And India with its great school that you laud has never placed higher than 7th.( 29 11 23 36 28 31 25 35 36 14 15 9 7 14 18 7 15 14 14 16 15 21 10 17 25) If Indian schools are so great, why do their students score so low?US TEAM MEMBERS AT IMO 2012:
1) Bobby Shen  Gold
2) David Yang  Gold
3) Thomas Swayze  Gold
4) Mitchell Lee  Gold
5) Ravi Jagadeesan  Gold
6) Xiaoyu He  Silver
(5 out of the 6 US team members are Asians  LOL)
(US Team Leader: Zuming Feng, Deputy Team Leader: PoShen Loh
US team ranked 3rd at IMO 2012 after South Korea and China.
Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel
There are 72098 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 21, 2008, titled Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel. In it, Newsday reports that:
Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15yearold Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a boobytrapped gift basket sent to his family.Join the discussion below, or Read more at Newsday.
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Apr 23, 2014


JOEL COOL DUDE
Since: Jan 14 4,997 Location hidden 
#72382
Apr 23, 2014
Chinese by birth, American by citizenship. 
JOEL COOL DUDE
Since: Jan 14 4,997 Location hidden 
#72383
Apr 23, 2014
Yes, that's surprising. One reason is that the IMO syllabus is quite different from the IIT JEE syllabus in some ways and to prepare for the IIT JEE one needs to work hard on Math, Physics and Chem and do exceedingly well at the entrance in all the 3 subjects to get a high rank. However, India does very well at the IPhO (International Physics Olympiad) and placed 4th some years ago. India also does well at IChO. 
JOEL COOL DUDE
Since: Jan 14 4,997 Location hidden 
#72385
Apr 23, 2014
IIT JEE MATH SYLLABUS
PART 2: Differential calculus Real valued functions of a real variable, into, onto and onetoone functions, sum, difference, product and quotient of two functions, composite functions, absolute value, polynomial, rational, trigonometric, exponential and logarithmic functions. Limit and continuity of a function, limit and continuity of the sum, difference, product and quotient of two functions, L'Hospital rule of evaluation of limits of functions. Even and odd functions, inverse of a function, continuity of composite functions, intermediate value property of continuous functions. Derivative of a function, derivative of the sum, difference, product and quotient of two functions, chain rule, derivatives of polynomial, rational, trigonometric, inverse trigonometric, exponential and logarithmic functions. Derivatives of implicit functions, derivatives up to order two, geometrical interpretation of the derivative, tangents and normals, increasing and decreasing functions, maximum and minimum values of a function, applications of Rolle's Theorem and Lagrange's Mean Value Theorem. Integral calculus Integration as the inverse process of differentiation, indefinite integrals of standard functions, definite integrals and their properties, application of the Fundamental Theorem of Integral Calculus. Integration by parts, integration by the methods of substitution and partial fractions, application of definite integrals to the determination of areas involving simple curves. Formation of ordinary differential equations, solution of homogeneous differential equations, variables separable method, linear first order differential equations. Vectors Addition of vectors, scalar multiplication, scalar products, dot and cross products, scalar triple products and their geometrical interpretations. 
JOEL COOL DUDE
Since: Jan 14 4,997 Location hidden 
#72386
Apr 23, 2014
IIT JEE MATH SYLLABUS
PART 3 Algebra of complex numbers, addition, multiplication, conjugation, polar representation, properties of modulus and principal argument, triangle inequality, cube roots of unity, geometric interpretations. Quadratic equations with real coefficients, relations between roots and coefficients, formation of quadratic equations with given roots, symmetric functions of roots. Arithmetic, geometric and harmonic progressions, arithmetic, geometric and harmonic means, sums of finite arithmetic and geometric progressions, infinite geometric series, sums of squares and cubes of the first n natural numbers. Logarithms and their properties. Permutations and combinations, Binomial theorem for a positive integral index, properties of binomial coefficients. Matrices as a rectangular array of real numbers, equality of matrices, addition, multiplication by a scalar and product of matrices, transpose of a matrix, determinant of a square matrix of order up to three, inverse of a square matrix of order up to three, properties of these matrix operations, diagonal, symmetric and skewsymmetric matrices and their properties, solutions of simultaneous linear equations in two or three variables. Addition and multiplication rules of probability, conditional probability, independence of events, computation of probability of events using permutations and combinations. 
