Pregnant mom says sandwich arrest was...

Pregnant mom says sandwich arrest was 'horrifying'

There are 344 comments on the The Kansas City Star story from Oct 31, 2011, titled Pregnant mom says sandwich arrest was 'horrifying'. In it, The Kansas City Star reports that:

A pregnant mother says she was traumatized by a "horrifying" ordeal at a Honolulu supermarket last week when she and her husband were arrested for stealing sandwiches and had their 2-year-old daughter taken into state custody.Nicole Leszczynski sobbed Monday as she recounted what started as a family trip to the Safeway supermarket.

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Taxpayer

Katy, TX

#1 Oct 31, 2011
She committed a crime, THEFT is illegal. It doesn't matter if she had an excuse that she believes should make it OK for her to commit a criminal act. It doesn't matter that she offered to pay for it AFTER she got caught. FACT is, she did not pay for it before she left the store, therefore it is a crime and she got arrested, as she should have. The baby was taken be CPS, which is what happens when criminal parents get arrested.

Here's a bit of advice for you lady, if you don't want to be arrested and treated like a criminal, don't commit crimes. Theft is a crime and you are a common criminal. You should be ashamed of yourself rather than going around acting like you are a victim. Your daughter should know her parents are thieves, maybe she will learn not to steal like Mommy does.
eight 1 2 nine

Fair Lawn, NJ

#2 Oct 31, 2011
this store does not have common sense.
very cruel store manager and guard. to separate the baby from the mom.
as for the mom. you are a hero not wanting to make a scene so as not to scare the baby. but if i were her i would say to the child Services that you will kill me first before you take my baby away.
child services, please use taxpayers money wise. do not be one track minded bufoons.
eight 1 2 nine

Fair Lawn, NJ

#3 Oct 31, 2011
Taxpayer Katy of Texas, what planet are you from? sometimes people forget things. it happens. this case i not as simple as what you're simple mind can only comprehend. people make honest mistakes and A LOT of people do eat something and pay at the counter, wrong but it happens and there is not much damage done really. you need to give the benefit of the doubt EVEN JUST FORTHE SAKE OF THE BABY NOT TO TAKEN AWAY LIKE THAT. but since you show no mercy here, i pitty you as you will reckon with some KARMA someday.

“Yum Chocolate!”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#4 Oct 31, 2011
Sorry but this is really pathetic that they went that far over $5 dollar sandwiches!! They forgot about them and they were trying to pay.....They bought already 50 dollars worth of groceries it is obvious that they just forgot about the stupid sandwiches. Yep this story belongs on Offbeat!

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#5 Oct 31, 2011
Taxpayer wrote:
She committed a crime, THEFT is illegal. It doesn't matter if she had an excuse that she believes should make it OK for her to commit a criminal act. It doesn't matter that she offered to pay for it AFTER she got caught. FACT is, she did not pay for it before she left the store, therefore it is a crime and she got arrested, as she should have. The baby was taken be CPS, which is what happens when criminal parents get arrested.
Here's a bit of advice for you lady, if you don't want to be arrested and treated like a criminal, don't commit crimes. Theft is a crime and you are a common criminal. You should be ashamed of yourself rather than going around acting like you are a victim. Your daughter should know her parents are thieves, maybe she will learn not to steal like Mommy does.
You have a point, but this sounds like an accident. It is easy to forget to pay for merchandise when you are grazing.

“Let her cry, for she's a Lady”

Since: Apr 08

Let her dream, she's a Child

#6 Oct 31, 2011
When I read the title.. I thought it meant a sandwich arrested the pregnant mom.

Yeah, I think I have been around OffBeat, too damn long!

Cherish Your Loved Ones.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#7 Oct 31, 2011
Pixie_Vampyress wrote:
When I read the title.. I thought it meant a sandwich arrested the pregnant mom.
Yeah, I think I have been around OffBeat, too damn long!
Cherish Your Loved Ones.
I thought she was horrified that her sandwich got arrested.

