Islam not defined by evil behavior of the few

I t was interesting to read Neil Shapiro's Aug. 19 commentary regarding the planned construction of the Islamic center near ground zero. Full Story

Since: Sep 09

Carmel Valley, CA

#21 Aug 24, 2010
In the Dark wrote:
Why is it that usually black sheep are considered nothing but black sheep, while many critics hold Islam to a separate standard in which the black sheep define the entire religion?
Exactly!
In the Dark

Hollister, CA

#22 Aug 24, 2010
I mean, I'm sure if people from the ethnic or religious group of one of these critics did bad things, the critic would say, "Hey, don't blame me, because I didn't do it! They don't speak for me."

Yet for Islam -- or any group the critic irrationally dislikes -- that whole principle is forgotten.
Polish Pontificator

United States

#23 Aug 24, 2010
Oh, we Christians do have a problem with the Saudi backing of Fox News and are keeping a close watch on how this will influence the reporting of news. But like we believe the Muslims should be able to build mosques but just not so close to Ground Zero, they should be able to participate in the market so long as blood money isn't being used to fundamentally transform this nation into one that is Sharia Law compliant.

Furthermore, if sunnycali would read any of the books out there about the sordid upbringing of Mohammed and the racket he carried out such as Serge Trifkovic's "Sword of the Prophet," he'd have to be pigheaded to think that Islam is anything but a religion of peace.

As for resorting to calumny in branding the Catholic Church as chauvinistic and misogynistic, that implies you regard Jesus as such since the priesthood he formed were all males.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#24 Aug 24, 2010
"While the message of Islam is universal and seeks to put every believer, no matter the race and the location, on an equal footing ..."

Every muslim believer, except when it comes to sunni vs. sh'ia.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#25 Aug 24, 2010
Take the "Islam is not defined by" poll at:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TIS...

Since: Sep 09

Carmel Valley, CA

#26 Aug 24, 2010
Polish Pontificator wrote:
Oh, we Christians do have a problem with the Saudi backing of Fox News and are keeping a close watch on how this will influence the reporting of news. But like we believe the Muslims should be able to build mosques but just not so close to Ground Zero, they should be able to participate in the market so long as blood money isn't being used to fundamentally transform this nation into one that is Sharia Law compliant.
Furthermore, if sunnycali would read any of the books out there about the sordid upbringing of Mohammed and the racket he carried out such as Serge Trifkovic's "Sword of the Prophet," he'd have to be pigheaded to think that Islam is anything but a religion of peace.
As for resorting to calumny in branding the Catholic Church as chauvinistic and misogynistic, that implies you regard Jesus as such since the priesthood he formed were all males.
It is not a Mosque. It is an Islamic cultural center. There is a very small Islamic cultural center that has existed adjacent to the WTC site since 1970. As a matter of fact, that Islamic center has been in service longer than the WTC. And it has existed all these years peacefully - including the 9 years since September 11th.

Since the Islamic center will be a non-profit organization all transactions will be transparent. Does that ease your fears a little?

Since you don't want the cultural center built so close to Ground Zero, please tell me what distance from the Ground Zero would be okay. No one has a definitive answer for that.

Regarding the Catholic religion - please tell me where there are any female Catholic priests practicing. Today.
mickyeggs

Southbury, CT

#27 Aug 24, 2010
of course islamism is not responsible for all the terrorist actions in the world today, the same as all italians are not responsible for all the bad things nor the good acts that the mafia has done over the years etc etc. but the uproar of humanity is due to the old adage of a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch. i'm a Catholic and have been in prison during that time i met quite a few muslims buddists protestants and jews. the long arm of the law doesn't discriminate against race creed or anything else. anyway some most of them are really good people who got caught for a crime that a judge deemed unacceptible and were sent to prison. the stories they told were amazing from killing the wrong person who was selling drugs to a young girl to people who liked to rob banks and on and on. the point being they each and everyone of them are individual people of differantsects. do i think a mosque should be built near gound zero not at ground zero no i don't think it's a good idea the same as i don't think an adult book and toy shop should be built next to a church, temple or any religous site. do they have a right to build a mosque there yes they do, is it politically correct the answer is no. could it raise ideas of distruction, most likely it would probably by the same people who paint swaztickers on temples and destroy creches at Christmas time.
pippin

Chicago, IL

#28 Aug 24, 2010
Organized religion...as a recovering catholic, I want nothing to do with it. Will help the blind guy cross the street, give the homeless woman a blanket and make her a sandwich, and pick up trash in my neighborhood park. Make the world a better place on a daily basis. Keep the organized religion. Just do not believe in some mythical figure, male of course, who knows my destiny. B.S.
Anarchy now

Monterey, CA

#29 Aug 24, 2010
So it's just a coincidence that these medeivals want to build a mosque next to ground zero?
I don't think so.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#30 Aug 24, 2010
sunnycali wrote:
Since you don't want the cultural center built so close to Ground Zero, please tell me what distance from the Ground Zero would be okay ...
Far enough so that islam's incessant "call to prayer" can't be heard over the empty basin of what was the WTC.

