Monterey Park, CA
No Ethic From JUST PAWS PETS (Arcadia, CA) - sad story
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Buying from pet shops helps keep puppy mills alive! Why would you buy an overpriced dog, when you could get a good price on a healthy home raised purebred from a REPUTABLE breeder?!
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It so much that all of you are just a bunch of cry babies if you would only take care of your animals the right way you would not have to go through a vet. Besides I hear my niece, daughter, or son's pet is ill maybe to start of they were to young to take care of an animal....maybe the reason the pet got ill was that their was NO responsible person to assist in taking care of the pet to begin with. A pet is not a toy to buy your niece, daughter, or son.
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this comment did not come from sedona, AZ it came from rialto CA.
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I did buy my Maltese pup from this store. However, before I purchased her, I did my homework and took none of their recommendations. They told me she was AKC registered- I asked for her paper work and I was able to look up her AKC number (as well as her parents and her breeders) and saw that she did not come from a puppy mill, but from a reputable breeder in AK.
However, when I brought her home, I DID NOT go to the vet that they recommended. Something just told me to go to the vet of my choice and pay the fee knowing that she would get great care.(The vet they provide is supposed to be free- but still, I chose not to use it.) AND I AM SO GLAD THAT I TOOK HER TO MY OWN VET!!!! WELL WORTH THE EXTRA MONEY!! Not only did my poor puppy suffer from parasites (Coccidia & Giardia) but she also suffered from major anxiety. Because she was kept caged for so long (I believe that she was in the store for about 1 month before we purchased her) she suffered from major over dependency. Whenever we would have to leave our house we'd crate her (for training and her own safety purposes) and she'd freak out like no tomorrow. Not to mention that she most likely got the parasites from the dog that she shared the cage with. I noticed that when I went back a couple of times later, fecal matter sits in the cage for god knows how long before its cleaned up. Other than that, my pup is slowly adapting. She still cries when we leave, but we now have to keep her enclosed in our kitchen and free to run around. So of course, house training her will now be delayed. I don't regret buying my baby from there because she now is my love and joy. But please, BUYER BEWARE!!! Do your homework and make sure that you take your pet to the vet of your choice- not their recommendations. I just shudder to think what they could have missed, or even neglected if I took her to their vet. |
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On a recent trip to the Westfield Valencia Town Center I was disgusted to discover that Just Paws Pets sells puppies. This is very troubling for me because I work so hard to help animals by being a volunteer for the L.A City Shelters, a volunteer for a local animal rescue group, and as an employee for a Simi Valley Veterinary Clinic, and stores like Just Paws Pets only perpetuate the things I, and many others strive to decrease in our community such as: the needless euthanizing of animals in our local shelters due to an over pet population problem, backyard breeders, and the selling of puppy mill puppies from pet stores.
Instead of paying $800-$4,000 for a Just Paws Pets' puppy;as was quoted to me over the phone, a person can rescue a shelter pup for under $100;and you're saving a life! I spoke with a Just Paws Pets' employee, and he said that the puppies they sell come from Mid-West breeders...AKA PUPPY MILLS. The puppies are then shipped to California where they await there next home. Pet stores rely on impulsive buyers and a staff of employees with limited knowledge about pets and pet care. How many employees have done research on the company (which by the way on their website don't even divulge the whereabouts of places these puppies come from!), researched puppy mills, spoken with owners of pet store puppies, volunteer for their local animal shelter or rescue groups?? I'm sure the employees have a love of animals, and working with puppies all day long would be a wonderful prospect, however, think about what you are endorsing just by representing a company that sells pets for profit. Also, some employees and potential buyers think because the puppies are AKC registered that means something important; but that does not guarantee the quality of the breeder or the dog; I see this first-hand since I've worked at a veterinary clinic for several years. Pet store puppies have medical problems...some are mild, but most of the time the health issues they face are severe; every owner of a pet store puppy that I have spoken to has said that their puppy has numerous medical and/or behavioral issues! Owners spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on their puppies only to have them pass away or to find that the health problem(s) will be a life-long struggle for their pet. Potential buyers often feel bad for the puppies thinking they want to rescue them from the pet store, but if you give in you are only creating a demand and you leave an empty box for the next puppy, which puts money into the wrong people's hands. Every single day dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens are euthanized in our local shelters and by having a store like Just Paws Pets sell puppies in which they are not spayed and neutered before leaving, and by not giving people the incentive to get money back if the owners do spay and neuter is only going to add to the over pet population we have. Please urge your friends and family to not buy pet store puppies from the Westfield Valencia Town Center and any store, which sells puppies for profit. Do what is right for man's best friend and stop the demand for pet store puppies and save a life that is in need of saving by going to your local shelters and rescue groups. PLEASE don't be naive and believe that pet stores sell puppies for the love of providing healthy puppies to families, that is about as ludicrous as saying that car salesmen care about you when you go in to buy a car...you aren't their friend and they don't care what you do with the car once you buy it; it is a business and so are pet stores, and as such money is the bottom line, and always will be. Don't support this horrible industry by creating a demand, don't buy a puppy being sold for profit!!!! Check out: www.stoppuppymills.org for more information. |
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The last sentence in the third paragraph should have read: The puppies are then shipped to California where they await THEIR next home...sorry, I hate typos! Hope I didn't make any others.
