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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75880 Aug 17, 2014
According to Akshoy Kumar Mazumdar in The Hindu History, Brahm was the spiritual leader of the Aryans. As an Aryan (Not of Yah), he naturally believed in idols. The Bible says that he even manufactured them. Upon seeing how increasing idol worship and religious guesswork were contributing to the further downfall of his people, Brahm backed away from Aryanism and re-embraced the ancient Indian (Yah) philosophy (Cult of the Material Universe) even though it, too, was foundering in manmade evils. He decided that mankind could save himself only by dealing with what was real - not the imagined.
This is paralleled in a story about Abraham in the Koran when he turned away from his father’s business of manufacturing idols. Shocked at the barbarism and blind selfishness of the people, the wise men and educated people among the proto-Semitics isolated themselves from the masses. Dr. Mazumdar wrote,“The moral fall was
rapid. The seers and sages lived apart from the masses. They seldom married and were mostly given to religious contemplation. The masses, without proper light and leader, soon became vicious in the
extreme. Rape, adultery, theft, etc., became quite common. Human nature ran wild. Brahma (Abraham) decided to reform and regenerate the people. He made the chief sages and seers to marry
and mix with the people. Most refused to marry, but 30 agreed.” Brahm married his half sister Saraswathi *Sarah). These sages became known as Prajapatis (progenitors). There is no doubt that the Yadavas founded ancient Israel. The real Sanskrit name of the Jews, Yahuda, seems to clearly suggest this.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75881 Aug 17, 2014
A silly White-skinned gay American whose European ancestors (who were either pagans or Christians and who later embraced Judaism out of compulsion or choice) is so stupid that he thinks he is an original Hebrew. The original Hebrews were dark-skinned natives of the Indian subcontinent. LOL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75882 Aug 17, 2014
If you have read the Jewish or Christian bible, you can probably guess that Satyavarman, Shem, Sham, and Jyapeti were Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japhet taken from the Puranas. From another Hindu story, we get:
“The progeny of Adamis and Hevas soon became so wicked that they were no longer able to coexist peacefully. Brahma therefore decided to punish his creatures “Vishnu” ordered Vaivasvata to build a ship for himself and his family. When the ship was ready, and Vaivasvata and his family were inside with the seeds of every plant and a pair of every species of animal, the big rains began and the rivers began to overflow.”
(They even “borrowed” the 40 days and 40 nights from the Hindu stories). LOL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75883 Aug 17, 2014
and much more......
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75884 Aug 17, 2014
I am off to the Sea Lounge in the Taj. Bye, boyz. ROFL.

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Since: Sep 11

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#75885 Aug 17, 2014
Troll is sanskrit for wisdom
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75886 Aug 17, 2014
scirocco wrote:
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The work is called the Antiquities of the Jews
http://www.biblestudytools.com/history/flaviu...
I understand that there is a work call the Antiquities. It is not the work referred to by Joel. And, there is no reference to Aristotle in that either.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75887 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
If you have read the Jewish or Christian bible, you can probably guess that Satyavarman, Shem, Sham, and Jyapeti were Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japhet taken from the Puranas. From another Hindu story, we get:
“The progeny of Adamis and Hevas soon became so wicked that they were no longer able to coexist peacefully. Brahma therefore decided to punish his creatures “Vishnu” ordered Vaivasvata to build a ship for himself and his family. When the ship was ready, and Vaivasvata and his family were inside with the seeds of every plant and a pair of every species of animal, the big rains began and the rivers began to overflow.”
(They even “borrowed” the 40 days and 40 nights from the Hindu stories). LOL.
Why does it surprise you that there is a universal truth throughout many cultures of a great flood? Do you think that the flood only affected one culture? From what I have seen, the Vedas are from 1000 to 500 BCE. The story of Gilgamesh and the flood dates back to 2100 BCE. Genesis which contains the story of Noah is about 1500 BCE. No one claims Noah and his family to be Jews or Hebrews or Israelites. They were believers in G-d. Their progeny would have re-populated the earth including the Indian Subcontinent. There they would have told their children of the flood and it would have become part of the Indian culture also.

