Agencies: Act 250 needed

Agencies: Act 250 needed

There are 15 comments on the Bennington Banner story from Feb 9, 2011, titled Agencies: Act 250 needed. In it, Bennington Banner reports that:

Two state agencies have filed opposition to a Maine developer's permit application for two biomass and wood pellet facilities, saying they should also go through Act 250 permitting.

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Yo Yo

Poultney, VT

#1 Feb 10, 2011
Again Beaver Wood is up to the same tricks it has used from the beginning. Dollar signs? that is all they care about. they will lie and threaten to get what they want. They do not care about any damage they will do. You can bet if these facilities are built in two years Beaver wood will sell them and move on leave the state of vemront and local communities to clean up the mess they created.
Truth

Medway, MA

#2 Feb 10, 2011
I believe the point that the Beaver Wood people are trying to make is why should they be subjected to the same permit twice for one project. Act 248 and Act 250 are almost identical with Act 248 being tougher on the applicant.

I never knew creating hundreds of jobs for good people, bringing over 30 Million dollars a year into the local economy while substantially improving the forest is a bad thing.

This project will make enough electricity for about 34,000 homes and enough pellets for about 27,000 homes all while producing about as much particulate emissions as about 47 conventional woodstoves. The emissions falling on anyones property from this project will be many times less than if their neighbor uses a woodstove.

This is a very important project for Vermont andwe should try to focus on facts not opinion or worse, fear.
GRNMTNBOY

Watseka, IL

#3 Feb 10, 2011
Yo Yo wrote:
Again Beaver Wood is up to the same tricks it has used from the beginning. Dollar signs? that is all they care about. they will lie and threaten to get what they want. They do not care about any damage they will do. You can bet if these facilities are built in two years Beaver wood will sell them and move on leave the state of vemront and local communities to clean up the mess they created.
Money? Doesn't your employer make a profit so you can be paid and hopefully for the business to grow? Or do you reside at Willowbrook (just curious)?

Lie and threaten? Have you called them? They are very open. They'll send you every study they have. What are the threats?

If the plant in built, why would they leave in 2 years? Possibly because the Socialist State of VT forced them out through over regulation? It's happened with other businesses to the benefit of other states. Way to go VT!

Going through Act 250 AND Act 248 is rediculous. What other state has this BS?
Make it Work

Albany, NY

#4 Feb 10, 2011
Closed minds will eventually KILL Vermont. As farms and small business dwindle out there will be no way to stop big business coming in and doing what ever they want. If make control now and allow businesses to come in, creating jobs, added property value, tax income to the state, town and county and now you have a win, win situation.
harvey carter

Haverhill, MA

#5 Feb 10, 2011
The pellet plant should pass act 250 with no problem. If the plant is sold to another entity.so be it. Nobody is going to pay millions of dollars for the plant,and not run it.
The McNeil plant has been successful for decades. The forest products industry is a vital piece of Vermont's working landscape,as it has been for centuries.
Renewable fuels are an up and coming industry,and are a much more responsible way to generate electricity than many of our current practices. The outcome of this debate will tell a lot about Pownal. Are we still a hardworking little town that produces things of value? Or have we turned the corner to "bedroom community" for good? Time will tell.
Bedroom

Granville, NY

#6 Feb 10, 2011
harvey carter wrote:
The pellet plant should pass act 250 with no problem. If the plant is sold to another entity.so be it. Nobody is going to pay millions of dollars for the plant,and not run it.
The McNeil plant has been successful for decades. The forest products industry is a vital piece of Vermont's working landscape,as it has been for centuries.
Renewable fuels are an up and coming industry,and are a much more responsible way to generate electricity than many of our current practices. The outcome of this debate will tell a lot about Pownal. Are we still a hardworking little town that produces things of value? Or have we turned the corner to "bedroom community" for good? Time will tell.
Bedroom. Thank you.
Hmmmm

South Deerfield, MA

#7 Feb 10, 2011
Bedroom wrote:
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Bedroom. Thank you.
Was that supposed to be funny?

Lame. Make that stupid, and lame.
GrnMtnBoy

Saugus, MA

#8 Feb 10, 2011
Hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Was that supposed to be funny?
Lame. Make that stupid, and lame.
Our local spokesperson asked a question, and someone answered it. Bedroom

Harvey, I'd like to choose Bedroom too.

Thank you for asking us for a choice.
harvey carter

Haverhill, MA

#9 Feb 11, 2011
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
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Our local spokesperson asked a question, and someone answered it. Bedroom
Harvey, I'd like to choose Bedroom too.
Thank you for asking us for a choice.
Pownal cannot survive as a bedroom community. Currently for every dollar collected in residential property taxes, the town is asked to provide about a dollar and thirty five cents worth of services. This problem is compounded by more people building more houses.