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The fact that the person who wrote the post above says that the “posts are ridiculous” yet writes one themselves is very ironic and saying animal activists are “internet whores with nothing better to do” is laughable…animal activists = internet whores, that is a very intellectual and insightful comment! By saying that animals have a “voice through people who know how to go about it the right way”—defin e the “right” way. There are many ways to have a “voice” be heard and writing is one such way. If you don’t like it, and condemn it, you are part of the problem and not part of the solution, which is only made more concrete by the fact that you purchased two puppies from a pet store. You can speak about yourself and your “wonderful experiences” with Just Paws Pets, but just because you think you are one of the lucky ones, don’t say Just Paws Pets has provided “tons of families” with “awesome pets”—you don’t know that, so it isn’t a fact. Just because a puppy seems healthy at the time of purchase and even if it is lucky enough to not have medical issues, the larger issue is where the puppies are coming from and the parents that are left behind in misery to continue breeding. No humane and reputable breeder would allow their puppies to be sold through a pet store where they couldn’t interview potential owners themselves and know where their dog’s puppies were going to end up. And no educated buyer would purchase a puppy without seeing the parents of the puppy (you can judge temperament and you can also address medical issues), especially when you are looking at spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars!!! If you do buy a puppy from pet store for that kind of money with very little information about it besides a piece of paper with the name of its parents and what state it came from, then I can get you a great deal on the Brooklyn Bridge!
I also have to address the comment, “The usda checks every single legal dog sold in America.” I went to the USDA’s website and searched puppy mills and this information came up, which stated: “The Humane Society estimates that at least 10,000 U.S. puppy mills, most of them unlicensed and unmonitored, are producing up to 4 million puppies a year.” Therefore, the USDA does not check every single legal dog/puppy being sold in the U.S., because many puppies being sold to pet stores are coming from unlicensed and unmonitored breeders. Also, commercial breeders who are licensed through the USDA are watched by APHIS (Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service) and on the APHIS website (www.aphis.usda.gov) it states, “To ensure that the standards are maintained, APHIS periodically conducts unannounced inspections of the business and its animals. If the inspector finds problems, APHIS instructs the owner to correct them. If violations are severe or are not corrected by a given date, APHIS can take legal action to enforce the requirements.” PERIODICAL is the key word…that could be once every year or two or three that an inspection is done and even so, if the conditions are horrible the breeder has time to change it, instead of being closed down. Also, licensed breeders are required to provide food, water, and shelter—but not love, socialization, or freedom from confining cages. I believe this isn’t a waste of time, because there is a lot of misinformation out there and misinformed people, I don’t know everything, but I do my best to stay informed and do research from reputable government and non-profit websites. If my post can get someone to stop and think, then I have done my part to be a voice for many animals that live in misery. |
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1 As for advocating adoptions but not purchases... well thats a bit hypocritical. After all, I've worked for and volunteered at BH Small animal hospital, various shelters, and even the SPCA. The puppies I bought at JP were treated just as well as any of the dogs I worked with at those places. BETTER in most cases. See, the benefits of selling dogs for profit is you can AFFORD to provide them with the best care. And if you honestly think the people working there don't love them then you are a sad and bitter human. And I stand by my "internet whore" comment fully. A friend pointed me to this forum after thinking of buying a puppy from JP as well. So you know, he purchased a Papillon who is 100% fine and wonderful... and VERY social! I'm sorry to say that 1 or 2 people have bad experiences and the rest of you have either made up lies or complained needlessly because of your bitter brainwashed behaviors. Please save your uninformed posts for someone who is unintelligent and might buy into your bitter world. P.S.- I also own a Chow mix that I adopted from a local shelter. I was lied to about her age, she HAD parasites (Guardia and coccidia), and was obviously an abused puppy. I love her endlessly but I've had WAY less trouble buying my pets than adopting. And thats what you pay for... convenience. |