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#75888 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
The Greeks asserted that the Jews were Indians whom the Syrians called Judea, the Sanskrit synonym of which is Yadava or Yaudheya, and the Indians also called them Kalanis, meaning orthodox followers of the
scriptures.
I guess they still haven't progressed as far as DNA scientific knowledge and neither have you
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75890 Aug 17, 2014
VEDAS - WORLD'S OLDEST RELIGIOUS TEXTS

The Vedas are the oldest religious texts in the world and the latest research by Georg Fuerstein, Subhash Kak, R S Sharma, B G Tilak, David Frawley and other scholars reveal that the Vedas were put into written form in 5000 BC or earlier, while the oral form of the Vedas extends back to an unknown antiquity. These books speak of verifiable astronomical events and geological happenings that date back tens of thousands of years and in these books there is repeated mention of the early home of the Vedas being at the North Pole in an ice free age. They were given their present written form much before the river Saraswathi dried up in 1800 BC. The antiquity of the Vedas is also confirmed by the 4000 to 5000 year old Zend Avesta of the Zoroastrians.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75891 Aug 17, 2014
RIG VEDA HONORED BY UNESCO:

The Rig Veda manuscripts, housed at the famed Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, Pune, have been selected for inscription in UNESCO's "Memory of the World" Register, 2007.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75892 Aug 17, 2014
ASTRONOMICAL EVENTS MENTIONED IN THE VEDAS:

The Vedas mention references to the night sky and astronomical events as a way of referencing the date/time of the events being described. Below are references to some of these mentions along with when they were last observed based on computer simulations of the night sky:

A) Rig Veda:

1) Winter equinox in Ashwini (7000 BC)

2) Revati at the winter solstice (6000 BC)

3) Vernal Equinox in Punarvasu (5000-6000BC)

4) Vernal equinox in Mrigashira (5000 BC)

B) The Yajur Veda:

1) Krittika at the winter solstice (8500 BC)

2) Purvabhadrapada nakshatra as rising due east (10000 BC)

sources:

. Origins of Vedic Civilization by Kenneth Chandler, Ph.D

. Gods, Sages and Kings: Vedic Secrets of Ancient Civilization By David Frawley
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75893 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
ASTRONOMICAL EVENTS MENTIONED IN THE VEDAS:
The Vedas mention references to the night sky and astronomical events as a way of referencing the date/time of the events being described. Below are references to some of these mentions along with when they were last observed based on computer simulations of the night sky:
A) Rig Veda:
1) Winter equinox in Ashwini (7000 BC)
2) Revati at the winter solstice (6000 BC)
3) Vernal Equinox in Punarvasu (5000-6000BC)
4) Vernal equinox in Mrigashira (5000 BC)
B) The Yajur Veda:
1) Krittika at the winter solstice (8500 BC)
2) Purvabhadrapada nakshatra as rising due east (10000 BC)
sources:
. Origins of Vedic Civilization by Kenneth Chandler, Ph.D
. Gods, Sages and Kings: Vedic Secrets of Ancient Civilization By David Frawley
Come on Joel. There is a vernal equinox and a winter solstice every year. And there is never a winter equinox.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75894 Aug 17, 2014
GLOBAL FLOOD MYTH

1) The earliest mention of the global flood is in the ancient Sanskrit books from where younger Babylonian civilizations picked it up due to inter-flow of knowledge via trade routes between the Indo-Aryans and the inhabitants of the ME.

2) Geologically, there is no evidence that a global flood ever took place and given the fact that the Sanskrit books talk about Vishnu, Vaivasvat and other supraphysical entities involved in the so-called global flood directing the first male-female pair it is this apparent that the global flood has a mystical significance and does not refer to an actual flood on earth.

3) In these mystical texts, a word can have multiple meanings depending on the context and often the most esoteric events that are far removed from the plane of gross matter are narrated using gross physical examples.

4) In mystical parlance, for example, the term "the waters" does not refer to a sea or to an ocean or to a body of water as we ordinarily understand it in gross physical language. In mysticism, the term "the waters" refers to the dynamic sentient energy fields of the cosmic vital plane. The first "male-female pair" is the purush-prakriti combine of forces that manifest on the mind plane before materializing on the gross physical plane. Similarly, in mysticism, "breath" or "airs" refer to the vital principle (life force), "sun" refers to the illumined mind and so on.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75895 Aug 17, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>

Come on Joel. There is a vernal equinox and a winter solstice every year. And there is never a winter equinox.
The info is recorded in the Vedas by the Aryans in the distant past when most likely winter set in in September itself which is a matter of climate change over the millennia.

