Ohio EPA cites area for soot problems

Ohio EPA cites area for soot problems

There are 25 comments on the Akron Beacon Journal story from Jan 10, 2008, titled Ohio EPA cites area for soot problems. In it, Akron Beacon Journal reports that:

It's official: Summit, Stark, Portage, Medina and Cuyahoga counties have bigger problems with microscopic soot.

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m from stark

Atkinson, NH

#1 Jan 10, 2008
"Ohio counties must comply with the tighter federal soot limits by April 2012 or face sanctions."

what more can the governments do to the rebel counties, take away our air? They've already taken jobs, homes and more taxes, there is not much left.
MORONS

Bedford, OH

#2 Jan 10, 2008
m from stark wrote:
"Ohio counties must comply with the tighter federal soot limits by April 2012 or face sanctions."
what more can the governments do to the rebel counties, take away our air? They've already taken jobs, homes and more taxes, there is not much left.
Don't forget smoking, lap dances, nearly abolished drinking, trying to take away BBQ grills and outdoor fireplaces.

“Lohio Bound”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#3 Jan 10, 2008
m from stark wrote:
what more can the governments do to the rebel counties, take away our air? They've already taken jobs, homes and more taxes, there is not much left.
There's always the blackmail method of withholding federal highway dollars, used repeatedly against states concerning speed limits and drunk driving enforcement.

ABJ - nice pic, but what does relative water vapor coming out of the stacks at Gavin have anything to do with this story?
jjp

Charlotte, NC

#4 Jan 10, 2008
you know, i never ever remember driving into downtown Akron, and being maybe 2 miles from it and seeing a completely grey colored smog sky. I've only been away 3 years...but everyday i drive into Charlotte starting about 2 miles away, the whole downtown skyline is filthy. I don't understand how Summit county, has dirtier air, I just don't. I don't remember that many days with ozone alerts...I sure remember them down here sometimes for weeks on end.

I just don't see it...Ohio's Summit county air dirtier than Charlotte NC.
Kathleen Tietz

AOL

#5 Jan 10, 2008
When I was about to get married in 1972, I told my girlfriend where I'd be living. She replied,"Yuck, Akron is a dirty tire town!"
I also can remember when the Old Ohio Edison Plant,(when it was by Gorge Blv.) would "blow it's stacks", there was a reddish powder on my car!... I lived on Annapolis Ave.!
Medina Reader

Akron, OH

#6 Jan 10, 2008
This photo for this article is for all idiots who don't know better. What you see out of that stack is water condensation not pollution. You think $3.00 gas is bad. Just wait until CO2 sequestering is legislated and coal is banned. Your electric bill will be five times what it is today.

“HOOD TAX!”

Since: Dec 07

OHIO

#7 Jan 10, 2008
RTA's buses add to this problem! They don't buy "Green Engines" cause they purchase department is full of INCOMPETENTS!

OCEANA - A "GREEN" ARMED CAMP
m from stark

Atkinson, NH

#8 Jan 10, 2008
Scooter Moonpie wrote:
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There's always the blackmail method of withholding federal highway dollars, used repeatedly against states concerning speed limits and drunk driving enforcement.
ABJ - nice pic, but what does relative water vapor coming out of the stacks at Gavin have anything to do with this story?
You're right I forgot about the blackmail $, we could have a choice of dirty air or orange barrels. But then if the master computer fails then we can't get licenses.....
Mary Grimmett Trent

AOL

#9 Jan 10, 2008
m from stark wrote:
"Ohio counties must comply with the tighter federal soot limits by April 2012 or face sanctions."
what more can the governments do to the rebel counties, take away our air? They've already taken jobs, homes and more taxes, there is not much left.
The government is not who is taking jobs, homes, and more taxes, it is the politicians. Agencies are there to protect the citizens. If you want to make changes you have to begin with the legislators and legislation. Politicians and companies are to blame for the high amounts of pollutants in Summit County not the agencies. Stark county is no different than Summit County. You have to begin where you vote is. The people have voted in all the past legislation that allowed this problem. The agencies have to do what the law states. You need to begin where the high pockets are and work your way down. Do not blame the agencies for our own decisions at the poll. You are just making excuses and looking for an escape goat.
callitlikeiseeit