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1 Let me start by clarifying a few things. You state that “I also own a Chow mix that I adopted from a local shelter. I was lied to about her age, she HAD parasites (Guardia and coccidia), and was obviously an abused puppy.” First of all, the shelter didn’t lie to you about the dogs’ age. If you worked with animals at all or did a little research about the dog you were adopting, you would probably have found out that the dog was a stray. In that case of course the shelter would not know the exact age of the dog. If you worked in an animal hospital, like you claim, think about when owners bring in their own personal dogs and ask about the age of the animal. The vet examines the animal and looks at the teeth to give an approximate age, not a definite age. You claim she had parasites. Oh yeah, as a side note, La Guardia is an airport, not a parasite. I can only assume you meant giardia, a parasitic flagellate that parasitizes the small intestines of many mammals, but you know all to well my friend what happens when you assume. Maybe there is a disease or parasite known as “Guardia”. Maybe it comes from shipping puppy mill puppies across the United States. I will have to do more research on that. Maybe it’s in this months’ issue of DVM News. I haven’t read that issue yet. Back to the point at hand, giardia and coccidia are both common parasites found in canines. Most shelter animal will have these parasites or others due to the fact they are stray animals and drinking contaminated water while waiting to be taken off the street. The puppies at the pet stores are loaded with parasites as well. The only difference is that the pet store loads the puppies with anti-parasitic medication like albon or panacur to name a couple. Go to the pet store ask them what the puppies have been treated for. I’m sure they will tell you that they have been treated for parasites as well as a number of other ailments. I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard for you to find out this information, now would it wow? The fact that your dog from the shelter had parasites is no shock to me. Think about the over crowding at the shelters due to pet store selling unaltered animals. The fact that your animal was abused is just a sad look at our society in general. It’s not the animals fault he was abused. It’s just lucky we have kind and concerned people who are willing to adopt and rehabilitate animals that are abused, like wow. Most of the abused dogs will be euthanized due to the fact people are afraid to give them a second chance. It’s just sad. So many of mans best friends being put down because people are afraid to work with them. One last thing, to call people “internet whores” when you yourself are partaking in the activity is very ironic. You must have very low self esteem. I guess that happens when you work at a pet store for too long. Calling people names only shows your ignorance and immaturity, a typically pet store employee attitude. You know what I say though. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and some of them stink. Wow, yours stinks. Again, another reason your self titled name is so appropriate. Wow! Your opinion stinks! |
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Ignorance by definition means to be uneducated or uninformed. Having facts and doing research to educate yourself and having opinions does not mean you are ignorant. Choosing to ignore the fact that purchasing puppies for profit endorses a business practice that is inhumane is your choice. WOW stated that the USDA checks every single puppy, which was a misleading comment. If you were not accurate you should have been more clear. You clarify by saying that what you meant to say was that the USDA had checked the breeding facility where your puppies were produced at some point in time, but the USDA website admits that those checks are done far and few in between. That does not mean that your particular puppy was checked by a USDA inspector. Also, you are sadly mistaken and extremely naive (yet again), if you believe that just because someone can afford an $800 puppy that they can/would be a responsible owner and financially responsible for it, however, money cannot buy brains or compassion (obviously). Likewise, it is unfortunate that not everyone who can afford to pay $800 for a pup can keep up with thousands of dollars on vet bills for their sick puppy. If a person is dead set on purchasing a pedigree pup and shelters or rescue groups are not for them, then go to a local responsible breeder, who interviews potential buyers, who breeds their dog for the love of the breed, not to make their wallet bigger. See the parents of your pup, know the history of the parents, and know the people who you are getting your pup from. Are there no Papillion breeders in all of California??!! Why must puppies be shipped across country for your convenience?! Talk about hypocritical!
