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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#74646 Jun 24, 2014
What the Tanach says in the original language or in translated versions is the same unadulterated devilish BS which none except idiots can deny.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#74647 Jun 24, 2014
FANATICAL VERMIN

Fanatical vermin like Frijoles make up the usual silly excuse of saying that the Tanach should be read in the original language before they can enter into debate with others. These brainless vermin say this since they don't want to be confronted with all the devilish BS found in the Hebrew Bible but what is forgotten in the bargain is that the original language too recounts the same evil that is found in say its English translation and besides the scripture has been translated into several languages by rabbis or Jewish scholars themselves and in these authorized versions, too, we read the same devilish BS.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#74648 Jun 24, 2014
I have never been among the B'nai B'rith, but it is said that they have an occult teaching regarding their origin and nature that is similar to voodoo.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74649 Jun 24, 2014
Frijoles---Sorry I dont do bastardized translations in English.

HughBe--- Is that what you are calling the English translation done by your rabbis or masters at Chabad?

Your rabbis BASTARDIZED translation is below, explain the words and tell me where the firstborn should go for sacrifices, offerings, tithes etc.

Hint: Is it America, land of Reuben, land of Issachar, land of Dan, land of Manasseh or is "THE PLACE which the Lord your God shall CHOOSE from ALL your tribes, to set His Name there; you shall inquire after His dwelling and COME there."

Where is the PLACE that the Lord CHOSE?

What does COME THERE mean?

Deuteronomy 12
"These are the statutes and ordinances that you shall keep to perform in the land which the Lord God of your fathers gives you to possess all the days that you live on the earth........TO THE PLACE which the Lord your God shall CHOOSE from ALL your tribes, to set His Name there; you shall inquire after His dwelling and come there. And THERE you shall BRING your burnt OFFERINGS, and your SACRIFICES, and your TITHES, and the separation by your hand, and your VOWS and your DONATIONS, and the FIRSTBORN of your CATTLE and of your sheep And THERE you shall EAT BEFORE the Lord, your God, and you shall rejoice in all your endeavors you and your households, as the Lord, your God, has blessed you."

Frijoles----Hows that wave offering doing?

HUghBe--- Based on the texts above from the Complete Jewish Bible you tell me where the wave offering ceremony would be performed. Is it in the PLACE where the Israelites were COMMANDED to GO TO?

Based on the passage above what is your misunderstanding of "THERE you shall EAT BEFORE the Lord"? Where would they go to be BEFORE the Lord?

Have you given your wave offering to the priests?

Have they waved it BEFORE the Lord?

Does BEFORE the Lord mean in the land of Dan?

Finally, like Eric you are clueless as to what yo are asking and are both dim-witted idiots.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#74650 Jun 24, 2014
FOR JEWS MONEY-MAKING IS INBORN:

One day, a kindergarten class teacher asked her class of 5 years olds about who was be the most famous man in the whole of history.

Many said Chengiz Khan, Abe Lincoln, Mahatma Gandhi, Mao, Pele and Adolf Hitler.

The teacher said, "wrong".

Finally, it was the turn of a cute Jewish boy born in the subcon region who's never eaten non-vegetarian food since age 2 due to an allergy which makes him ill if he happens to consume even a bit of meat, fish or eggs. He boldly stood up and said: "The most famous man in the whole of history is Jesus Christ."

The Christian teacher was thrilled and awarded him the prize of honor with $100 for giving out the "correct" answer.

Later, in the day, when the intrigued teacher asked the boy: "J, you, being a Jew, why did you say that Jesus, the enemy of the Jews, is the most famous man in history for which you were awarded the first prize that carried a cash award of the equivalent of $ 100?"

J, the cute 5 year old, smiled and winked and replied: "Madam, in my heart I know the most famous man in history is Moses but I deliberately said Jesus knowing the answer would fetch me the first prize with the $100; business is business. Making tons of money is in my blood."

(smiles)

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#74651 Jun 24, 2014
JOEL wrote:
FANATICAL VERMIN
Fanatical vermin like Frijoles make up the usual silly excuse of saying that the Tanach should be read in the original language before they can enter into debate with others. These brainless vermin say this since they don't want to be confronted with all the devilish BS found in the Hebrew Bible but what is forgotten in the bargain is that the original language too recounts the same evil that is found in say its English translation and besides the scripture has been translated into several languages by rabbis or Jewish scholars themselves and in these authorized versions, too, we read the same devilish BS.
What an ignorant statement...check out Matthew 22:44 see the link below and see why the original is the ONLY way to understand the Hebrew bible.

http://outreachjudaism.org/psalm110/

The many false translations are the reasons Jews reject Jesus..here's another...

http://outreachjudaism.org/septuagint-virgin-...

