Single-payer option in Vt.? Experts t...

Single-payer option in Vt.? Experts to discuss possibility

There are 50 comments on the Brattleboro Reformer story from Dec 7, 2010, titled Single-payer option in Vt.? Experts to discuss possibility. In it, Brattleboro Reformer reports that:

Vermont could become a national model for advancing health care reform, said Richard Davis, a local health care advocate.

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Anywhere

New York, NY

#22 Dec 28, 2010
Local wrote:
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I assume you meant to say 'specifics'. It's easy, the first few things to do: cut out the insurance companies and their astronomical profit margin (I want affordable health care, not health insurance); get rid of the preferential treatment of the pharmaceutical companies (like the legislation where the federal gov't was BARRED from seeking group discount rates); get a handle on overcharges for hospital stays, testing, etc..
This is not rocket science. It's the corporate profit-taking that's the problem. We can afford to pay health care providers well, it's all the layers of profit that cause the high costs.
When has a governement run program been cheaper and more effective than a private one. Medicare has the highest denial rate and they are still broke and pay millions for fraudlent care. Does Medicaid pay doctors faster than private insurance - I doubt it.
So which of the 36 countries you believe gives us better healthcare than the US are you going to when you get sick? Funny, no one has an answer for that one.
amolison

Fort Collins, CO

#23 Dec 29, 2010
I wonder where you are getting that "fact" from - see Medicare statement below. I've been on Medicare for 7 years, my husband for 10 - and I've NEVER BEEN DENIED - and nor has anyone I know. It is a very good system. So - consider checking your statements before you post.
Anywhere wrote:
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When has a governement run program been cheaper and more effective than a private one. Medicare has the highest denial rate and they are still broke and pay millions for fraudlent care. Does Medicaid pay doctors faster than private insurance - I doubt it.
So which of the 36 countries you believe gives us better healthcare than the US are you going to when you get sick? Funny, no one has an answer for that one.

Since: Dec 10

Ron Paul 2012

#24 Dec 29, 2010
amolison wrote:
I wonder where you are getting that "fact" from - see Medicare statement below. I've been on Medicare for 7 years, my husband for 10 - and I've NEVER BEEN DENIED - and nor has anyone I know. It is a very good system. So - consider checking your statements before you post.
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Lets say including your husband and yourself, then add in I'll say you have 30 friends on Medicare, thats 32 people. Now how many people are on Medicare in this country? That means between you and your friends you made up .000075%+/- of the population on Medicare (in 2006). Do you think it is maybe in the realm of possiblility that this is why you have never been denied nor seen anyone get denied? There is abundant fraud in Medicare and denial is a huge gripe with people that are on it, you know the other 99.999925%+/-. Don't tell someone to fact check if all you have is personal experience.
Taxman

Brattleboro, VT

#25 Dec 29, 2010
Vermont is already one of the highest taxed states per capita so my question is ...where do we get the money to pay for a single payer system which has to be more expensive?

Since: Dec 10

Ron Paul 2012

#26 Dec 29, 2010
"If you drive a car, I'll tax the street.
If you drive to city, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat.
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet. TAXMAN!"-George Harrison
Taxman

Brattleboro, VT

#27 Dec 29, 2010
Aaron Kent wrote:
"If you drive a car, I'll tax the street.
If you drive to city, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat.
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet. TAXMAN!"-George Harrison
Thumbs up to you Aaron!!
estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#28 Dec 29, 2010
amolison wrote:
I wonder where you are getting that "fact" from - see Medicare statement below. I've been on Medicare for 7 years, my husband for 10 - and I've NEVER BEEN DENIED - and nor has anyone I know. It is a very good system. So - consider checking your statements before you post.
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dont forget...
Obamacare is supposed to be paid for in large part by savings from reducing the rampant fraud and mismanangement of medicare...
I believe its a well established fact that medicare is bloated!
Scott

Newton Center, MA

#29 Dec 29, 2010
Even better than his 'Taxman'- great lyrics by George Harrison from his last album 'Brainwashed', he's referring to what sheeple of both sides of the Left Right Paradigm let happen to themselves-->

