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#127 Oct 1, 2012
_Ummm_ wrote:
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I believe we only know enough right now to essentially eliminate the possibility of colonization outside of our solar system by conventional propulsion. Wormholes are one of the many theories that exist with nothing directly observable to back them, so I could not state that I believe they do exist, only that I believe the theory is certainly plausible. And if they do exist, I also do not see a way that the movement of matter (especially living) through them would be possible as the forces involved are simply too great. Photons, however, yes. I can definitely see a possibility of sending light information at a much higher effective speed than that of normal light, provided we can find a way to skirt the event horizon of any wormhole we may discover.
Event horizon? Are you saying they show similar characteristics as a black hole? The best explanation I have heard for black holes was collapsed stars.(protostars?) That seems quite different from a wormhole. I understand the event horizon concept, and how it might apply to wormholes. But surely that would....ohhh. It just hit me and now I see it.

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#128 Oct 1, 2012
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not making this up. It is commonly called the "Mosaic covenant", just as Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy (aka the Torah) are called "Mosaic law".
Abraham's covenants with God were different than Moses'. Abraham lived the higher law. Moses was given the lesser law, or Priesthood authority, because the people were not righteous enough to receive the higher law, or Priesthood.
Th Aaronic Priesthood, or Levitical Priesthood, was given to Moses and his followers. It was coined after Moses' brother because he was the first high priest.
Jesus brought the higher priesthood called the Holy Priesthood, or the Priesthood in the order of Melchisidec. Melchisidec was the high priest that Abraham tithed to.
So yes, Abrahamic law was different than Mosaic. Mosaic was much simpler

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#129 Oct 1, 2012
do whut wrote:
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Abraham's covenants with God were different than Moses'. Abraham lived the higher law. Moses was given the lesser law, or Priesthood authority, because the people were not righteous enough to receive the higher law, or Priesthood.
Th Aaronic Priesthood, or Levitical Priesthood, was given to Moses and his followers. It was coined after Moses' brother because he was the first high priest.
Jesus brought the higher priesthood called the Holy Priesthood, or the Priesthood in the order of Melchisidec. Melchisidec was the high priest that Abraham tithed to.
So yes, Abrahamic law was different than Mosaic. Mosaic was much simpler
It sounds as though you are disagreeing with what I have stated and are instead proposing that the "old covenant" is not as I've described, and that using the term "Mosaic covenant" was wrong (or at least I assume you wouldn't post all that to agree with me). I'm a bit tired and don't think I'm up to scouring the internet to find support for something I haven't studied for a long long time, but I am quite sure that the 613 Mitzvot (which are anything but "simple"), including things like Leviticus 18:22 concerning homosexuality, are indeed part of the Mosaic covenant and are synonymous with any statement of "old covenant" from a Christian. If I'm wrong, please point me to a reliable reference so that I can refresh my memory, it has been too long.

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#130 Oct 1, 2012
_Ummm_ wrote:
It sounds as though you are disagreeing with what I have stated and are instead proposing that the "old covenant" is not as I've described, and that using the term "Mosaic covenant" was wrong (or at least I assume you wouldn't post all that to agree with me). I'm a bit tired and don't think I'm up to scouring the internet to find support for something I haven't studied for a long long time, but I am quite sure that the 613 Mitzvot (which are anything but "simple"), including things like Leviticus 18:22 concerning homosexuality, are indeed part of the Mosaic covenant and are synonymous with any statement of "old covenant" from a Christian. If I'm wrong, please point me to a reliable reference so that I can refresh my memory, it has been too long.
If you are directing this at me, I was actually agreeing with you. But when I said simple, I didn't mean simple to follow, as even the Tabernacle itself was described in extreme detail, which proves the order in which God's laws were to be followed. I mean simple in that only the lesser ordinances/acts could be performed with the Levitical Priesthood. It was the preparatory priesthood since the people were too wicked to hold the higher priesthood which Christ held.

