Whydontwe

Kittanning, PA

#118 Feb 12, 2012
I also think it's ignorant for people to say that this was God's will. It was gods will to cause so much hurt? Does anyone actually know what it looked like at this child's elementary school the day after the accident? They had to bring in counselors as these children, nine and ten year olds, were walking around confused and crying their little eyes out.
It was god's will to utterly taint and destroy the life of the 11 year old boy? I myself have seen a lot in my short life, I mean A LOT, and I can't imagine what scene is going to flash before his eyes every time he tries to close his eyes. Children always blame themselves, and he is going to most likely do this whether he wants to or not. It was in no way his fault, but he has to live with it.
This can't just be brushed off as god's will. As some wise person said before, the lives of these little ones are left in our hands until the age of accountability. This did not have to happen, and if we are wise we can learn from this as a society and make sure this never happens again.
Please

London, KY

#119 Feb 12, 2012
Whydontwe wrote:
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I have no idea why posts like this are being marked so harshly. Your car analogy makes perfect sense and I think many of us totally agree.
What if I were to teach my child to drive a car for sport or necessity? There could seriously be a time when she would need to drive. It will certainly be her right to own a car some day. What if she wish to participate in racing? Perhaps I could to review proper car safety...maybe give her a rule book or enroll her in a car safety course. It sounds bizarre. Kids can get killed in cars or kill others, you say? Same with guns!
I really see no difference between giving a child a car and a gun.
Your mouth is as loaded as a cocked gun for the ears of that 11 year old. You must not have children and only be book savy. Right? Or just plain stupid not to know at eleven he can read. So can his friends that will read and no doubt take opinions to heart. And just like you, I have my opinion and it looks like I am not the only one on here with the same opinion. You just dont know when to stop. I don't think I can say it any clearer than this. Why don't you take your opinion and go up to the grave yard about now and see if the family or anyone there wants to hear your opinion. Since you are trying to drive it home go for it. JMO too.
EveryOne Stop

Louisville, KY

#120 Feb 12, 2012
please Everyone let this awful thread die. STOP!

**AS far as the 11yr old "reading this stuff" that you/ANYONE is attemping to "defend"....get REAL, do you or anyone else for that matter think sitting on a computer on "topix" is going to be any where in this childs thoughts??? SERIOUSLY, after putting his baby brother in the ground, you think he is going to go home and sit on TOPIX?? I think not...So please the only thing you ALL keep doing by posting on here is....adding fuel to the heartless people who have nothing better to do!

FOLKS LET THIS ONE DIE>>>STOP REPLYING TO ANY OF IT!*Based on facts of the "boy/family may read it"...REALLY, would ya'll be on topix after buring your child/nephew/brother?? NO! SAVE THE ENERGY AND PRAY FOR THEM INSTEAD!

GOD bless this family, comfort them, help ease their hearts right now, they need your love more than ever!!
GOD HELP

London, KY

#122 Feb 13, 2012
This is the saddest thing I have ever imagined. The 11 year old child will have to live with this for the rest of his life. That is all the punishment I think the boy will ever deserve. Everyone knows that gun control is an issue here but that child should by far out way that at this time. For just a second imagine this is your family. The love and support of the town is what this family needs, its what this family deserves from this town. I know most family's think that it can not happen to their children to thier families but it could and just for the grace of God it is not. As close as you can watch them bad things can happen I wish there was something we could do to take some of the pain away from this little boy. He's lost his brother, his buddy, and his best friend and he in his mind all the pain his parents and him are going though is his fault. HIS FAULT. Thats alot for alittle heart to carry around day after day for such alittle heart. Lets pray for him. May God comfort him. And as far as the gun conrol, well we that something that can be debated at a later date. I think his little heart is by far mor important at this time.God help us uplift him, support him and love him just like God would want us to.
lulu

London, KY

#124 Feb 14, 2012
Once words are spoken they can only be forgiven not forgoten..
bev