Brainwashed in our childhood
Brainwashed by the school
Brainwashed by our teachers
and brainwashed by their rules

Brainwashed by our leaders <--stop following them!
By our Kings and Queens
Brainwashed in the open and brainwashed
behind the scenes <----

Brainwashed by the Nikkei
Brainwashed by Dow Jones
Brainwashed by the FTSE
Nasdaq and secure loans
Brainwashed us from Brussels
Brainwashing us in Bonn
Brainwashing us in Washington
Westminster in London

(he forget the non-federal 'Federal' Reserve scam that the few good ones like Ron Paul want to do away with)

Brainwashed by the Military <---CFR controlled
Brainwashed under duress <--- like with 9/11
Brainwashed by the media <---- CFR controlled
You're brainwashed by the press
Brainwashed by computer <----except infowars.com
Brainwashed by mobile phones
Brainwashed by the satellite
Brainwashed to the bone

God God God
Won't you lead us through this mess
God God God
From the places of concrete
God God God
Nothing's worse than ignorance <---
God God God
I just won't accept defeat

Vermont has VHAP, and that's socialist enough, we don't need the federal govt. buttin in and they can't force anyone to pay anything toward a national 'healthcare' plan anyhow. The Supreme Court will have to agree with the judge who said that. Speakin of righteous judges, here's another (ex-judge) who agrees...

Judge Andrew Napalitano: ObamaCare is unconstitutional-> http://www.infowars.com/judge-napolitano-on-a...

Obamacare: It’s About Enriching Bankers and Wall Street ->
http://www.infowars.com/obamacare-its-about-e...
Anywhere

New York, NY

#30 Dec 30, 2010
amolison wrote:
I wonder where you are getting that "fact" from - see Medicare statement below. I've been on Medicare for 7 years, my husband for 10 - and I've NEVER BEEN DENIED - and nor has anyone I know. It is a very good system. So - consider checking your statements before you post.
<quoted text>
According to the American Medical Association’s National Health Insurer Report Card for 2008, the government’s health plan, Medicare, denied medical claims at nearly double the average for private insurers: Medicare denied 6.85% of claims. The highest private insurance denier was Aetna @ 6.8%, followed by Anthem Blue Cross @ 3.44, with an average denial rate of medical claims by private insurers of 3.88%

In its 2009 National Health Insurer Report Card, the AMA reports that Medicare denied only 4% of claims—a big improvement, but outpaced better still by the private insurers. The prior year’s high private denier, Aetna, reduced denials to 1.81%—an astounding 75% improvement—with similar declines by all other private insurers, to average only 2.79%.
Merry Crispness

Brattleboro, VT

#31 Dec 30, 2010
Taxman wrote:
Vermont is already one of the highest taxed states per capita so my question is ...where do we get the money to pay for a single payer system which has to be more expensive?
You take false premises and build a faulty argument upon them.

Your premise comes not from facts (except for cherry-picked stats interpreted for your tax-crybaby ideology).

And the savings come from replacing a multitude of private insurance company bureaucracies with a single government bureaucracy; from putting our health dollars toward health care instead of multi-million-dollar CEO compensation packages, advertising, samples, profit margins, and other waste and abuse in the private health insurance industry. It also comes from investigating fraud.

You tax cry-babies focus on the fact that single-payer health insurance is paid for through taxes, as if that were a fate worse than death. What you choose to ignore is that the total bill goes down after we eliminate all the stuff I just mentioned.

Want proof? Canadians think (or know) that we're total idiots for not wanting affordable health care.

