Sea lion pups dying from starvation

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An overabundance of sea lion pups and an apparent lack of food has local animal rescuers racing to save them.

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Told ya

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#27
Jun 16, 2009
 
JFS wrote:
No wonder there's a lack of fish...
Yeah, those bad sea lions are responsible for the diminishing fish populations all over the world. Shame on them, those gluttonous, greedy creatures.
Conservative Vocab

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#29
Jun 16, 2009
 
Wow! I'm surprised how many marine biologists/ecologists we have in Santa Cruz. I knew that Oceanography class at Santa Cruz High a few years back would pay off. Now we have a bunch of locals who know their poop when it comes to sea lions, wildlife, conservation and ocean temperatures. WOW!
Dave

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#30
Jun 16, 2009
 
Yeah about a month ago a pup came up on the Beach at 36th Ave. It wasn't scared of people walking up to it or the dogs that were barking at it.
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#31
Jun 16, 2009
 
Dave wrote:
Yeah about a month ago a pup came up on the Beach at 36th Ave. It wasn't scared of people walking up to it or the dogs that were barking at it.
If it was beached, and not scared of people or barking dogs (and the owners of those dogs should be kenneled for not controlling their animals around defenseless wildlife), it was ill and needed help -- and protection. The thing to do when you see a lethargic sea lion pup hauled out on a busy beach is CALL THE MARINE MAMMAL CENTER. They will send out a volunteer to assess the health of the animal and the danger it faces by dogs and people.
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#32
Jun 16, 2009
 
TAR wrote:
This comment stream is another prime example of why it's probably too late to try and 'educate' the masses. Yes, status-quo-promoters, larger numbers of seals and sealions here at shoreline can be indicative of problems out in the deeper waters, many or most of which are caused by and/or exasperated by Us. As can be seen in the mouth of the Columbia for the past several years, seals and sea lions go where the food is, and since it's not where it used to be, they're now converging closer to shore and river mouths and other areas frequented by a particular species narcissistic enough to think it owns the whole damn planet (which makes them appear to be greater in number). They do NOT need culling; but perhaps WE do. If ever Nature needed to do some trimming of the top predator, it's now. Stop deflecting cognitive dissonance.
"Exasperated"? You mean "exacerbated". And I believe that you meant "congregating" rather than "converging". And "Stop deflecting cognitive dissonance" means nothing.

It kind of deflates your post, TAR. That's too bad, because I agree with the gist of your argument.
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#33
Jun 16, 2009
 
Park Visitor wrote:
At Seacliff State Beach last week, some idiot camper took a sealion pup off the beach and had it in the bath tub in his RV. The Rangers had Marine Mammal Rescue come and get it. This guy thought he could keep it like a pet. He was from Lodi.
Do you know whether they cited and/or fined him? Under the Marine Mammal Protection Act, this guy could have faced a hefty fine.
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#34
Jun 16, 2009
 
DON'T MESS WITH NATURE!
Sunshine

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#35
Jun 16, 2009
 
If natural selection is the case, then humans should be part of that as well. Why continue to try and save people from cancer and strokes, etc...let people die so the world won't be so over-populated. It's the right thing to do.

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#36
Jun 16, 2009
 
Coulrophobia wrote:
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"Exasperated"? You mean "exacerbated". And I believe that you meant "congregating" rather than "converging". And "Stop deflecting cognitive dissonance" means nothing.
It kind of deflates your post, TAR. That's too bad, because I agree with the gist of your argument.
You know, I didn't even really stop to parse the meaning of "stop deflecting cognitive dissonance" - I just sort of figured the writer is some UCSC student since those kinds of words are impressive to some naive young folks.

But parsing it - it does mean something. What exactly?

"Cease turning aside the discomfort between holding two conflicting ideas" means "worry, don't be happy" as near as I can figure.

But yeah, in regard to this thread? I don't think it means what the poster wanted to convey.

Since: May 08

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#37
Jun 16, 2009
 
Sunshine wrote:
If natural selection is the case, then humans should be part of that as well. Why continue to try and save people from cancer and strokes, etc...let people die so the world won't be so over-populated. It's the right thing to do.
I have a feeling that is where Obama's health care plan will lead, frankly.