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#131 Oct 1, 2012
do whut wrote:
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If you are directing this at me, I was actually agreeing with you. But when I said simple, I didn't mean simple to follow, as even the Tabernacle itself was described in extreme detail, which proves the order in which God's laws were to be followed. I mean simple in that only the lesser ordinances/acts could be performed with the Levitical Priesthood. It was the preparatory priesthood since the people were too wicked to hold the higher priesthood which Christ held.
Ok, I took your response to mean that I should have stated it the other way. I didn't see any real agreement there, as I hadn't even mentioned Abraham (I think).

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#132 Oct 1, 2012
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, I took your response to mean that I should have stated it the other way. I didn't see any real agreement there, as I hadn't even mentioned Abraham (I think).
That part was for Wings.:-) sorry for the confusion.

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#133 Oct 1, 2012
do whut wrote:
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That part was for Wings.:-) sorry for the confusion.
Ah, that makes more sense now.

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#134 Oct 1, 2012
do whut wrote:
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That part was for Wings.:-) sorry for the confusion.
Please explain what you meant. Which part?

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#135 Oct 1, 2012
do whut wrote:
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Abraham's covenants with God were different than Moses'. Abraham lived the higher law. Moses was given the lesser law, or Priesthood authority, because the people were not righteous enough to receive the higher law, or Priesthood.
Th Aaronic Priesthood, or Levitical Priesthood, was given to Moses and his followers. It was coined after Moses' brother because he was the first high priest.
Jesus brought the higher priesthood called the Holy Priesthood, or the Priesthood in the order of Melchisidec. Melchisidec was the high priest that Abraham tithed to.
So yes, Abrahamic law was different than Mosaic. Mosaic was much simpler
Would you give me the Scripture you refer to about the covenant God made with Moses? Just so I can follow what you are saying. We weren't speaking of the Law, but of the covenant. I know the covenant with Abraham and Noah but what are you saying about the covenant with Moses?

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#136 Oct 1, 2012
Wings of a Dove wrote:
<quoted text>Would you give me the Scripture you refer to about the covenant God made with Moses? Just so I can follow what you are saying. We weren't speaking of the Law, but of the covenant. I know the covenant with Abraham and Noah but what are you saying about the covenant with Moses?
I don't know the verse of Exodus, but the covenant was with the house of Jacob/sons of Israel through Moses established at the beginning of Sinai and continuing from that point. Hence Mosaic. It includes all of the things set forth in the Torah. It is synonymous with your "old covenant".

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#137 Oct 1, 2012
_Ummm_ wrote:
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Ah, that makes more sense now.
I looked thru Deuteronomy, Kings, Chronicles, Exodus. It tells of the book of the covenant, but I am looking for the details of the book. It was placed in the Ark just prior to Moses going up on the mt. Was the Law written in the book?

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#138 Oct 1, 2012
The book of laws that Moses had placed in the side of the ark by the Levites, yes, those are the same laws. Again, I'm not sure on the verse (Deuteronomy most likely) but it says that he wrote the words of the law into the book. There isn't a great deal of consistency in the final disposition (since parts say the only contents were the tablets and parts list other contents), but the language indicates that there may have been a place external to the tablets that the other things were housed or that some of them merely occupied the same place as the ark.
Brady

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#139 Oct 2, 2012
Thunder Chicken wrote:
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You're ridiculous.
The Vietnam War was the LAST TIME this country had a draft. Romney weaseled out of it.
Obama wasn't of age during Vietnam.
wouldn't have hurt him to have serverd 4 yrs. in the army, navy, etc......wouldn't have to be a war for a man to proudly stand up and serve the USA .... but not obama.....he didn't even like usa flag lapels

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#140 Oct 2, 2012
Brady wrote:
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wouldn't have hurt him to have serverd 4 yrs. in the army, navy, etc......wouldn't have to be a war for a man to proudly stand up and serve the USA .... but not obama.....he didn't even like usa flag lapels
How are you attempting to turn service records into a pro for Romney and a con for Obama? They both failed to serve. Romney put effort into not serving during wartime. If you really want to make this some sort of deciding factor, Obama is the lesser of two evils.