London, KY

#125 Feb 14, 2012
Talking to a wall wrote:
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That is the stupidest argument I have heard. I have had a pool for 13 years and I have three children and I can honestly tell you they have never been in it at any age by theirselves without me sitting on the deck watching or in with them. And I never "forgot" to strap their car seats in.
I bet you don't turn the handles of the cookware where they can't be reached either since you leave knives laying within reach
You don't have to be 100% perfect, but you don't have to be stupid and negligent either. I'm not saying they are guilty of a crime and definitely should not be charged with a crime.
The point I am trying to make is that no parent is perfect. I'm not saying I let my toddlers run around knives or swim by themselves while I sit indoors for goodness sakes! Any parent who says they have never made a mistake with their child is absolutely lying. And making a mistake doesn't make you stupid or negligent. I think your post is a good example of how an issue like this can be judged harshly by others without knowing the full story. For example, the time I forgot to buckle my son's car seat, I had been to the drive-in movie with my family. We unbuckled his carseat so he would be more comfy, and at some point during the movie he fell asleep, covered up with a blanket. When we got ready to leave, I simply forgot that we had unbuckled him in the first place. We made it about a quarter mile down the road before it occured to me, and we pulled over and snapped his buckle back. But imagine if we had been in an accident and he had been hurt. There would be people instantly on Topix bashing the stupid, negligent parents that were driving arond town with their kid's carseat unbuckled. In reality it was a 30 second mistake that I was horrified I had made - and I have never made again.

There are so many terrible accidents just waiting to happen when you have children. Yes, it is our responsibility to do our best to protect our children, but nobody is perfect and these things are bound to happen from time to time. Anybody can make a mistake, and I'm sure if you reflect on your years as a parent, you can find a few times when you made mistakes too.

“ LIVE and LEARN”

Since: Mar 11

Cincinnati,Ohio

#128 Feb 14, 2012
Casting aspersions against ones character is not advocating parental accountability. I believe it is called slander and is against the law. How many years would some like tosee given for character assination? I wish it carried a life sentence for killing ones character. Some people do this with alot of premeditation and it is all too obvisious.
RIP little one, it's a shame you still need to be protected even when in the arms of God.
EveryOne Stop

Louisville, KY

#130 Feb 14, 2012
please Everyone let this awful thread die. STOP!

FOLKS LET THIS ONE DIE>>>STOP REPLYING TO ANY OF IT!*
know

London, KY

#132 Feb 14, 2012
I have turned all these post in but they have not been deleted I wonder why
umm

London, KY

#133 Feb 14, 2012
I'm sorry, but posting for people to let this post die is in fact bumping it to the top again. Mission not accomplished.
T-Ruth

United States

#134 Feb 15, 2012
Perhaps because there is nothing against the Topix TOS in them?

You don't get to decide something should be removed just because you don't like it.

And this should NOT be brushed under the rug.

If it had been your child that was shot while visiting this house, you'd be screaming at the top of your lungs for these parents to be held responsible.

If you say you wouldn't, you are lying.
know wrote:
I have turned all these post in but they have not been deleted I wonder why
Lesson Learned 1

Mount Vernon, KY

#135 Feb 15, 2012
This can't be swept under the rug or ignored. How can you pretend that the loss of a young life didn't happen? How can you pretend that this child didn't exist and that his death will not effect all those who loved him?

Most people on this site are reaching out to the family in love and support. As a member of this community and a parent I feel nothing but compassion and heartbreak for what they are going through. Do I have any judgement to pass? Absolutely not. that is not my place. I am put here on earth to reach out to my fellow human being and try in some way to ease their pain. Leave the judgement to someone else.

How would you feel to try and lie down and go to sleep each night knowing you would never tuck your child in, kiss it goodnight or wake up hearing it's laughter again and have to live with the fact that there were people out there who felt that they had the right to caste judgement on you and say you were guilty of killing this child?

How can you lie down at night and go to sleep after judging someone? Who gave you that entitlement? Do you know the situation and even if you did, does that still give you that right?

Leave this family alone if you can't reach out to them with compassion and love.

