LETTERS: For a moratorium on biomass

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The State of Vermont's Biomass Energy Working Group, which has set out to "analyze current issues in the biomass industry in order to develop a coherent body of recommendations" for the Legislature, has issued its 2011 Interim Report.
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harvey carter

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Dec 9, 2010
 
Using terms like "forest incinerator" serves no purpose in a rational debate about our energy consumption. Or, maybe it does.So i guess the way we get most of our power now should be called MOUNTAIN INCINERATION. Guess what happens to the trees before they blow the top of a mountain for coal? The coal companies cut them, utilizing only the most valuable fiber. The rest is pushed into the streams and valleys with the other "overburden". This includes the topsoil,leaving very little chance for any natural reproduction to occur. Is this really better than responsible use of our forest resources to provide us with the electricity we all use everyday. Oh yeah, for us it is, because its somebody else's headache. I'm quite certain a lot of people in appalachia would disagree with us . But here in VT we are coming up with a new theory, "think locally,pollute globally" Sounds kinda selfish, doesn't it?
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Dec 9, 2010
 
harvey carter wrote:
Using terms like "forest incinerator" serves no purpose in a rational debate about our energy consumption. Or, maybe it does.So i guess the way we get most of our power now should be called MOUNTAIN INCINERATION. Guess what happens to the trees before they blow the top of a mountain for coal? The coal companies cut them, utilizing only the most valuable fiber. The rest is pushed into the streams and valleys with the other "overburden". This includes the topsoil,leaving very little chance for any natural reproduction to occur. Is this really better than responsible use of our forest resources to provide us with the electricity we all use everyday. Oh yeah, for us it is, because its somebody else's headache. I'm quite certain a lot of people in appalachia would disagree with us . But here in VT we are coming up with a new theory, "think locally,pollute globally" Sounds kinda selfish, doesn't it?
Soon we won't have to listen to this snooze material.

Big news coming.

Good news for those that don't want this garbage in their town for a tiny 2% of electricity back into the grid. But MILLIONS in the pockets of the owners.

Well, was going to be millions.
harvey carter

Saint Albans, VT

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Dec 9, 2010
 
get ready wrote:
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Soon we won't have to listen to this snooze material.
Big news coming.
Good news for those that don't want this garbage in their town for a tiny 2% of electricity back into the grid. But MILLIONS in the pockets of the owners.
Well, was going to be millions.
What are your alternatives to whats going on with our current energy situation? While we may disagree on many things, I am sure we both want whats best for the planet. Not real crazy about having my nice quiet playground across the street disturbed either. But this really is not about me ,or what i want is it? Its about whats best for the town , and ultimately, the planet. Do you even know where 21 Cash place is? And what are your solutions to the mess we are in? Or is it really all just about you?
PlantManager

Bennington, VT

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Dec 9, 2010
 
Alternatives? Easy! Use less electricity!
harvey carter

Saint Albans, VT

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Dec 9, 2010
 
PlantManager wrote:
Alternatives? Easy! Use less electricity!
But still get it from coal and nukes? or just go back to candles, give up our electronics,pump our water by hand? Isn't that a bit unrealistic in this day and age?
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Bennington, VT

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Dec 9, 2010
 
harvey carter wrote:
<quoted text> But still get it from coal and nukes? or just go back to candles, give up our electronics,pump our water by hand? Isn't that a bit unrealistic in this day and age?
2% back into the grid is really not worth the hype. I'm going to research if that's true, and if it is, I have a couple calls to make.

Harvey, nice fake name.
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Bennington, VT

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Dec 9, 2010
 
More drivel from Schlushberger. I wonder what oil company is paying him and Matera? Or are they both radical, hippy tree huggers who are living in a fantasy land next to hobits? Either way, they're grade B liars, but the Pownal NIMBY's lap it up.
harvey carter

Saint Albans, VT

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Dec 9, 2010
 
has a point wrote:
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2% back into the grid is really not worth the hype. I'm going to research if that's true, and if it is, I have a couple calls to make.
Harvey, nice fake name.
2 percent times fifty still equals one hundred percent. Have to start somewhere.No hype here, just voicing my opinion.Thought it might be good for all the consumers out there to here from someone who actually produces something once in awhile.I guess its hard to communicate with people who can't see past there own selfish interests,but i think its important to hear all sides of this debate.No fake name, as i have no hidden agendas,unlike most others on this thread.Good luck with the phone calls,hope they are informative.
harvey carter