Oh, and before you do it, spare me the made-up horror stories about Canadians coming to the US for surgery. It just shows that those who choose to pay for procedures can still do it with single payer health care. And I know more people who go abroad for dental & medical work because it's affordable there and not here.
estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#32 Dec 30, 2010
Merry Crispness wrote:
<quoted text>
You take false premises and build a faulty argument upon them.
Your premise comes not from facts (except for cherry-picked stats interpreted for your tax-crybaby ideology).
And the savings come from replacing a multitude of private insurance company bureaucracies with a single government bureaucracy; from putting our health dollars toward health care instead of multi-million-dollar CEO compensation packages, advertising, samples, profit margins, and other waste and abuse in the private health insurance industry. It also comes from investigating fraud.
You tax cry-babies focus on the fact that single-payer health insurance is paid for through taxes, as if that were a fate worse than death. What you choose to ignore is that the total bill goes down after we eliminate all the stuff I just mentioned.
Want proof? Canadians think (or know) that we're total idiots for not wanting affordable health care.
Oh, and before you do it, spare me the made-up horror stories about Canadians coming to the US for surgery. It just shows that those who choose to pay for procedures can still do it with single payer health care. And I know more people who go abroad for dental & medical work because it's affordable there and not here.
way to ignore the obvious facts and to suggest none of your own...

also, if we have a canadian system, WHERE WOULD YOU GO TO BUY THE CARE???
That you understand canadians come here yet persist is crazy!

That you responded to facts showing the current single payor system (medicare) is less efficient than businesses and nonetheless state the opposite with no support at all make you a blowhard and nothing more...

but thanks for squeeking in one post this year that did not say teabagger or faux...
Moses

Brattleboro, VT

#33 Dec 30, 2010
Merry Crispness wrote:
<quoted text>
You take false premises and build a faulty argument upon them.
Your premise comes not from facts (except for cherry-picked stats interpreted for your tax-crybaby ideology).
And the savings come from replacing a multitude of private insurance company bureaucracies with a single government bureaucracy; from putting our health dollars toward health care instead of multi-million-dollar CEO compensation packages, advertising, samples, profit margins, and other waste and abuse in the private health insurance industry. It also comes from investigating fraud.
You tax cry-babies focus on the fact that single-payer health insurance is paid for through taxes, as if that were a fate worse than death. What you choose to ignore is that the total bill goes down after we eliminate all the stuff I just mentioned.
Want proof? Canadians think (or know) that we're total idiots for not wanting affordable health care.
Oh, and before you do it, spare me the made-up horror stories about Canadians coming to the US for surgery. It just shows that those who choose to pay for procedures can still do it with single payer health care. And I know more people who go abroad for dental & medical work because it's affordable there and not here.
280 million people in this country have health insurance. According to Gallup 80% of them rate their insurance as "good to excellent". Why do we need to change a very successful system for the single payer you suggest?

You have no proof that it will in fact be better or cheaper. All of your claims are speculative while we know exactly how good our present system for health care insurance is.

As for the Canadians...since you already know that they come here in droves to get better treatment I won't belabor that issue...but I will say that they know nothing different than what they have and for all the free loaders in Canada they consider it "free". In reality it isn't free, it is not better and their opinions are irrelevant because they don't even know how much better it is in the US. Well, except for all the rich people who come here, and buy private health insurance here, because they know that health care is better in the US. They don't come here because it is cheaper. They come because it is better.

Since: Dec 10

Ron Paul 2012

#34 Dec 30, 2010
Merry Crispness wrote:
<quoted text>
And the savings come from replacing a multitude of private insurance company bureaucracies with a single government bureaucracy; from putting our health dollars toward health care instead of multi-million-dollar CEO compensation packages, advertising, samples, profit margins, and other waste and abuse in the private health insurance industry. It also comes from investigating fraud.
Trading 5 failing bureaucracy for one failing bureaucracy is still failing policy Merry. The list of problems with private health insurers will not change if the Fed Gov't runs the show either, it will just look slightly different and the Fed Gov't is FULL of waste and abused funding. Also a couple million dollars(CEO benefit packages) is just a flash in the pan compared to the multi-trillion dollar price tag on Health Care. Drug companies will still be advertising and offering samples, all the while making a profit margin. They already are investigating fraud in both Medicare/Medicade and private industry, there always will be fraud no matter who runs it.
Merry Crispness wrote:
<quoted text>
Want proof? Canadians think (or know) that we're total idiots for not wanting affordable health care.
Thats not proof of anything, I'm sorry.
I am not against health care reform, cost do need to be controlled to make health care more affordable. I just do not sincerely think the Fed Gov't will be able to do this, ever.
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#35 Dec 31, 2010
Merry wrote:Want proof? Canadians think (or know) that we're total idiots for not wanting affordable health care.