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#74652 Jun 24, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
I have never been among the B'nai B'rith, but it is said that they have an occult teaching regarding their origin and nature that is similar to voodoo.
'It is said'

I bet you swallow
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#74653 Jun 24, 2014
Where's Hugh, the jet black eunuch? LOL.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74654 Jun 24, 2014
Frijoles---Nowhere in my text does it say that the negative commandments are particular to certain geographies. However, it is fair to interpret.

HughBe--- Did I say otherwise? So don't floc your neighbour's wife is it limited to geography?

Frijoles---Thats the point. You make ASSUMPTIONS.

HughBe--- Specify the assumptions. Explain, did I say otherwise.

Frijoles---So, the question, is why can YOU make assumptions, but you will not respect the assumptions of others (such as the rabbis of the Talmudic period).

HughBe--- I have made NO assumptions. It is difficult for an honest person like me to respect blatant dishonesty. It is also difficult for a person like me who God Himself has blessed with wisdom and good sense to think much of the nonsensical doctrines of men like your masters.

Frijoles---Who made you the lord only?

HughBe--- I don't know about the ONLY part.

Frijoles---We are making baby steps, here.

HughBe--- Indeed, you are always making baby steps. I look forward to the day when your steps become that of an adult.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#74655 Jun 24, 2014
scirocco wrote:
<quoted text>

What an ignorant statement...check out Matthew 22:44.
Brainless Idiot,

I was not referring to the mistranslations of certain verses in Tanach by Christians who go out of their way to use the mistranslated version to support the so-called divinity of Jesus and to make out that he was the Jewish messiah.

I am well aware of these tricks employed by the filthy Christian translators.

I was explicitly referring to the mayhem, curses, abuses, bigotry, cruelty, murder, genocides, rapes, blood sacrifices, pimping of one's wife, bashing babies against rocks, cannibalizing one's own kids, stoning disobedient sons to death and other such evils that are found in both the original teachings of the Hebrew Bible as well as in the translated versions of Jewish authors or Christian translators.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#74656 Jun 24, 2014
scirocco wrote:
<quoted text>

I bet you swallow
Another homosexual on this thread that is infested with gays. LOL.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74657 Jun 24, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
FOR JEWS MONEY-MAKING IS INBORN:
One day, a kindergarten class teacher asked her class of 5 years olds about who was be the most famous man in the whole of history.
Many said Chengiz Khan, Abe Lincoln, Mahatma Gandhi, Mao, Pele and Adolf Hitler.
The teacher said, "wrong".
Finally, it was the turn of a cute Jewish boy born in the subcon region who's never eaten non-vegetarian food since age 2 due to an allergy which makes him ill if he happens to consume even a bit of meat, fish or eggs. He boldly stood up and said: "The most famous man in the whole of history is Jesus Christ."
The Christian teacher was thrilled and awarded him the prize of honor with $100 for giving out the "correct" answer.
Later, in the day, when the intrigued teacher asked the boy: "J, you, being a Jew, why did you say that Jesus, the enemy of the Jews, is the most famous man in history for which you were awarded the first prize that carried a cash award of the equivalent of $ 100?"
J, the cute 5 year old, smiled and winked and replied: "Madam, in my heart I know the most famous man in history is Moses but I deliberately said Jesus knowing the answer would fetch me the first prize with the $100; business is business. Making tons of money is in my blood."
(smiles)
Joel----FOR JEWS MONEY-MAKING IS INBORN:

HughBe--- BS. Observation, nothing is wrong with ANY human being making money and I say more power to those who make it. However, all those who make it must do so with honour.

Joel---"J, you, being a Jew, why did you say that Jesus, the enemy of the Jews, is the most famous man in history for which you were awarded the first prize that carried a cash award of the equivalent of $ 100?"

HughBe---- It is interesting and SAD to be reminded that Jesus,the Jew, is the enemy of Jews. I call on ALL Jews to LEARN about Jesus for yourselves and then you shall see who are your real enemies. Read the New Testament i.e. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

YOU have been DECEIVED and LIED to by men who seek to DOMINATE and ENSLAVE you for their PERSONAL gains.

Later
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#74658 Jun 24, 2014
Get lost, okhel batachat.

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#74659 Jun 24, 2014
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
Brainless Idiot,
I was not referring to the mistranslations of certain verses in Tanach by Christians who go out of their way to use the mistranslated version to support the so-called divinity of Jesus and to make out that he was the Jewish messiah.
I am well aware of these tricks employed by the filthy Christian translators.
I was explicitly referring to the mayhem, curses, abuses, bigotry, cruelty, murder, genocides, rapes, blood sacrifices, pimping of one's wife, bashing babies against rocks, cannibalizing one's own kids, stoning disobedient sons to death and other such evils that are found in both the original teachings of the Hebrew Bible as well as in the translated versions of Jewish authors or Christian translators.
How utterly ignorant of the teachings of the Hebrew Bible...H/T to Kosgar

How can the Jews claim to be so committed to peace, when the Torah commands the destruction of some cities? Sometimes war is necessary. Judaism teaches that while the supreme value is life, we're not pacifists. Wiping out evil is also part of justice. Dangerous disputes must be resolved, because if you choose to leave evil alone -- it will eventually attack you (Rashi, Deut. 20:12).