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I advocate adoptions first and for most because animals are being euthanized needlessly.
WOW--I called BH Small Animal Hospital and asked the receptionist if buying a puppy from a pet store was a good idea and she said that it would depend on which pet store I was buying from because she said that most of the puppies from pet stores are sick. I have a feeling if I called around most, if not all, of the veterinary clinics would offer me the same advice. I would have figured that for someone who says they have volunteered for a vet clinic, shelters, and the SPCA WOW would be more knowledgeable. WOW said that the puppies he/she bought at Just Paws Pets were treated just as well as any of the dogs he/she worked with at those places and BETTER in most cases. Comparing puppies at a pet store versus animals at the shelter is an interesting comparison. First, the puppies at the pet store are often, if not always, loaded with parasites because they are coming from puppy mills, and they are often times placed with other puppies in the same cage at the pet store, which means if one puppy has Giardia, or fleas, Coccidia, or an upper respiratory infection, that means the rest of the puppies most likely will get Giardia, tape worms, Coccidia and/or an upper respiratory infection because they are sharing the same area, water, and bathroom area. Likewise, animals at the shelter can get such parasites and infections as well because they are sharing close quarters. Parasites are easily transferred and I'm sure your puppies were treated with the same kinds of medicines that puppies/dogs at the shelter are treated with. So, lets not act like only puppies/dogs from the shelters have parasites. Also, pet stores have a low quantity of puppies compared to the shelters, which means they can give more one-on-one attention to the puppies. For example, I called Just Paws Pets at the Valencia location today and asked them how many puppies they have for sale and the woman said 30. So, likewise, I checked the East Valley Shelter and found out that they have 247 dogs for adoption, 40 of which are PUPPIES, ranging from Chihuahuas, Boxers, a Miniature Pinscher, English Bulldog, Terrier Mix, German Shepherd Mix, Akita Mix, American Staffordshire Terrier Mixes, Chow Mix, Yellow Labrador Mixes, German Shorthair Pointer, Pomeranian Chihuahua Mixes, Wheaten Terrier Welsh Corgi Cardigan Mixes, and a Border Collie!! The L.A. City Shelters have a paid and volunteer staff, all of which care a tremendous amount about these dogs, however, the purpose of city shelters is to keep stray animals off the street to keep the animals safe and also the public, and to have a location where people can turn in animals that they cannot care for. The L.A. City Shelters have just been renovated to make room for more animals and to be more aesthetically pleasing, but they will never have the "cute feel" of a pet store. The animals at the shelter do not get sprayed with perfume, sometimes they get groomed, but that usually is not the norm, they do not get fed the best food possible, they lie on concrete floors instead of cute baby blankets, they get fed a random mixture of kibble, and even though sometimes volunteers play with them, they often just sit in their kennels all day long with no play time or little attention, because the shelter is not a store where the owners are scamming potential buyers into spending an obscene amount of money for a puppy that was bred purely for profit, the shelter is there to adopt animals out so they won't have to euthanize them in order to make room for more animals being found or dropped off. |
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WOW says the benefits of selling dogs for profit is you can AFFORD to provide them with the best care...I guess WOW is right, those puppies at the pet store get paraded around and get a lovely small plastic box to sleep in and get material perks and attention, but the puppies who truly need homes are at the shelter right now...why are we selling puppies from different states when just at one shelter we have 247 dogs-40 of which are puppies need homes!!?? It makes no sense!
