Biomass plan draws protest

Biomass plan draws protest

There are 241 comments on the Bennington Banner story from Nov 14, 2010, titled Biomass plan draws protest. In it, Bennington Banner reports that:

Some two dozen area residents from Vermont and Massachusetts demonstrated Saturday in opposition to a proposed 29.5-megawatt biomass electricity generating and wood pellet manufacturing facility in Pownal.

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Numbers

Bennington, VT

#22 Nov 15, 2010
loves poverty
Cambridge, MA

snugli
Cambridge, MA

James Paqua
Progress Partners
Cambridge, MA

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Paqua_James_66...

Any questions?
Numbers

Bennington, VT

#23 Nov 15, 2010
Concerned
Manchester Center, VT

Chic Paustian
Manchester Center, VT

Concerned do you heat your home with WOOD? I believe it's a fact that you use OIL!

Any questions?
Numbers

Bennington, VT

#24 Nov 15, 2010
Alyce Marie 226
Bronx, NY

Progress Partners
New York, NY

Any questions?
snugli

Bennington, VT

#25 Nov 15, 2010
What makes you think I don't have a degree? What makes you think I haven't had some wonderful jobs? What makes you think that despite my own comforts and success, I want better for my friends and neighbors than tourism/entertainment venue jobs? I am interested in a tax base that does not rely on how many tourists came to visit in any given year. You show me the better jobs, sunshine. All three area hospitals have slashed jobs, the college isn't doing much hiring, and I'm not big on "seasonal" employment. Pownal will be getting their reval tax bills next year and the state Challenges for Change initiatives are going to impact both the school system and the town services. People will be paying more and getting less and the chance to boost the tax base at the site of the proposed biomass facility should not be discarded lightly. Please don't presume I lack education because the charm of low wage, no benefit jobs is lost on me.
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
You realize that you COULD get an associates degree BEFORE this place even opens, right? You COULD land a better job if you don't want to wait on table, or scrub toilets.
No, you would rather play the lottery with the tiny amount of jobs this place MAY offer, and complain about people that went on to a 2, 4 or 8 year degree program.
Take a look at yourself and if you are happy with who you are, or what you do, then fine. If you are a bitter person that thinks YOU deserve what other people worked hard for, then go on and keep complaining. Nobody is going to listen to you.
Actually, you may have a couple fans. There are others like you:
TruthTellert
GreenMtnBoy
Alice
The sit around and wait, people.
snugli

Bennington, VT

#26 Nov 15, 2010
I do want to share that I don't know why anyone's posts are coming up Cambridge I do live in Southern Vermont and I have for over 20 years
GrnMtnBoy

Arlington, VT

#27 Nov 15, 2010
Fair Share wrote:
The folks that are working to stop the proposed incinerator live in the particulate fallout zone where the public-health damage would be most acute.
It would not help them financially but rather hurt them and their families due to increased healthcare costs and reduced property values.
Mr. Tellert, however, if I understand correctly, doesn't live near the proposed incinerator site and is one of the few people in Vermont who will make money if Mr. Emero and Mr. Bousquet can pull the deal off.
It's easy to understand both sides here; folks want to protect their families and homes, and people want to make money. The folks who'll make money, however, won't be the ones who take the hit that allowing this biomass burner to go through will deal to the people of the Hoosic Valley.
BUT what is not being looked at is the fact that woodstoves in the area are producing more particulate matter per pound of wood burnt than this plant would generate, per pound of wood burnt. Perhaps if we got away from expensive oil and coal, and produced home grown power from plants like this, plus hydro, wind, solar power, homes could have electric heat as does most of Canada and we wouldn't have to heat with wood.
GrnMtnBoy

Arlington, VT

#28 Nov 15, 2010
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
You realize that you COULD get an associates degree BEFORE this place even opens, right? You COULD land a better job if you don't want to wait on table, or scrub toilets.
No, you would rather play the lottery with the tiny amount of jobs this place MAY offer, and complain about people that went on to a 2, 4 or 8 year degree program.
Take a look at yourself and if you are happy with who you are, or what you do, then fine. If you are a bitter person that thinks YOU deserve what other people worked hard for, then go on and keep complaining. Nobody is going to listen to you.
Actually, you may have a couple fans. There are others like you:
TruthTellert
GreenMtnBoy
Alice
The sit around and wait, people.
Where are these jobs you are talking about? I'd like to apply for one. Please give us a list of available jobs that pay over $10.00 per hour within 25 miles of Bennington.
GrnMtnBoy

Arlington, VT

#29 Nov 15, 2010
Worse Than Coal wrote:
Here is a link to a recent Mass study indicating Wood Power plants are worse polluters than coal:
http://tinyurl.com/2d8qm24
The American Lung Association gives Berkshire County, right across the border from Pownal, an "F" for its ozone pollution levels
GET THE FULL STORY ON THIS STUDY. You're a little behind.
GrnMtnBoy

Arlington, VT

#30 Nov 15, 2010
Bill wrote:
get an education and you can stop cleaning toilets and waiting tables, and get the education in a field that could use you, I would not suggest english lit, history, art history, philosophy, should I go on,,,,,,,,,,I am so sick of the whining....
Again. Where are the jobs? Give us a list of jobs paying over $10.00 per hour within 25 miles of Bennington.
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#31 Nov 15, 2010
Bill wrote:
get an education and you can stop cleaning toilets and waiting tables, and get the education in a field that could use you, I would not suggest english lit, history, art history, philosophy, should I go on,,,,,,,,,,I am so sick of the whining....
Interesting comment from someone that can't find the "cap key"

