UPDATE - Bill to ban plastic bags criticized

A nationwide consumer protection agency is criticizing a Vermont House bill that aims to ban retailers from providing consumers with plastic bags. Full Story
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I see stupid people

Arlington, VT

#1 Jan 18, 2011
"Fifty-six percent of Americans are not "at all aware" that reusable grocery bags may contain lead and bacteria, according to a poll commissioned by the group through the Opinion Research Corporation"

Doesn't that say it all?
big randy dandy woo haa

Astoria, NY

#3 Jan 18, 2011
Ban the effing things! I support it. Anything to piss off the corporate monkeys is a plus in my book. I'm sure there is an alternative to the reusable bag too. How about hemp? haha. After all we are the green mountain state. I hope this passes!
This Vermonter

Auburn, ME

#4 Jan 18, 2011
Why allow China to have all the fun?
Sun Chips come in a biodegradable plastic bag. Why not encourage a start up industry in Vermont and take care of this issue the American way?

“Congrats to Green Bay”

Since: Jun 08

Pittsburgh, Pa

#5 Jan 18, 2011
Damn, and I use those bags as beer coolers at
the beach... Does this mean I'm only going to
live to 97 instead of 100?????

Okay folks, you heard these people, don't use
them to prepare casserole's in the microwave or
as a fancy baby transport device....

Come to think of it, we have a bunch of those damn things we use at the grocery store, but they bag
the groceries in plastic and we then put those bags in the carry bags.... Oh shetz, it's true, I really am going to hell!!!!!!
This Vermonter

Auburn, ME

#6 Jan 18, 2011
I reuse my plastic bags, including shopping and bread bags to pick up after my dog while on walks. It makes for good neighbors.
TruthTeller

Keene, NH

#7 Jan 19, 2011
If one main value of this law is to teach kids how bills are made, then we are in deeper trouble then we know - since it is telling us that teachers can't teach, and kids can't lean without doing -- what generations use to learn in the classroom. Its also shows us some local elected officials who are pandering.
Anywhere

Canada

#9 Jan 19, 2011
I use my plastic bags - they are great for those little trash cans in your bedroon and bathroom. I used them to pick up after my dog. I'm not sure why this is an issue.
Riggs

Brewster, MA

#10 Jan 19, 2011
What about all of the cat owners who reuse plastic bags to clean litter boxes?
Christie Ley

Brewster, MA

#11 Jan 19, 2011
These people who are against the banning of plastic bags need to wake up and smell the garbage. There is too much waste in this country, and we need to take steps to cut back. This is a way that everyone can contribute to the cause and feel good about it.
How much money is going into the pockets of these anti ban people from plastic bag producing companies who feel threatened by the ban. Shame on them, they are not thinking about the welfare of future generations who will have to live with what we leave behind.

Since: Dec 10

Ron Paul 2012

#12 Jan 19, 2011
Christie Ley wrote:
These people who are against the banning of plastic bags need to wake up and smell the garbage. There is too much waste in this country, and we need to take steps to cut back. This is a way that everyone can contribute to the cause and feel good about it.
How much money is going into the pockets of these anti ban people from plastic bag producing companies who feel threatened by the ban. Shame on them, they are not thinking about the welfare of future generations who will have to live with what we leave behind.
Let's only cry, piss, and moan about plastic bags. Plastic bags are the single most overpopulated item in our landfills, nothing comes even close. Hey if banning plastic bags is what will help you sleep at night and fell good about it then do it. Nothing else that ends up in our landfills matters even .0001% next to plastic bags. COME ON PEOPLE!!! Reeally!!

Weren't most bags changed to biodegradable back like twenty years ago? Don't they usually offer you paper or plastic at the grocery store? Can you not go and buy cloth reusable grocery bags? There are options out there to fight "The man" that makes these spawns of satan bags. I am so sure that these money mongers are going to loose sleep at night knowing Vermont doesn't want their plastic bags. Seriously, I bet they go under. Not.

