danny

London, KY

#1 Aug 27, 2012
Would you topix people think that if someone has to have alcohol on the daily basis they are a alcoholic?? I think those people are a disgrace!!! Lord have mercy on them...
KNEE-MAILS

London, KY

#3 Aug 27, 2012
danny wrote:
Would you topix people think that if someone has to have alcohol on the daily basis they are a alcoholic?? I think those people are a disgrace!!! Lord have mercy on them...
Let's pray for these people & hope they recover....best & only course of action!!!!

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#4 Aug 27, 2012
KNEE-MAILS wrote:
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Let's pray for these people & hope they recover....best & only course of action!!!!
Or, they could simply take some responsibility for themselves and put down the booze.

Nah, that would never work.
Sassy

London, KY

#5 Aug 27, 2012
danny wrote:
Would you topix people think that if someone has to have alcohol on the daily basis they are a alcoholic?? I think those people are a disgrace!!! Lord have mercy on them...
Alcoholism is a disease that slowly but surely will kill you if you don't get the proper help....it can & will destroy you!

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#6 Aug 27, 2012
Alcohol, cigarettes, food, child pornography, rape, murder... addiction to anything is a "disease" if you want to use the word in that way. But really, it's just BS.

Graves disease is a disease. Multiple sclerosis is a disease. Chron's disease is a disease. These things damage you, maim you, make you suffer, and you aren't given any choice in the matter. For an addiction, all you have to do is put the crap down and the negatives of their abuse are gone. Calling these self inflicted conditions a "disease" is probably pretty insulting to people who have real diseases.

http://www.soberforever.net/alcoholism-diseas...
Matrix

Jamestown, KY

#8 Sep 1, 2012
_Ummm_ wrote:
Alcohol, cigarettes, food, child pornography, rape, murder... addiction to anything is a "disease" if you want to use the word in that way. But really, it's just BS.
Graves disease is a disease. Multiple sclerosis is a disease. Chron's disease is a disease. These things damage you, maim you, make you suffer, and you aren't given any choice in the matter. For an addiction, all you have to do is put the crap down and the negatives of their abuse are gone. Calling these self inflicted conditions a "disease" is probably pretty insulting to people who have real diseases.
http://www.soberforever.net/alcoholism-diseas...
i do not refer to it as such either, "allergy" fits much better, i like the saint jude's approach but they sacrifice the truth for a profit the same as many others. many people begin drinking with control but lose control over time and don't notice it. the "true" alcoholic may have little if any control from the beginning, because their brain breaks the molecule down into one closely resembling heroin and they get a "high" from it that most people don't. chronic abuse creates mountain of social, financial, physical and mental problems that would overwhelm the abilities of most CEO's, that must be resolved by a brain with a serious chemical imbalance when the person is finally able to stop using. the chronic chemical conditioning will make it virtually impossible for the reformed drinker to visit old friends and locations without discomfort or the return of "craving". fortunately, there are now a variety of effective recovery programs to choose from and most work very well if the program is simple enough to become a healthy habit or routine in a short period of time. 12 step programs seem to be the easiest, particularly when treated as "cafeteria plans" (try everything they offer, keep what works for you and leave the rest) i use many things in my healthy living program today, but the 12steps are still the backbone of it. i have been clean and sober without relapse for over 10 years but got rid of the disease concept during my first 6 months, have not used it since and would not suggest that anyone try it. its too controversial,too comnplicated and too offensive to be of any use in a "simple" recovery program. "allergy" or "acquired allergy" have worked just fine for me.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#9 Sep 1, 2012
Matrix wrote:
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i do not refer to it as such either, "allergy" fits much better, i like the saint jude's approach but they sacrifice the truth for a profit the same as many others. many people begin drinking with control but lose control over time and don't notice it. the "true" alcoholic may have little if any control from the beginning, because their brain breaks the molecule down into one closely resembling heroin and they get a "high" from it that most people don't. chronic abuse creates mountain of social, financial, physical and mental problems that would overwhelm the abilities of most CEO's, that must be resolved by a brain with a serious chemical imbalance when the person is finally able to stop using. the chronic chemical conditioning will make it virtually impossible for the reformed drinker to visit old friends and locations without discomfort or the return of "craving". fortunately, there are now a variety of effective recovery programs to choose from and most work very well if the program is simple enough to become a healthy habit or routine in a short period of time. 12 step programs seem to be the easiest, particularly when treated as "cafeteria plans" (try everything they offer, keep what works for you and leave the rest) i use many things in my healthy living program today, but the 12steps are still the backbone of it. i have been clean and sober without relapse for over 10 years but got rid of the disease concept during my first 6 months, have not used it since and would not suggest that anyone try it. its too controversial,too comnplicated and too offensive to be of any use in a "simple" recovery program. "allergy" or "acquired allergy" have worked just fine for me.
Good points. I hadn't considered a comparison to an allergy, but it does seem to make good sense on a conceptual level.

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