Hey, what would you do if there was no one to clean your toilets or wait on you? Anyone and I mean anyone that works for a living, and is not sucking off the system as so many in Vemront do, no matter what they do, deserves respect.
GrnMtnBoy

Arlington, VT

#32 Nov 15, 2010
snugli wrote:
I do want to share that I don't know why anyone's posts are coming up Cambridge I do live in Southern Vermont and I have for over 20 years
The address popping up varies. It depends on where your current connection is and or how it's been routed. One of mine last week was out in the midwest. I haven't been there in 5 years.
anon

United States

#33 Nov 15, 2010
The proposed facility creates 40-something full-time skilled jobs, but also 100+ contractor jobs pownalites could potentially fill.
Barbara Hornsby

Huntsville, AL

#34 Nov 15, 2010
i grew up in Pownal. We had Waren Wire, the Tannery and North East Woods. the gravel bed was right there on route 7. These were places of work. Can Pownal afford to be a "tourest" town? And if we are a tourest town, where are the shops and resturants for the tourests? People only drive though Pownal to get to Bennington, or Manchester where the shops are. We need jobs. With a factory comes the need for places to eat, get gas and so on. Jobs for people.
What we see now is a liquer store, car dealerships. Is that something special to look at? They are businesses with jobs....
bugsy

Bennington, VT

#35 Nov 15, 2010
"woodstoves in the area are producing more particulate matter per pound of wood burnt than this plant would generate, per pound of wood burnt."

This may be true. However, you are overlooking the fact that far more wood will be burned at the biomass plant than will ever be burned in wood stoves in homes. So although the pollution per pound of wood burned may be less for the biomass plant, the TOTAL pollution load will be much greater, due to the sheer volume of wood that will be burned.
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#36 Nov 15, 2010
Numbers wrote:
Concerned
Manchester Center, VT
Chic Paustian
Manchester Center, VT
Concerned do you heat your home with WOOD? I believe it's a fact that you use OIL!
Any questions?
Wood! Haven't used oil or Kerosene in years.
GDog

Miami, FL

#37 Nov 15, 2010
bugsy wrote:
"However, you are overlooking the fact that far more wood will be burned at the biomass plant than will ever be burned in wood stoves in homes. So although the pollution per pound of wood burned may be less for the biomass plant, the TOTAL pollution load will be much greater, due to the sheer volume of wood that will be burned.
That sir is logic. And logic has no place in this discussion.
Numbers

Bennington, VT

#38 Nov 15, 2010
When did you heat your mobile home with Kerosene Concerned?
Numbers

Bennington, VT

#39 Nov 15, 2010
Who called the pro biomass wolves? I knew that was going to happen. Strong arm hoods just like the mafia and gop hacks.

I actually figured out who each of these people are last night and GDog just sealed the deal.
GrnMtnBoy

Arlington, VT

#40 Nov 15, 2010
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
You realize that you COULD get an associates degree BEFORE this place even opens, right? You COULD land a better job if you don't want to wait on table, or scrub toilets.
No, you would rather play the lottery with the tiny amount of jobs this place MAY offer, and complain about people that went on to a 2, 4 or 8 year degree program.
Take a look at yourself and if you are happy with who you are, or what you do, then fine. If you are a bitter person that thinks YOU deserve what other people worked hard for, then go on and keep complaining. Nobody is going to listen to you.
Actually, you may have a couple fans. There are others like you:
TruthTellert
GreenMtnBoy
Alice
The sit around and wait, people.
How about giving us a list of jobs that pays over $10 per hour within 25 miles of Bennington?
Kevin Hoyt

Bennington, VT

#41 Nov 15, 2010
What a waste of time and money! Only two dozen protesters? I thought the residents of Mass had more organization than that... and to thing they are asking for help with legal fees (LOL). These people are attacking Beaver Wood because they want to take advantage of LEGAL tax credits? What kind of business wouldn't try for this kickback, it's good business and makes sense. The reality is that Beaver Wood Energy is talking a BIG risk even trying for the credit... if the final permits are denied, they lose whatever money they pre-invest.
The arguments these protesters are using are NOT valid and are/have been addressed by Beaver Wood on several occasions and in all the documentation provided by the energy giant. This will be the newest, cleanest and best Biomass plant in the World that will benefit Pownal, Vermont and our wildlife.
I also find it very upsetting that the residents of Massachusetts (I mean the Seirra Club) are the ones complaining - these are the same enviromental dogooders that want more wilderness in OUR State and want to close all the public land despite the benefits or fallout for OUR residents and OUR wildlife.
This Biomass discussion is going the same way... with uninformed, ignorant, self serving protests that really have NOTHING to do with the facts. They show us pictures that are NOT relevant, they use OLD data from older plants that are NOT correct and they use Incorrect data and scientific studies that are UNPROVEN, Controversial and made by their very own kind. They bring in more "out of State" experts that use the very same energy to heat their own homes that they are protesting, but want us to believe their hyprocritical BS? At they same time, these SAME people protest our Countries dependence on foreign oil... what gives?
The people of Pownal DO have the right to ask questions and protest anything they find offensive, but the rest of the crowd should stick to the liberal and dirty politics of Mass. Or maybe Vermont should start protesting the pollution made in New York, Ohio, Canada, etc that is carried our way in the jet stream. GET REAL!!!

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