“ LIVE and LEARN”

Since: Mar 11

Cincinnati,Ohio

#138 Feb 16, 2012
T-Ruth wrote:
Who's pretending? You're the one focusing on his poor parents instead of the dead child.
As far as judging goes, you better believe I am. Unlike you, judging me, I will absolutely own judging the people responsible for the death of a child. They don't get a pass because they're parents.
Also, this is NOT the child's obituary or guest book. This is a forum open for public discussion. I would hope these two miserable humans have more important things to do than read Topix, but if they do, so be it.
I would, in fact, be more than happy to tell them that their actions killed their child. They don't deserve to tuck any child into bed ever again.
I'll sleep fine tonight.
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I agree, you can post whatever you want. And if the 11 year old were to read your posts and leaves a note saying he read your post and could not live with himself and ends his life because of what you wrote; then you will be held responsible for your part of that death. Right? You certainly put it right on the table for us loud and clear about how we are all suspose to held accountable for neglectful actions. The difference between me and you is, I have not been neglectful or disrespectful of the other child in this sad accident.
I will sleep tonite like I always do, knowing that we all are responsible for our own actions. Just my opinion.
responsiblity

Brodhead, KY

#139 Feb 16, 2012
aka OH BROTHER wrote:
<quoted text> I agree, you can post whatever you want. And if the 11 year old were to read your posts and leaves a note saying he read your post and could not live with himself and ends his life because of what you wrote; then you will be held responsible for your part of that death. Right? You certainly put it right on the table for us loud and clear about how we are all suspose to held accountable for neglectful actions. The difference between me and you is, I have not been neglectful or disrespectful of the other child in this sad accident.
I will sleep tonite like I always do, knowing that we all are responsible for our own actions. Just my opinion.
It most certainly is NOT that little boys fault! There were ADULTS in that household. They are the responsible ones. That little boy did not buy that gun. If the gun was put up like it should have been that might be different. However, bottom line is the adults were the responsible ones.

“ LIVE and LEARN”

Since: Mar 11

Cincinnati,Ohio

#140 Feb 16, 2012
I agree it is not anyones fault! It was an accident!
Thought

London, KY

#141 Feb 16, 2012
responsiblity wrote:
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It most certainly is NOT that little boys fault! There were ADULTS in that household. They are the responsible ones. That little boy did not buy that gun. If the gun was put up like it should have been that might be different. However, bottom line is the adults were the responsible ones.
No it is most certainly, not the fault of the other child. I am sure that this family, mostly the parents have been punished more than you or any one else could ever deliver. I can not even begin to imagine the pain these parents feel. The fact of the matter is you can sit behind your computer and spew your demands for the punishment you think should be handed out all you want. However the State Police have found it to be an accident, so it appears that your hope of punishing parents that are already punishing themselves, will just have to wait. I also hope that the children of these parents never get to read or even hear through the gossip mill the things you have said about their parents. Should the child had the gun, no though I can't beleive that these parents dreamed this would happen, no malicious intent here just not any
accident

Brodhead, KY

#143 Feb 17, 2012
what is the line that we cross that determines when you are punished by law, not by your guilt, when someone dies from an accident? if someone drinks and drives and accidently kills someone should they not be punished? afterall appararently most people think a person's guilt is punishment enough. i dont think it works that way.
yardsale

Elizabethtown, KY

#144 Feb 17, 2012
know one no how this feel,it is sad
Accident

London, KY

#145 Feb 17, 2012
accident wrote:
what is the line that we cross that determines when you are punished by law, not by your guilt, when someone dies from an accident? if someone drinks and drives and accidently kills someone should they not be punished? afterall appararently most people think a person's guilt is punishment enough. i dont think it works that way.
You said the right word "ACCIDENTLY". Bet you did not think that someone would have an answer to your snid remark but here's your answer.....Not only did the driver accidently kill someone else they killed themself in this wreck. The drivers wife was so grief stricken, she drank herself to death and now I raise their orphaned child!!!!! I live with guilt that my son took anothers life daily and sadness that this accident happened period. Glad you took it to this level. Grief and guilt goes down the line from one to the other .....Where does it end is what I want to know. Grief and guilt is a journey with no end! Get over it people! It was an accident between two children and the grief and guilt will never end!
guns

Brodhead, KY

#146 Feb 17, 2012
Hopefully everybody that knows this story will think twice when they leave guns where their small kids can get them. Yes it was a horrible accident. But it should have never happened. That little boy has nothing to feel bad about. He didn't buy that gun. If someone has guns in their home, they should consider taking a gun safety class. Going out shooting at a tree in the woods is not practice enough. They need safety lessons also.

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