Collectively, today, if you add-up all the dogs that need homes in the L.A. Shelters (total of 6 shelters) that number is 1,030 and of that 1,030, 208 are under 1 year old!!! These local dogs and puppies need loving homes and for those who adopt you will be saving a life! Also, the shelter vaccinates, spays/neuters all pets and microchips them before they go home, which is a huge savings and also helps to keep your pet healthy and safe. Lastly, convenience is not a legitimate reason for buying a puppy at a pet store...if you are all about convenience WOW you probably shouldn't own a puppy in the first place. Raising a puppy is anything but convenient-I hope you won't be like so many other impulsive buyers who after the puppy's charm wears-off you take it to the shelter at 6 months old because it isn't convenient for you anymore. All you did WOW was endorse a business that feeds off of uneducated, impulsive buyers, who have good intentions of wanting to give a pet a home, but in reality they are supporting a business in which dogs are treated like agriculture, in which they are mass-produced without discretion, shipped, and then sold to the highest bidder. I know it must be hard to admit WOW, but you helped to support an industry that does not care one iota about being humane. |
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For anyone who is interested I found a video, which exposes an Indiana puppy mill...
http://youtube.com/watch... Another a video that exposes puppy mills... http://youtube.com/watch... |
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If you looking to buy a healthy pet, find a dog breeder. It's not that much more difficult, its probably going to save you a lot of money and you can contribute to the efforts to stop the horrors of puppy mills.
Pet stores probably charge so much for their sickly dogs because they have to pay the middle man. Puppy mills do not directly sell to pet stores. They sell to a broker who then sells it to the pet store. Obviously, it increases the price for a puppy that is unhealthy. Prospective buyers could easily avoid encounter the problems that many who've posted here have if they just do some research before hand. Besides, buying a dog is an investment that should not be taken lightly. |
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I had no idea about these horror stories about Just Paws Pets. Yes, I was an impulsive buyer. My husband feel in love with the dog and we had to take her home. Well, it's been two weeks and she still has giardia. We've given her the proper medications, but since she's been given fenbendazole since she was a puppy, she is immune to it. We now have to give her metronidazole, which sounds like a drug with crazy side effects. I really hope she's going to be okay. I love her so much already. I really regret supporting the puppy mills, but I don't know what to do except for take care of her as much as I possibly can. I'm going to tell everyone I know to not go near that damn store. We've already spent over $700 on her vet bills. Monrovia Medical Center or whatever over charged us for everything!! Free initial consult is a bunch of BS because she tacks on all this other stuff to charge you with. We had to do a fecal exam that cost $70! We decided to enroll in Petsmart's Banfield (which we know isn't the best, but they have a wellness plan). We of course had to do another fecal exam for their records. But this time it only cost $30. Dr. Gueniat bullies you into getting services and medications for your pet. If you don't agree with her, she makes you feel like you are a bad pet owner.
But with all that said, I really hope my 10 week old Siberian Husky will be okay. She's having some crazy temper tantrums, but I hope it's just because she's being a puppy. Also, I hope her giardia goes away soon. Poor thing. |
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I cannot believe what im reading. You people all sound bitter and crazy. If you have a legit case take it court and sue. Otherwise try using facts to back up you arguments instead of useless hearsay. I do not work for the pet store no do I support buying pets that could be from puppy mills but I will say this as a person who cares about pets I find the tactics used by some and I say some rescue groups, pet stores and pet fanatics borders need of serious mental help. If they were really committing act of blatant animal cruelty they would have be shut down by now. So lets see some facts people.
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My daughter and I walked into the Santa Anita store last week and immediately turned around and walked out. The stored had the worst odor ever, it made us gag! I have been in that store in the past to look at the puppies and they did not look well kept at all. We even saw blood in a stool from one of the puppies, and their eyes were dirty and stained. I would never buy a puppy from them no matter how cute they are.
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If you want a nice dog of a particular breed ALWAYS find a local hobby breeder. Never go to a Pet Store or buy on the internet. Stores and on-line is where the puppy mills sell their dogs. You should always look at your local shelters first in case the breed your looking for is already waiting for you there! To find an ethical breeder search the web for a club organization of that breed. For example if you want to find a good beagal breeder go to 'Southern California Beagle Club' web site. Visit their website and look for a breeders list or a breed rescue link. These breeders operate with the permission of the club and have to adhere to good standards. Go to the Breeders website and contact them by phone. Then visit the breeder and see their kennels and dogs. You will learn alot about the dogs before buying one. In any case you will know for sure your dog has come from a good kennel and you will know who to go for help if the dog has any problems.
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