time to get an associates degree before this thing opens. noooo.. wouldn't want to do that!
This is a piece of shi T company that we don't want (born and raised here 40+ years).
Pollution and the sickness caused by it will not be in the future for Pownal. T-minus 10 seconds seconds before TruthTellerT comes out with his liar liar pants on fire statement proving nothing again.
Sorry, sorry. There are very few jobs out there that pay. Look in DUH banner. Go to DUH state's job service. Check out what there is. Not much and not much money.

Pollution and sickness....... it's cleaner than your neighbor's woodstove.
Proved his or her point

Adams, MA

#40 Nov 3, 2010
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, sorry. There are very few jobs out there that pay. Look in DUH banner. Go to DUH state's job service. Check out what there is. Not much and not much money.
Pollution and sickness....... it's cleaner than your neighbor's woodstove.
Looking in the Banner for jobs? AKA COME TO ME. Lazy LAzy LAZy LAZY.

Get off your butts and go knocking on doors.

No, I'll wait for 2 years on unemployment before this place is even scheduled to be operational. Because? Why? Because I MAY land one of 50 (never going to be 50) jobs.

If you are searching the Banner for jobs, then I think your qualifications are pretty low already. Probably still using a typewriter, too.

Guess what, you won't be hired anyway.

If you think for a SECOND that the guy shoveling pellets into a bag will be making $30k plus, you are dead wrong.

So sit around and wait, and cry about not having a job. Or, get out there and show some enthusiasm. You might get hired by someone. Truth is, you probably don't want to.

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