“Let her cry, for she's a Lady”

Since: Apr 08

Let her dream, she's a Child

#8 Oct 31, 2011
Purple Gurl wrote:
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I thought she was horrified that her sandwich got arrested.
LOL, I feel much better now, thank you!!!! ;o)
Taxpayer

Katy, TX

#9 Nov 1, 2011
eight 1 2 nine wrote:
Taxpayer Katy of Texas, what planet are you from? sometimes people forget things. it happens. this case i not as simple as what you're simple mind can only comprehend. people make honest mistakes and A LOT of people do eat something and pay at the counter, wrong but it happens and there is not much damage done really. you need to give the benefit of the doubt EVEN JUST FORTHE SAKE OF THE BABY NOT TO TAKEN AWAY LIKE THAT. but since you show no mercy here, i pitty you as you will reckon with some KARMA someday.
She and her husband each enjoyed a sandwich while shopping. That was $10 worth of sandwiches. They purchased $50 worth of groceries and conveniently "forget" to pay for the $10 worth of food they chowed down on like pigs that couldn't wait until they had purchased the food and left the store. Where did they put the packaging that it wasn't right there in their cart to "remind" them to pay for their treat? They SHOPLIFTED merchandise equal to 20% of their purchase. The store did nothing wrong, if everybody went in and grazed 20% while they shopped, prices for those of us who don't "forget" to pay would skyrocket.

CPS does not traumatize children. This woman should be ashamed of herself, rather than making it a national story that she is a shoplifter who believes that she should be excused for breaking the law because she has a child. I guess she and her husband see nothing wrong with committing a crime in front of their child, what does that teach their little girl? It's OK for Mommy and Daddy to steal and if we get caught we'll squeal like we are the victims rather then the criminals. I hope Safeway does press charges and the court throws the book at them. They are criminals not victims and they should be ashamed of the lessons they are teaching their child.
Carole

Buford, GA

#10 Nov 1, 2011
Who eats a sandwich before they pay for it?

Next time pay for the food before you eat it and there will not be a problem.
Citizen

Hemphill, TX

#11 Nov 1, 2011
She should not feel too bad about what she did, but the store manager and every other person in authority must realize the consequences of their own actions in society. I feel sorry for this family, but this is a more common thing that is going on in our society. Even the store manager reflects what is happening in our society. He should have known what would happen to this family. He also should have taken into account that they did not leave the store with an expensive item. Hell! Some upper class stores furnish snacks for their clientel. But regardless, she did commit a crime, and the sad thing about this is that our citizens have been lulled into the believe that our government will always do the right thing. They are just as absent minded as the rest of us and they are scaring the hell out of the watch dogs in our society. They continue to enact legislation that is un- constitutional and when they don't some dumb minor politcal leader renders his own loose interpretation of the law and does not seem to realize that by his actions he is actually violating the very law he is purporting to be enacting. Half- Timers All-timers whatever you want to call it is ripping this country apart, because there is no one who can stop them. Our politicians cause more trouble in our society than any group of people and they usually do it through ignorance. 911 addressing is a good thing, but when you assign addresses to homes and take it upon yourself to rename roads you have got to realize you are violating the civil rights of the property owners on these roads just as surely as you would know that calling someone a bad name on paper could be a hate crime. The christian spirit has left the village and the dogs are out.

“Yum Chocolate!”

Since: Apr 08

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#12 Nov 1, 2011
It is sad that people have no understanding for a mistake. This was not a harmful event except for how the store security handled the situation.

Since: Aug 08

Buffalo, NY

#13 Nov 1, 2011
Chatty Kathy wrote:
It is sad that people have no understanding for a mistake. This was not a harmful event except for how the store security handled the situation.
you are so right candy cat now pass me a sandwich...i think the ham and cheese one is in your other pocket...
Orca Winfrey

Medford, NY

#14 Nov 1, 2011
Carole wrote:
Who eats a sandwich before they pay for it?
Next time pay for the food before you eat it and there will not be a problem.
I do. It is nearly impossible for me to refrain from downing food while it is beautifully displayed in front of me. The store can wait to be paid for it until I have eaten it, kinda like a credit card purchase.....eat it first, pay later. My belly has to be satisfied immediately.