Ashtabula, OH

#10 Jan 10, 2008
e-check is such a success!
RACISM

Bedford, OH

#11 Jan 10, 2008
Let's get some racist comments rolling here.
Use Common Sense

Kent, OH

#12 Jan 10, 2008
The OEPA Nazi's have had this planned all along, they're just following the plan.
First it's echeck, then they take away the barbeque grills, indoor & outdoor fireplaces. Also heavy regulations on lawmowers, weedeaters, fuel oil (if you think fuel oil costs are high now wait till the bad guys add their costs to it), gasoline, etc. and etc.. When I read the plan on this a few years ago they were proposing tight controls on septic tanks, water runoff, DIRT ROADS..(if you live near a dirt road guess who's going to be assessed the cost to pave it?), and even when you rototill your garden. Some of these Nazi's initiative have already been implemented,(echeck and septic systems to name a few).
These guys have found an area with spineless legislators, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT CALL AND ASK WHAT YOURS IS DOING TO TO PREVENT THIS.(Sorry for shouting). Oh yeah and why you have them on the phone, ask them if the were the ones that "Secretly" voted to allow echeck to be extended, remember they had a voice count on echeck so that there was no documentation on how they voted. Gee, I wonder why?

“I'm as Mad as Hell...”

Since: Mar 07

Your Neighbor & Friend

#13 Jan 10, 2008
Scooter Moonpie wrote:
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ABJ - nice pic, but what does relative water vapor coming out of the stacks at Gavin have anything to do with this story?
Neo-con fear journalism to scare the ignorant into compliance. A convenient lie. Sieg Heil OEPA!
HudsonHusband

Alsip, IL

#14 Jan 10, 2008
jjp wrote:
you know, i never ever remember driving into downtown Akron, and being maybe 2 miles from it and seeing a completely grey colored smog sky. I've only been away 3 years...but everyday i drive into Charlotte starting about 2 miles away, the whole downtown skyline is filthy. I don't understand how Summit county, has dirtier air, I just don't. I don't remember that many days with ozone alerts...I sure remember them down here sometimes for weeks on end.
I just don't see it...Ohio's Summit county air dirtier than Charlotte NC.
well in the last several years I get this black film on my desk and windows. wonder what the EPA is goign to do about all of the coal trains that roll through summitt county at a fast rat eof speed and have all that coal dust jsut fly into the air.. they go after the poor consumer, but not the real causes fo the problems
CC Baxter

Dayton, OH

#15 Jan 10, 2008
I understand that some government regulations can be onerous and of questionable validity, but nearly every person on this board seems to be implying that there is absolutely no need for any environmental regulations whatsoever.

I don't think E-Check is effective either, but the way that people complain you would think that it was the equivalent of a gold Star of David on the back.

Sure E-Check is a symbolic gesture that doesn't really accomplish much of anything, but then again, symbolic gestures without substance are the basis of our entire bizarre American culture.

As far as septic regulations are concerned, it doesn't seem that unreasonable to have mechanisms in place that prevent you from drinking your own shit.

Of course environmental protection costs money - that's the cost of civilization. You can reasonably argue about the specifics, but it seems that many people rail against the entire concept.

If everyone other than farmers lived in cities and towns, like a civilized society does, you wouldn't need that septic system anyway. Just another example of Americans wanting to have their cake and eat it too: I want to have a huge yard in the middle of nowhere, but I don't want to pay for any of the true costs myself. I want to drive a gas-guzzling SUV all over God's green earth, but I will bitch and moan when the gasoline gets expensive and blame it on a government conspiracy (Oh, and by the way, I want the government to build me roads, but I don't want anyone else to use them, and I don't want to pay taxes for them.)
Flacido Domingo