In the Indian subcontinent there's no spring and no autumn.

In India we have 3 well-marked seasons - summer, monsoon and winter.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75896 Aug 17, 2014
CLIMATE CHANGE OVER THE MILLENNIA

1) The earth's axis has tilted and keeps doing so periodically giving rise to change in climate.

2) The Vedas, as per the astronomical and geographical data they contain, were initially revealed to the Aryans living near the North Pole in an ice-free age unknown millennia ago.

3) The climate all over the world has changed considerably over the millennia since what it was during those ancient days.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75897 Aug 17, 2014
PERIODIC TILTS OF THE EARTH OVER MILLENNIA GIVE RISE TO CLIMATE CHANGE

Natural tilts in earth's axis cause ice ages, says Harvard scientist - and their cycles could help predict the next one. Tilts cause glaciers to advance and retreat. Two cycles combine to cause ice ages could help predict long-term changes in climate.

By Rob Waugh


UPDATED: 19:15 GMT, 2 February 2012

The idea that slight shifts in Earth's axis might have been enough to trigger the ice ages is a century old. But a Harvard earth sciences Professor Peter Huybers has finally proved it, using computer models to test competing ideas - and finding that earth's tilting axis is the only one that works.

The finding could have profound implications for our understanding of our planet's climate - and could, its author says, be crucial to 'predicting long-term changes in future climate.'

Two 'cycles' in the way Earth's axis spins have an effect on the cycle - one lasting 10,000 years and one lasting roughly 40,000 years. When they align correctly, ice melts. At the other extreme, glaciers advance.

The idea that these could dictate the cycles of glaciation in Earth's climate was first proposed by Serbian geophysicist Milutin Milankovitch in the first half of the twentieth century.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75898 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
The info is recorded in the Vedas by the Aryans in the distant past when most likely winter set in in September itself which is a matter of climate change over the millennia.
In the Indian subcontinent there's no spring and no autumn.
In India we have 3 well-marked seasons - summer, monsoon and winter.
But, Joel, the equinox and solstice are not defined by climate. They are defined by the position of the sun with resulting length of day. There is nothing remarkable about noting equinox and solstice. They happen twice per year, every year.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75899 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
GLOBAL FLOOD MYTH
1) The earliest mention of the global flood is in the ancient Sanskrit books from where younger Babylonian civilizations picked it up due to inter-flow of knowledge via trade routes between the Indo-Aryans and the inhabitants of the ME.
2) Geologically, there is no evidence that a global flood ever took place and given the fact that the Sanskrit books talk about Vishnu, Vaivasvat and other supraphysical entities involved in the so-called global flood directing the first male-female pair it is this apparent that the global flood has a mystical significance and does not refer to an actual flood on earth.
3) In these mystical texts, a word can have multiple meanings depending on the context and often the most esoteric events that are far removed from the plane of gross matter are narrated using gross physical examples.
4) In mystical parlance, for example, the term "the waters" does not refer to a sea or to an ocean or to a body of water as we ordinarily understand it in gross physical language. In mysticism, the term "the waters" refers to the dynamic sentient energy fields of the cosmic vital plane. The first "male-female pair" is the purush-prakriti combine of forces that manifest on the mind plane before materializing on the gross physical plane. Similarly, in mysticism, "breath" or "airs" refer to the vital principle (life force), "sun" refers to the illumined mind and so on.
What you fail to grasp is that almost every culture on Earth has the story of a great flood. Africans; Pacific Islanders; Native Americans; Chinese; Pagan Europeans; etc. Gives it a lot of credibility.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75900 Aug 17, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>

But, Joel, the equinox and solstice are not defined by climate. They are defined by the position of the sun with resulting length of day. There is nothing remarkable about noting equinox and solstice. They happen twice per year, every year.
LOL.

If say an equinox takes place on date X when it is spring in present times then in the distant past when it was winter on date X due to climate change brought on by tilt of the earth's axis the same equinox would take place and would be called a winter equinox.

Besides, the changing tilt of the earth over millennia would cause a difference in the location of the heat zones in terms of latitudinal extent as well as in the apparent movement of the sun between the tropics which would as a result either shrink or extend as the case may be through the 0 degree latitudes.

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