Well I have family, friends that are Canadian and they keep warning us to fight the Obamacare (clintoncare)/Healthcare as it is not working there and is in deep financial trouble. I would be more inclined to believe the people living there and using the system than any media spin. You need to do some research and look at all the problems there are with "natiional healthcare" in other countries, espically their financial problems and waiting list.

You mention U.S. citizens going to other countries for "cheaper" care. How many are there? Do you know any? How about some facts/data to back up that claim? Would be interesting to know. How about comparing those figures with the number of people that come to the U.S. for medical care they can not get or would have to wait for in their own country.
moses

Dover, NH

#36 Dec 31, 2010
Concerned wrote:
Merry wrote:Want proof? Canadians think (or know) that we're total idiots for not wanting affordable health care.
Well I have family, friends that are Canadian and they keep warning us to fight the Obamacare (clintoncare)/Healthcare as it is not working there and is in deep financial trouble. I would be more inclined to believe the people living there and using the system than any media spin. You need to do some research and look at all the problems there are with "natiional healthcare" in other countries, espically their financial problems and waiting list.
You mention U.S. citizens going to other countries for "cheaper" care. How many are there? Do you know any? How about some facts/data to back up that claim? Would be interesting to know. How about comparing those figures with the number of people that come to the U.S. for medical care they can not get or would have to wait for in their own country.
You can have a root canal done cheaper in the Dominican Republic but would you want to do it. Only dental patients are doing this. Maybe if they don't have any insurance they would want to do it. How about a hip replacement? Would you want to go to some other country to do that? I dont' think so. I think he is a liar.
moses

Dover, NH

#37 Dec 31, 2010
Merry Crispness wrote:
<quoted text>
You take false premises and build a faulty argument upon them.
Your premise comes not from facts (except for cherry-picked stats interpreted for your tax-crybaby ideology).
And the savings come from replacing a multitude of private insurance company bureaucracies with a single government bureaucracy; from putting our health dollars toward health care instead of multi-million-dollar CEO compensation packages, advertising, samples, profit margins, and other waste and abuse in the private health insurance industry. It also comes from investigating fraud.
You tax cry-babies focus on the fact that single-payer health insurance is paid for through taxes, as if that were a fate worse than death. What you choose to ignore is that the total bill goes down after we eliminate all the stuff I just mentioned.
Want proof? Canadians think (or know) that we're total idiots for not wanting affordable health care.
Oh, and before you do it, spare me the made-up horror stories about Canadians coming to the US for surgery. It just shows that those who choose to pay for procedures can still do it with single payer health care. And I know more people who go abroad for dental & medical work because it's affordable there and not here.
There is no false premise here. Vermont is one of the highest taxes states per capita in the country. Actually if you figure in the amount of disposable income we have we are by far the highest taxed per capita.

The democrats in this state have been waging war on the middle class for a the last 20 years.
estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#38 Jan 3, 2011
Concerned wrote:
You mention U.S. citizens going to other countries for "cheaper" care. How many are there? Do you know any? How about some facts/data to back up that claim? Would be interesting to know. How about comparing those figures with the number of people that come to the U.S. for medical care they can not get or would have to wait for in their own country.
she's got a totally unbiased Michael Moore film...
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#39 Jan 3, 2011
And so it begins:
“ObamaCare causes union to drop 6,000 children's health insurance coverage”
http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/2010/1...

SEIU dropping coverage on its "low wage earners"
estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#40 Jan 3, 2011
Concerned wrote:
And so it begins:
“ObamaCare causes union to drop 6,000 children's health insurance coverage”
http://www.laborunionreport.com/portal/2010/1...
SEIU dropping coverage on its "low wage earners"
nah, its not a government takeover...
everyone will have the same coverage they had if they want...

wait, you mean we still may have to pay something for our own care?
wait, care is really expensive?
try reading

Brattleboro, VT

#41 Jan 4, 2011
Here you will find the truth about question on the medical insurance plan.

http://politifact.com/

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