Since: Sep 09

Carmel Valley, CA

#33 Aug 24, 2010
Anarchy now wrote:
So it's just a coincidence that these medeivals want to build a mosque next to ground zero?
I don't think so.
Actually, there's a very large Muslim population in that area. So it's no coincidence that they'd want to build a cultural center in an area where it would be easy to get to for those who live there.

They are no more medieval than you are and it is insulting for you to state that.

Since: Sep 09

Carmel Valley, CA

#34 Aug 24, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Far enough so that islam's incessant "call to prayer" can't be heard over the empty basin of what was the WTC.
And exactly how far is that? Again, no one has been able to answer that one question.

If I'm Buddhist, should it be appropriate for me to deny the building of a Christian church because I don't like the sound of church bells? Where does one draw the line?

Since: Sep 09

Carmel Valley, CA

#35 Aug 24, 2010
American wrote:
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Therein lies the problem with Islam.
The “few” commit the terror attacks while the remainder of Muslims give a wink and a nod and publicly distance themselves from the attacks.
Muslims have no credibility with me whatsoever. They should all be placed in their home countries where they can kill each other and an occasional foolish tourist.
Have you stood up and protested the Westboro Baptist Church or its founder Fred Phelps? If not, then you are guilty of winking and nodding and thus agreeing with his deplorable tactics.

Your comments show that you've been duped by talking heads who are playing on your fears. Please think for yourself and do just a little research.

Since: Sep 09

Carmel Valley, CA

#36 Aug 24, 2010
American wrote:
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Muslims can build all the mosques they want in Antarctica and I promise nobody will complain.
And now under the guise of being 'cute' or 'clever' you are making ridiculous statements that have no basis in reality.
WOW

Salinas, CA

#37 Aug 24, 2010
sunnycali wrote:
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I suppose you haven't heard that Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest share-holders of News Corporation. News Corporation is Rupert Murdoch. Rupert Murdoch is Fox News. Why aren't you staying tuned for the takeover of your 'leaders' by the Saudis?
Your comment is irrelevant. Passerby is from Canada. Different country. Different attitudes and they are not tuned into FOX. You might want to research about Canada, it's politics and news media before you slam a Canadian for making a comment.
passerby

London, Canada

#38 Aug 24, 2010
sunnycali wrote:
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The 'leaders' are those who are engaging in fear mongering and many of those fear mongerers work for or own Fox News / News Corporation.
What's my point? My point is that our country is being told to believe that those from the Middle East are evil. Yet I haven't heard one person who is denouncing Islam and/or the Islamic cultural center say a single negative word about following the money behind Fox News and News Corporation. It's really not a difficult point to grasp and I'm surprised that you even have to ask me what the point is.
Fox News found a niche and serviced it all the way to #1.

I don't watch Fox News, so I shall not comment on their content..

As far as fear mongering well that's just your opinion, nothing more, and nothing wrong with that.

Fox's coverage of the Israel Pali situation may be the area to watch or maybe not.

As the money goes. it's no big secret is it? After all it seems we all know about it.

The Fox owned New York newspaper reported it
Annie Bee

United States

#42 Aug 24, 2010
You know that the Quran also states that it is the obligation of each follower to convert, enslave or kill all infidels. All who are not Muslim are considered infidels. There are people who perhaps do not practice the letter of the law but it is there none the less. So, tell me how does anyone ever really trust someone whose faith tells them to convert, enslave or kill them because they are not a Muslim? Really questionable to begin with. Then someone decides to exercise their 1ST ammendment rights. irrelevant that their actions are hurtful and inflammatory? Tell me, how would one trust someone like that?
passerby

London, Canada

#43 Aug 24, 2010
WOW wrote:
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Your comment is irrelevant. Passerby is from Canada. Different country. Different attitudes and they are not tuned into FOX. You might want to research about Canada, it's politics and news media before you slam a Canadian for making a comment.
Funnt thing is that I have more family born, bred and living in the States than here in Canada. Go figure lol

Since: Sep 09

Carmel Valley, CA

#44 Aug 24, 2010
American wrote:
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How ....
You have been reported.
WOW

Salinas, CA

#45 Aug 24, 2010
passerby wrote:
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Funnt thing is that I have more family born, bred and living in the States than here in Canada. Go figure lol
I am an immigrant to this country. I am a citizen. I love the United States. I don't hate muslims. I am amused when I encounter people who assume to know what the entire world thinks or believes everyone must be watching the FOX news channel because they have a particular point of view.

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