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Dec 9, 2010
 
NIMBY wrote:
More drivel from Schlushberger. I wonder what oil company is paying him and Matera? Or are they both radical, hippy tree huggers who are living in a fantasy land next to hobits? Either way, they're grade B liars, but the Pownal NIMBY's lap it up.
Don't know who is paying them, or if they are just really out of touch with where the stuff they use everyday comes from.The worst thing the anti biomass folks did was get in bed with them.It shows a total lack of respect for the forest products industry,a big part of vermonts rural heritage,I have a feeling it is a big mistake,for it helps them very little,at the same time harming many of their neighbors.Shows they will step on anybody to get their way. Sad, not the town i remember growing up in.
Plant Manager

South Burlington, VT

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Dec 10, 2010
 
get ready wrote:
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Soon we won't have to listen to this snooze material.
Big news coming.
Good news for those that don't want this garbage in their town for a tiny 2% of electricity back into the grid. But MILLIONS in the pockets of the owners.
Well, was going to be millions.
Tell the truth: What you really want is more DIRTY coal and oil fired plants -- as long as they are not in your backyard. That way you live nice, and someone else pays for you need to use electricity.
Plant Manager

South Burlington, VT

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Dec 10, 2010
 
has a point wrote:
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2% back into the grid is really not worth the hype. I'm going to research if that's true, and if it is, I have a couple calls to make.
Harvey, nice fake name.
What we really need is a national plan to collect the names of people who don't new power plants -- and when we have to start having controlled blackouts -- to make up for the lack of new plants -- we can turn their power off first and longest.
The Real Plant Manager

South Burlington, VT

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Dec 10, 2010
 
PlantManager wrote:
Alternatives? Easy! Use less electricity!
One real alternative is to collect the names of people like this character -- and when we need to cut power -- we turn theirs off first and keep it off until they learn how to live without it. Then we will need fewer plants.
harvey carter

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Dec 10, 2010
 
" The beaver plant will commandeer 585,000 pounds of wood". Really? Come on man, any body who knows anything about the wood business will tell you that wood is purchased from willing land owners, not stolen by a bunch of pirates, as your statement implies.
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Dec 10, 2010
 
We don't need is a study TO STUDY the studies of studies.

What we do need is to start making our own power. Screw Hydro Quebec which is waiting to screw us. Screw the imported coal fired plant down in mASS and elsewhere, which is far dirtier that a wood fired plant. Especially when extraction and transportation costs are factored in.

Coal fired high mercury producing plants across the country are being refitted to burn WOOD. A RENEWABLE resource. Do we need a study to figure out why?

This plant maybe "only producing 2%" of the grids power, but add 4 more and you've got 10%.

Reduce power use? We've gone through this, what 3 times now? Meanwhile the population goes up. More people = more power, no matter how you calculate it. If NIMBY's stop having kids...maybe that would solve the problem of the need for more power.
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Dec 10, 2010
 
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
....If NIMBY's stop having kids...maybe that would solve the problem of the need for more power.
Not if the non-NIMBY power gluttons keep reproducing like rats.
harvey carter

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Dec 10, 2010
 
NIMBYrific wrote:
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Not if the non-NIMBY power gluttons keep reproducing like rats.
Too bad you all can't have a rational discussion on the issues.If aristocrat Shumlin keeps his promise to closeVY, how are we going to pick up the slack?I would be willing to compare my electric bill with yours , then we can see who the real power glutton is . Any takers out there ?
PlantManager

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Dec 10, 2010
 
Prove it! Show your numbers!
LSU

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Dec 10, 2010
 
PlantManager wrote:
Prove it! Show your numbers!
10 inches of pure thick solid Stevie blackomass is what everyone woman needs!
Plant Manager

South Burlington, VT

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Dec 10, 2010
 
harvey carter wrote:
<quoted text> Too bad you all can't have a rational discussion on the issues.If aristocrat Shumlin keeps his promise to closeVY, how are we going to pick up the slack?I would be willing to compare my electric bill with yours , then we can see who the real power glutton is . Any takers out there ?
Not hard. VY only provides Vermont with around 160MW. The rest goes out of state.
Plant Manager

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Dec 10, 2010
 
LSU wrote:
<quoted text>10 inches of pure thick solid Stevie blackomass is what everyone woman needs!
Move along jerkwagen. this is an adult discussion and children aren't needed to supply nonsense.

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