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#141 Oct 2, 2012
Wings of a Dove wrote:
<quoted text>I looked thru Deuteronomy, Kings, Chronicles, Exodus. It tells of the book of the covenant, but I am looking for the details of the book. It was placed in the Ark just prior to Moses going up on the mt. Was the Law written in the book?
Kind of related to this topic, as a Mormon, we use two books that were translated from old scrolls found with Egyptian artifacts. They were found to be the Book of Abraham, and the Book of Moses. They are interesting reads if you care to broaden your horizons.
Brady

London, KY

#142 Oct 4, 2012
_Ummm_ wrote:
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How are you attempting to turn service records into a pro for Romney and a con for Obama? They both failed to serve. Romney put effort into not serving during wartime. If you really want to make this some sort of deciding factor, Obama is the lesser of two evils.
Obama is the lesser of the two evils....agreed....Obama will let me keep my food stamps the other dude may cut them out....I don't think I should work when I am a citizen and the illegals come up here to work...let them do it. I have the right to be took care of and Obama realizes that! I agree with Obama taking from the rich and giving to the poor. So take from the illegals and give to the legals....I have had it good with Obama...got lot of paid health care bills I have 5 children and if I work don't qualify for help therefore I can't afford to work and Obama understands this.

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#143 Oct 4, 2012
Brady wrote:
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Obama is the lesser of the two evils....agreed....Obama will let me keep my food stamps the other dude may cut them out....I don't think I should work when I am a citizen and the illegals come up here to work...let them do it. I have the right to be took care of and Obama realizes that! I agree with Obama taking from the rich and giving to the poor. So take from the illegals and give to the legals....I have had it good with Obama...got lot of paid health care bills I have 5 children and if I work don't qualify for help therefore I can't afford to work and Obama understands this.
Oh, stop it. Everyone with a brain knows that you are a shill. Do you really think this fools anyone?

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#144 Oct 4, 2012
Brady wrote:
<quoted text>Obama is the lesser of the two evils....agreed....Obama will let me keep my food stamps the other dude may cut them out....I don't think I should work when I am a citizen and the illegals come up here to work...let them do it. I have the right to be took care of and Obama realizes that! I agree with Obama taking from the rich and giving to the poor. So take from the illegals and give to the legals....I have had it good with Obama...got lot of paid health care bills I have 5 children and if I work don't qualify for help therefore I can't afford to work and Obama understands this.
You are entirely incorrect in your assumption about this. You feel entitled to rewards from the government because you were born here. Wrong. If all Americans felt this way, the country would have not lasted a year.
You are describing a monarchy in which you desire to be the king/queen and have all the peasants serve you while you do nothing. That is not a democracy. This attitude is exactly why food stamps should be reserved for the ones that cannot physically work to sustain their family. Your lack of desire to work for what you receive, is not a disability.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#145 Oct 4, 2012
do whut wrote:
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You are entirely incorrect in your assumption about this. You feel entitled to rewards from the government because you were born here. Wrong. If all Americans felt this way, the country would have not lasted a year.
You are describing a monarchy in which you desire to be the king/queen and have all the peasants serve you while you do nothing. That is not a democracy. This attitude is exactly why food stamps should be reserved for the ones that cannot physically work to sustain their family. Your lack of desire to work for what you receive, is not a disability.
That is not the opinion of a real person. Don't bother responding thoughtfully. They probably agree with you in real life.
Brady

London, KY

#146 Oct 4, 2012
do whut wrote:
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You are entirely incorrect in your assumption about this. You feel entitled to rewards from the government because you were born here. Wrong. If all Americans felt this way, the country would have not lasted a year.
You are describing a monarchy in which you desire to be the king/queen and have all the peasants serve you while you do nothing. That is not a democracy. This attitude is exactly why food stamps should be reserved for the ones that cannot physically work to sustain their family. Your lack of desire to work for what you receive, is not a disability.
well i draw for my disability

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