It is ironic that the Torah, which introduced to the world the concept of the sanctity of life -- is now criticized as being "cruel" by today's Western civilizations, which are built on the Jewish moral foundation! People today can only criticize ancient Hebrews because those very Hebrews taught them that murder, conquest, and abuse are wrong and immoral. The values such as respect of life, freedom, and brotherhood, all stem from Judaism. The mindset that wiping out a city is "immoral" exists because Jews taught that to the world!

People today don't relate to the concept that if you don't destroy evil, it will destroy you. Today, most Westerners grow up in quiet neighborhoods, and never experience war, persecution and racism. So it's easy to pontificate peace and brotherhood at the expense of defense. There's a well-known joke defining a liberal as "a conservative who has never been mugged." Questioning the ancient Hebrews' sense of justice and morality is not really fair if you haven't dealt with harsh reality of their experience.

Even as the Jews drew close to a battle, they were commanded to act with mercy, as the Torah states, "When approaching a town to attack it, first offer them peace." (Deut. 20:10) For example, before entering the Land of Israel, Joshua wrote three letters to the Canaanite nations. The first letter said, "Anyone who wants to leave Israel, has permission to leave." If they refused, a second letter said, "Whoever wants to make peace, can make peace." If they again refused, a final letter warned, "Whoever wants to fight, get ready to fight." Upon receiving these letters, only one of the Canaanite nations, the Girgashites, heeded the call and settled peacefully.

In the event that the Canaanite nations chose not to make a treaty, the Jewish people were still commanded to fight mercifully! For example, when besieging a city to conquer it, the Jews never surrounded it on all four sides. This way, one side was always left open to allow for anyone who wanted to escape.(see Maimonides - Laws of Kings, ch. 6)

People mistakenly think that the Torah's directive was to wipe out the Canaanites indiscriminately, in a cruel fashion. In truth, the Jews would have preferred that the nations never deserved punishment. That's why the Canaanites were given many chances to accept peace terms. Even though abominable inhuman practice had been indoctrinated into the Canaanite psyche, the hope was that they'd change and accept the seven universal laws of humanity.

to be continued...

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#74660 Jun 24, 2014
These "Laws of Noah" are basic to any functioning society:

Do not murder.
Do not steal.
Do not worship false gods.
Do not be sexually immoral.
Do not eat the limb of an animal before it is killed.
Do not curse God.
Set up courts and bring offenders to justice.

At the root of these laws lies the vital concept that there is a God Who created each and every person in His image, and that each person is dear to the Almighty and must be respected accordingly. These seven laws are the pillars of human civilization. They are the factors, which distinguish a city of humans from a jungle of wild animals.

It is interesting that throughout Jewish history, waging war has always been a tremendous personal and national ordeal, which ran contrary to the Jews' peace-loving nature. At various stages throughout the 40-year trek in the desert, Moses is forced to reprimand the Jews for having the fear of war. He inspires them with various pep talks, and assurances of victory.(see Exodus 14:13 with Ibn Ezra; Numbers 21:34 with Nachmanides; Deut. 31:6)

The reality is that war makes one callous and cruel. Therefore, since God Himself commanded the Jews to rid the land of evil, God likewise promised the soldiers that they would retain their compassionate nature. In the words of the Torah: "God will have compassion on you, and reverse any display of anger that might have existed" (Deut. 13:18).
Waging war with enthusiasm has always been a Jewish test. King Saul lost his kingdom when he showed misplaced mercy by allowing the Amalekite king to live. And in modern times, when Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir was asked if she could forgive Egypt for killing Israeli soldiers, she replied, "It is more difficult for me to forgive Egypt for making us kill their soldiers."
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#74662 Jun 24, 2014
OMG! Where's Hugh? LOL

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#74663 Jun 24, 2014
scirocco wrote:
Do not worship false gods.
What do you mean by a false God?

By what objective yardstick can the other Gods be called "false Gods"?

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#74664 Jun 24, 2014
JOEL wrote:
OMG! Where's Hugh? LOL
You need help?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74665 Jun 24, 2014
JOEL wrote:
OMG! Where's Hugh? LOL
Love you too dear but I must go now.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#74666 Jun 24, 2014
scirocco wrote:
Do not curse God.
But, this G-d curses, abuses, maims, kills and threatens all those who don't worship it or who don't follow its commands.

What kind of a G-d is this?

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