Maybe rationed health care isn't such a bad idea after all. I know, we could ration it for one political party, but not the other! The scary thing is, there are plenty of people who would agree with that.
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#38
Jun 16, 2009
 
I think about this all time. Perhaps I should NOT go into medicine. Haa haa!

As horrid as it sounds, we are breeding a very weak human species. When/if our energy/electricity/oil fails, a lot of people are gonna die real fast, because many have become "dependent on the luxuries" in life, and we won't be able to help sustain those that are sick and disabled any longer. It will be natural selection in great proportions, but hopefully not great enough to wipe out the entire human race. Developed nations would probably suffer the greatest human loss.

I don't think the solution to the Sea Lion problem is to save them all. Rather, it would be more helpful to think about how we might be negatively contributing to the problem, and seeing how we can help, and I do not mean by shooting/clubbing more SLs. Maybe I won't order shark at Riva's next time I go, and just stick to the gelato. One more shark can eat many more Sea Lions.
Sunshine wrote:
If natural selection is the case, then humans should be part of that as well. Why continue to try and save people from cancer and strokes, etc...let people die so the world won't be so over-populated. It's the right thing to do.
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#39
Jun 16, 2009
 
Why waste money to save them: as prey-predator populations interact, it is not uncommon for the populations to self regulate with events such as deaths of the predators species. Follwing the predator populations decreasing, the prey populations grow larger, such that the predator populations can increase as a result of prey population booms. Pleae leave the "every life should be saved" mantra out of this: these are animals effected by natural population fluctations, and should not be disturbed. If a pup is "sick" or "abandoned" leave it be as it is participating in natural cycles of life; only the strong survive, and it is senseless to alter selection for the weak or diseased.
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#40
Jun 16, 2009
 
i thought i heard sea lion barking noises last night near the rio sand motel... it seemed strange, now i wonder if a tourist took another seal pup
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#41
Jun 16, 2009
 
This is Just part of Nature, its Natures Way. Man does
Far TOO Much interfering in places we don't belong. Even
as Bad as it is..........
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#42
Jun 16, 2009
 
This thread is getting long and off topic. Bottom line... rescue a sea lion from near death. Feed it make it healthy then release it to the wild SO IT CAN START DYING AGAIN FROM STARVATION. Real smart these university people. Let the damn thing go. Cull the over populated sea lion herds. Problem fixed. You idiots about the fishermen... UYA! You people trying to play God... UYA too! OK, you can close this thread now.
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#43
Jun 16, 2009
 
500,000 new residents come to California every single year.

We need to build a large city EVERY YEAR just to house them all.
All beaches have human visitors, all the time, and our use of nature for our own needs, be it food, housing, sewage, water or recreation is simply unlimited.

There is no space for animals left.

Until we stop human population growth, animals are going to be in trouble, inspite of efforts to save entire species from disapearing.
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#44
Jun 16, 2009
 
Stay away from the water wrote:
Sea lion overpopulation is caused by the people who think they're protecting wildlife. They want to play God and now look what they've done. Julie Packard and MBARI should be ashamed for all the harm they have caused the oceans and those who depend on the ocean. They want to protect everything from us humans. They want to change what nature has established for millions of years. It's just starting now with the starvation phase. Soon disease will set in and we will have a sea lion flu within a year or two. Once the flu has begun we're going to have an open season on sealions. Mad cow disease... millions of cows were shot and buried. Bird flu... millions were killed and buried. Swine flu... you get the idea. Hippy flu... now we're talkin!
Go back to oakland you stupid c R ac Ker!
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#45
Jun 16, 2009
 
Bait balls wrote:
Everytime a bait ball of fry fish appears near the Municipal Pier the bait fisherman from the harbor boats over and scoops up the whole school. Maybe if net fishing so close to the pier was enforced by the Fish and Game some of these bait balls would feed the young seal lions.
When was the last time DFG did anything proactive?
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#46
Jun 16, 2009
 
I think its high time to start mandatory birth control education with the sealions. I'm sure some foundation somewhere would be proud to support this effort.
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#47
Jun 16, 2009
 
And anything won't affect us humens cause we got other food sources..birds used to block out the sun only about a hundred years ago..we're too comfortable, sooner or later these declines are gonna affect our food supply somehow someway

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