“I laugh at trolls, because”

Since: Apr 10

they are the laughing stock!

#15 Nov 1, 2011
Taxpayer wrote:
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She and her husband each enjoyed a sandwich while shopping. That was $10 worth of sandwiches. They purchased $50 worth of groceries and conveniently "forget" to pay for the $10 worth of food they chowed down on like pigs that couldn't wait until they had purchased the food and left the store. Where did they put the packaging that it wasn't right there in their cart to "remind" them to pay for their treat? They SHOPLIFTED merchandise equal to 20% of their purchase. The store did nothing wrong, if everybody went in and grazed 20% while they shopped, prices for those of us who don't "forget" to pay would skyrocket.
CPS does not traumatize children. This woman should be ashamed of herself, rather than making it a national story that she is a shoplifter who believes that she should be excused for breaking the law because she has a child. I guess she and her husband see nothing wrong with committing a crime in front of their child, what does that teach their little girl? It's OK for Mommy and Daddy to steal and if we get caught we'll squeal like we are the victims rather then the criminals. I hope Safeway does press charges and the court throws the book at them. They are criminals not victims and they should be ashamed of the lessons they are teaching their child.
Boy, what a mean and unforgiving person YOU are! You better hope YOU never make a mistake!!!

Have you overlooked that the woman is pregnant? Have YOU ever been pregnant? Do you know that it's harder to go without food in that condition? They got lost on the bus, being new in town and were famished. And, pregnant women do have a certain amount of short-term memory loss. That store crazily overreacted. Instead of giving them a stern warning and letting them pay for the sandwich, they let them wait four hours for the police and then caused their baby to be taken away! You consider that just and right? Maybe you need to live in a muslim country. There, you'd have cheered the authorities on to hack of that woman's hand for stealing...FIVE frigging dollars' worth of food! OMG!

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#16 Nov 1, 2011
Carole wrote:
Who eats a sandwich before they pay for it?
Next time pay for the food before you eat it and there will not be a problem.
It is called grazing. Most who do it pay for it, unless it is very small amounts (like a couple of peanuts). Different stores have different policies on it. Some have clear policies and signs saying it won't be tolerated. Others permit it, thinking it is good business. From time to time, I see children in stores with an open drink or food wrapper, and the mothers are careful to pay for the items.

Some stores are hard-nosed about this. Some temp employees were stocking shelves at a Walmart. That is common. If there is a holiday rush and they don't want to hire more people or pay overtime, they bring in temp workers. Well, this guy was working and getting quite hungry. He noticed someone had tampered with a box of crackers. Obviously, the store could not sell them, since a child or other customer had already been inside the box. So the temp worker figured he could eat a few too. They had him arrested. However, that wasn't the only arrest that night. Another temp worker, deserved her trip to the police station. She decided to abandon the store in the middle of her shift, and she took a loaded buggy with her with about $600-$700 worth of merchandise (probably enough to warrant a felony arrest). She only made it as far as the middle of the parking lot, and the police caught up with her.

Some places will give employee discounts for food items in a hope that will discourage eating on the job and food-related shrinkage. If the employees can make it to break, then they may get half off a small meal or something. In restaurants, that may help sanitation too, since employees will be less likely to sabotage and more likely to follow approved sanitation practices if they have to eat it too.