Akron, OH

#16 Jan 10, 2008
CC Baxter wrote:
I understand that some government regulations can be onerous and of questionable validity, but nearly every person on this board seems to be implying that there is absolutely no need for any environmental regulations whatsoever.
I don't think E-Check is effective either, but the way that people complain you would think that it was the equivalent of a gold Star of David on the back.
Sure E-Check is a symbolic gesture that doesn't really accomplish much of anything, but then again, symbolic gestures without substance are the basis of our entire bizarre American culture.
As far as septic regulations are concerned, it doesn't seem that unreasonable to have mechanisms in place that prevent you from drinking your own shit.
Of course environmental protection costs money - that's the cost of civilization. You can reasonably argue about the specifics, but it seems that many people rail against the entire concept.
If everyone other than farmers lived in cities and towns, like a civilized society does, you wouldn't need that septic system anyway. Just another example of Americans wanting to have their cake and eat it too: I want to have a huge yard in the middle of nowhere, but I don't want to pay for any of the true costs myself. I want to drive a gas-guzzling SUV all over God's green earth, but I will bitch and moan when the gasoline gets expensive and blame it on a government conspiracy (Oh, and by the way, I want the government to build me roads, but I don't want anyone else to use them, and I don't want to pay taxes for them.)
Let's not forget that the EPA is a bureaucracy that, like all bureaucracies, must find ways to continually justify its own existence. The EPA does a lot of good, but it also has the capability (again like all bureaucracies) to take an issue and blow it completely out of proportion to help maintain its own status quo.
Use Common Sense

Kent, OH

#18 Jan 10, 2008
CC Baxter..

Spoken like a true spineless liberal democrat.
U R correct

Strongsville, OH

#19 Jan 10, 2008
Scooter Moonpie wrote:
<quoted text>
There's always the blackmail method of withholding federal highway dollars, used repeatedly against states concerning speed limits and drunk driving enforcement.
ABJ - nice pic, but what does relative water vapor coming out of the stacks at Gavin have anything to do with this story?
U R Correct
Use Common Sense

Kent, OH

#20 Jan 10, 2008
CCBaxter.. I had to read your words over and over because I couldn't believe that anyone born in a free country could think this way. I generally don't pick apart,(too badly), other posts but I can't help myself in this case.

"If everyone other than farmers lived in cities and towns, like a civilized society does, you wouldn't need that septic system anyway. Just another example of Americans wanting to have their cake and eat it too: I want to have a huge yard in the middle of nowhere, but I don't want to pay for any of the true costs myself."

I own a small ranch in Summit County and I do "pay for any of the true costs myself". I pride myself for not asking anyone for anything. The septic issue is simply a means to control urban spraw in this area, it has nothing to do with whether one drinks his own pee or not. Here's the common sense of it all... if the whole idea of maintainin septic systems is the EPA Nazi's real goal, why did they double the price for repairs and new installs with their added fees?!? Here's why.. the price of these fees is going towards yet another beauracracy that is a branch of the OEPA. Also the high cost of putting in a new septic systems ensures that many people who want to move away from the towns and cities cannot afford to do so. The original idea was to charge anyone with a septic tank $35.00 per year to inspect it, the only problem was that the fee was imposed yearly but they were actually going to check it once every 5 years, this made people mad enough to grab their pitch forks and flame sticks... myself included.

"symbolic gestures without substance are the basis of our entire bizarre American culture"

WOW, are you kidding me!! There's so many things wrong with that statement, I don't even know where to start.

"If everyone other than farmers lived in cities and towns, like a civilized society does, you wouldn't need that septic system anyway."

I believe that in the land of the free, you should make your own decision where you live. I certainly don't want my family subjected to the thuggery of any civilized towns like Akron. Hell at least in the suburbs I can have a clean "kill zone" so when the gangsta come to my territory I can use a rifle.
City Worker

Dayton, OH

#21 Jan 10, 2008
The EPA sounds like a certain sci-fi movie: let's put Trumbull and Mahoning counties in the "bad"
group merely because they are likely to be "bad" later. What happened to not being guilty until you commit the actual crime?

Also looks like I'll be buying my gas in Wayne County in the future. Of course, I'll probably be waiting in line to do so, behind all the others from the "bad" counties buying their gas in nearby cheaper counties.

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