Since: Dec 10

Ron Paul 2012

#13 Jan 19, 2011
in addition:
I am so glad that this is top news legislation coming out of Vermont. This is what really matters. Not jobs. Not getting the economy going. Plastic effing bags.
VacLib dot org

Bellows Falls, VT

#14 Jan 19, 2011
I see stupid people wrote:
"Fifty-six percent of Americans are not "at all aware" that reusable grocery bags may contain lead and bacteria, according to a poll commissioned by the group through the Opinion Research Corporation"
Doesn't that say it all?
most don't know or care that vaccines have mercury and squaline not to mention the dangers of live cancer viruses and other contamination in the vaccines, yet many stupidly take them anyhow, believing the f***ing govt.
Now one in 100 kids get autistic due to vaccines but the mainstream media (liars for business and industry) tells us it's not the vaccines. and people (make that 'Sheeple') put up with that.
'I see stupid people'-INDEED!
GDog

Miami, FL

#15 Jan 19, 2011
95% of all statistics can be manipulated to achieve a desired outcome 100% of the time. 100% of polls use a sample group of 1000 to 5000 people that is less than the actual number of people the poll is surveying (sample = .000013%), however claim their results are true for 99.9% of the population (plus or minus 5%). 4 out of 5 (80%) dentists who chew gum, recommend Trident to their patients who chew gum.

Since: Dec 10

Ron Paul 2012

#16 Jan 19, 2011
GDog wrote:
95% of all statistics can be manipulated to achieve a desired outcome 100% of the time. 100% of polls use a sample group of 1000 to 5000 people that is less than the actual number of people the poll is surveying (sample =.000013%), however claim their results are true for 99.9% of the population (plus or minus 5%). 4 out of 5 (80%) dentists who chew gum, recommend Trident to their patients who chew gum.
That is not why you shouldn't eat tomato soup on the roller coaster after 12:00pm on Sept 17,2018.
Liberty

Rindge, NH

#17 Jan 23, 2011
I use many of my plastic bags as wastebasket liners for my small wastebaskets. Other plastic bags I use to store things. My husband uses cloth bags to cut down on the number of bags we get in the first place. Many people are taking their plastic bags to recycling bins. Do we really need to legislate this?
Larry

Burlington, VT

#18 Jan 24, 2011
Liberty wrote:
Do we really need to legislate this?
YES! The Obama Administration says "we all have a little Homer Simpson in us and all we need is a "nudge" in the right direction".

So yes, don't you know the government knows what's best for us?
There was a time when all you could get at the store was a paper bag. Then they said it was destroying the forests, so a campaign was underway to get us to use plastic. Now they find out plastic is worse than paper! The solution was worse than the problem! And now the government braintrust wants to get involved? Watch out!

I say don't give out anything. Let the customers pile everything in their arms and walk out.
GrnMtnBoy

Watseka, IL

#19 Jan 24, 2011
GDog wrote:
95% of all statistics can be manipulated to achieve a desired outcome 100% of the time. 100% of polls use a sample group of 1000 to 5000 people that is less than the actual number of people the poll is surveying (sample =.000013%), however claim their results are true for 99.9% of the population (plus or minus 5%). 4 out of 5 (80%) dentists who chew gum, recommend Trident to their patients who chew gum.
I've said this also. If you study a subject long enough and hard enough, you'll get the result you are LOOKING for.

Pollsters skew questions for the desired answer. They choose what segment of society to poll to get the desired results.

Plastic or paper? Paper, it comes from a renewable resource - wood fiber. And can be recycled and are biodegradeable. I also like the idea of making them out of corn, which also easily breaks down.
GrnMtnBoy

Watseka, IL

#20 Jan 24, 2011
Liberty wrote:
I use many of my plastic bags as wastebasket liners for my small wastebaskets. Other plastic bags I use to store things. My husband uses cloth bags to cut down on the number of bags we get in the first place. Many people are taking their plastic bags to recycling bins. Do we really need to legislate this?
More money for the state to piss away.
The Brattleboro Informer

Trumbull, CT

#21 Jan 24, 2011
Our biggest problem is we keep recycling our feckless politicians.
Larry

Burlington, VT

#22 Jan 25, 2011
The Brattleboro Informer wrote:
Our biggest problem is we keep recycling our feckless politicians.
The best way to stop this is to reduce their pay to what a a Sergeant (E5) makes. Under two years exprience:$25,801. Over 6 years experience:$27,911. Plus all the benefits the military gets.

But they have voted themselves pay increases every year just about, and now make $174,000 plus all the freebies they vote themselves to go along with that salary. And that includes a big fat pension that can be 80% of their highest salary. They are also eligible for a pension after serving 5 years. And they can collect that pension at age 50. Let's face it. Would Bernie or Pat want to come back to Vermont after living in the lap of luxury? Where could they make $174,000 a year in vermont?

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