“Yum Chocolate!”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#17 Nov 1, 2011
GMGMIKE wrote:
<quoted text>you are so right candy cat now pass me a sandwich...i think the ham and cheese one is in your other pocket...
LOL..you are so cute! Oh and it was a turkey and cheese do you still want it?heheh
Taxpayer

Katy, TX

#18 Nov 1, 2011
ROTFL wrote:
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Boy, what a mean and unforgiving person YOU are! You better hope YOU never make a mistake!!!
Have you overlooked that the woman is pregnant? Have YOU ever been pregnant? Do you know that it's harder to go without food in that condition? They got lost on the bus, being new in town and were famished. And, pregnant women do have a certain amount of short-term memory loss. That store crazily overreacted. Instead of giving them a stern warning and letting them pay for the sandwich, they let them wait four hours for the police and then caused their baby to be taken away! You consider that just and right? Maybe you need to live in a muslim country. There, you'd have cheered the authorities on to hack of that woman's hand for stealing...FIVE frigging dollars' worth of food! OMG!
Was her husband pregnant, too? Why did he have to eat a sandwich? So the two of them could enjoy a meal at the expense of other shoppers that DO pay for their purchases? Was the husband also experiencing short-term memory loss? When is he due to give birth? If they felt the need to stuff their faces before completing their shopping trip, why did they not leave the packaging there in the cart with their other groceries to "remind" them that they had filled their bellies and now should pay for the food? Two people entered the store and enjoyed a sandwich and both of them "forgot" to pay? You can't innocently "forget" to pay for the sandwiches if the empty packages are right there with everything else you're buying. They were stealing and they got caught. They are not innocent. They are not victims. They are thieves and they should be dealt the consequences. Then they can explain to their child that they are crappy parents who commit crimes and squeal like stuffed pigs (literally) when they get caught.

Yes, I've been pregnant and I didn't once believe that my pregnancy should give me an excuse to commit crimes without having any consequences. Did this woman not realize she was pregnant before she left home? Why did she not stick a granola bar in her pocket so she'd have something to nibble on if need be? Pregnancy does not justify eating while you shop and not paying for the food.

Is it OK to rob a bank if all you get away with is $10? Is it OK to attempt murder if all you succeed at is injuring the person? Crime is crime, just because they didn't steal an expensive item doesn't mean they didn't steal. Five dollars stolen by each person that enters that store on any given day adds up to enough money to put the place out of business, that's why theft (of any amount) is against the law.

Since: Jan 11

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#19 Nov 1, 2011
We all like a little "sandwich" action now and then.

“Yum Chocolate!”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#20 Nov 1, 2011
Taxpayer wrote:
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Was her husband pregnant, too? Why did he have to eat a sandwich? So the two of them could enjoy a meal at the expense of other shoppers that DO pay for their purchases? Was the husband also experiencing short-term memory loss? When is he due to give birth? If they felt the need to stuff their faces before completing their shopping trip, why did they not leave the packaging there in the cart with their other groceries to "remind" them that they had filled their bellies and now should pay for the food? Two people entered the store and enjoyed a sandwich and both of them "forgot" to pay? You can't innocently "forget" to pay for the sandwiches if the empty packages are right there with everything else you're buying. They were stealing and they got caught. They are not innocent. They are not victims. They are thieves and they should be dealt the consequences. Then they can explain to their child that they are crappy parents who commit crimes and squeal like stuffed pigs (literally) when they get caught.
Yes, I've been pregnant and I didn't once believe that my pregnancy should give me an excuse to commit crimes without having any consequences. Did this woman not realize she was pregnant before she left home? Why did she not stick a granola bar in her pocket so she'd have something to nibble on if need be? Pregnancy does not justify eating while you shop and not paying for the food.
Is it OK to rob a bank if all you get away with is $10? Is it OK to attempt murder if all you succeed at is injuring the person? Crime is crime, just because they didn't steal an expensive item doesn't mean they didn't steal. Five dollars stolen by each person that enters that store on any given day adds up to enough money to put the place out of business, that's why theft (of any amount) is against the law.
Really you think that a 5 dollar sandwhich was justified to treat the couple this way. Well I completely disagree. This wasn't a horrible crime but your summary is over the top on this issue in my opinion. It was handled poorly no matter how this is looked at.

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