My question to the Anti/Nimby crowd is two fold. What alternatives to this project do you offer to slow down the property tax increases in Pownal? Are you willing to pay thirty five percent more on your homes to avoid the plant? This is where the folks from Williamstown get a free pass to rally against the plant,without paying the economic price.

Just remember that last night,while everyone was down at the college,trashing the forest products industry,and pretending to be so concerned about pollution in the hoosic river valley, the college heating plant was spewing particulate matter into the air at a rate that makes a chip plant look very clean. Perhaps the college,and town of williamstown, could help us breathe easier here in the valley by converting that dirty ,number six fuel oil plant to chips?
GrnMtnBoy

Saugus, MA

#10 Feb 11, 2011
harvey carter wrote:
<quoted text> Are you willing to pay thirty five percent more on your homes to avoid the plant?
Yes. Again, thank you for asking.

The savings on the taxes for a modest to larger new home = about $200 a year.

The savings for a smaller home down to a trailer size home = about $150 to $100 per year.

Let's not try to be tricky, Harv.

Don't try to trick people into thinking their ENTIRE TAX BILL will be cut into a third. That's not very nice now, is it?

Lets also be a little more honest, since you won't be. Do you know that the tax savings is not based on your current value? Nope. It's based on the NEW value of your home which will be lowered if this plant came in here.

Some houses could lose up to 10-20% of their value.$100,000 home, close to the plant, now worth $80,000.$20,000 /$200 tax savings. How many years does it take for you to make up for that loss? More than a lifetime for some.

An extra $150 a year. Yes. I'm willing to pay that to keep out the spewing mess.

The medical bills for a respiratory therapist will have a cost of THOUSANDS of $ per year.

You are a bad spokesperson for the people, Harv. I hope people start calling you out on it. You're not a very nice person, and you are very selfish in your motives.
harvey carter

Saint Albans, VT

#12 Feb 13, 2011
There is absolutely no proof that property values will drop in Pownal if the plant is built. And what are my current medical costs from the college heating plant?
You are right back to the name calling , I don't understand why you have to call me names ,just because we disagree on the issues. Do you even know where 21 Place is,GMB?
GRNMTNBOY

Watseka, IL

#13 Feb 13, 2011
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
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Yes. Again, thank you for asking.
The savings on the taxes for a modest to larger new home = about $200 a year.
The savings for a smaller home down to a trailer size home = about $150 to $100 per year.
Let's not try to be tricky, Harv.
Don't try to trick people into thinking their ENTIRE TAX BILL will be cut into a third. That's not very nice now, is it?
Lets also be a little more honest, since you won't be. Do you know that the tax savings is not based on your current value? Nope. It's based on the NEW value of your home which will be lowered if this plant came in here.
Some houses could lose up to 10-20% of their value.$100,000 home, close to the plant, now worth $80,000.$20,000 /$200 tax savings. How many years does it take for you to make up for that loss? More than a lifetime for some.
An extra $150 a year. Yes. I'm willing to pay that to keep out the spewing mess.
The medical bills for a respiratory therapist will have a cost of THOUSANDS of $ per year.
You are a bad spokesperson for the people, Harv. I hope people start calling you out on it. You're not a very nice person, and you are very selfish in your motives.
And your information comes from where?
harvey carter

Saint Albans, VT

#14 Feb 13, 2011
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. Again, thank you for asking.
The savings on the taxes for a modest to larger new home = about $200 a year.
The savings for a smaller home down to a trailer size home = about $150 to $100 per year.
Let's not try to be tricky, Harv.
Don't try to trick people into thinking their ENTIRE TAX BILL will be cut into a third. That's not very nice now, is it?
Lets also be a little more honest, since you won't be. Do you know that the tax savings is not based on your current value? Nope. It's based on the NEW value of your home which will be lowered if this plant came in here.
Some houses could lose up to 10-20% of their value.$100,000 home, close to the plant, now worth $80,000.$20,000 /$200 tax savings. How many years does it take for you to make up for that loss? More than a lifetime for some.
An extra $150 a year. Yes. I'm willing to pay that to keep out the spewing mess.
The medical bills for a respiratory therapist will have a cost of THOUSANDS of $ per year.
You are a bad spokesperson for the people, Harv. I hope people start calling you out on it. You're not a very nice person, and you are very selfish in your motives.
Please don,t put words in my mouth. I NEVER SAID TAXES WOULD GO DOWN 30 PERCENT if the plant was built.But you can bet the farm that they will go up 35% in the next ten years if no new large scale business comes to town.
harvey carter

Saint Albans, VT

#15 Feb 13, 2011
GRNMTNBOY wrote:
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And your information comes from where?
No real info, just name calling and spin,same as usual.
doug

South Burlington, VT

#16 Feb 14, 2011
splitting this into 2 separate act 250 hearings is just another reason it is hard to get things done in Vermont. I'm all for act 250, but we must streamline the process.

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