JOEL COOL DUDE
Since: Jan 14 4,997 Location hidden 
#72387
Apr 23, 2014
IIT JEE MATH SYLLABUS
PART 4 Trigonometric functions, their periodicity and graphs, addition and subtraction formulae, formulae involving multiple and submultiple angles, general solution of trigonometric equations. Relations between sides and angles of a triangle, sine rule, cosine rule, halfangle formula and the area of a triangle, inverse trigonometric functions (principal value only). Analytical geometry Two dimensions: Cartesian coordinates, distance between two points, section formulae, shift of origin. Equation of a straight line in various forms, angle between two lines, distance of a point from a line. Lines through the point of intersection of two given lines, equation of the bisector of the angle between two lines, concurrency of lines, centroid, orthocentre, incentre and circumcentre of a triangle. Equation of a circle in various forms, equations of tangent, normal and chord. Parametric equations of a circle, intersection of a circle with a straight line or a circle, equation of a circle through the points of intersection of two circles and those of a circle and a straight line. Equations of a parabola, ellipse and hyperbola in standard form, their foci, directrices and eccentricity, parametric equations, equations of tangent and normal. Locus Problems. Three dimensions: Direction cosines and direction ratios, equation of a straight line in space, equation of a plane, distance of a point from a plane. 
JOEL COOL DUDE
Since: Jan 14 4,997 Location hidden 
#72388
Apr 23, 2014
SYLLABUS FOR THE IMO:
Number systems, arithmetic of integers, geometry, quadratic equations and expressions, trigonometry, coordinate geometry, systems of linear equations, permutations and combinations, factorisation of polynomials, inequalities, elementary combinatorics, probability theory, number theory, infinite series, complex numbers and elementary graph theory. Calculus and statistics are not included. NOTE: The typical areas for problems at the IMO are: number theory, geometry, algebra and combinatorics. 
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Apr 24, 2014
How do you know they were born in China? They are Americans. 
“Legumes of the World Unite ” Since: Sep 11 10,428 Location hidden 
#72390
Apr 24, 2014
I admit that the Amazon descriptions could be better (to support my point that there are more god concepts out there than you might assume) but the book is from the perspective of applied kabbala  hardly the old man in the sky god concept. Incidentally, the author is an orthodox Rabbi. But read these reviews: 3 of 3 people found the following review helpful Excellent read for anyone the zealot or the agnostic By Dora White on September 7, 2007 Format: Paperback Verified Purchase This book expounds on the Jewish perspective of God and nullifies misconceptions. It elucidates the mystical concept of a Higher Being and introduces a new concept of Panentheism as an addendum to Monotheism. This books is very useful and a very good, smooth read. It does an excellent job of clarifying the concept of God in Judaism. 1 of 1 people found the following review helpful 4.0 out of 5 stars Some Medieval Reticence, August 12, 2010 By Eric Maroney (Trumansburg, NY) See all my reviews Verified Purchase(What's this?) This review is from: The Secret Life of God: Discovering the Divine Within You (Hardcover) Rabbi David Aaron is a great speaker, getting his ideas across with clarity and humor. Much of this shows through in The Secret Life of God. Here, the Rabbi walks the fine line between pantheism and panentheism. He wants God to literally fill the whole universe, and have people and the universe be an expression of God; but he also wants God to be separate from people and the universe, so Judaism does not fall into what he views as the trap of pantheism. These are tricky arguments, and the neat division between pantheism and panentheism is still one that I do not see (or understand). Regardless, it is refreshing to see Rabbi Aaron express some of the more esoteric doctrines of the Kabalah, long considered dangerous, and share his trepidation in writing them down. In a world where everything is accessible and everything is uttered, it is pleasing to see a little medieval reticence. 5.0 out of 5 stars Empowering look at Jewish understanding of Divinity, June 16, 2013 By Weshakat  See all my reviews Verified Purchase(What's this?) This review is from: The Secret Life of God: Discovering the Divine within You (Paperback) This is not written by your average Rabbi. David Aaron makes the heart of the Kabbalah understandable for Jewish and nonJewish (me) readers. And by introducing a panentheistic view of the Divine he opens up a whole new realm of understanding. 
“Legumes of the World Unite ” Since: Sep 11 10,428 Location hidden 
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Apr 24, 2014
That wasnt my argument. We already discussed that days ago. Our discussion was over what a "god concept" meant vs God. I introduced the term god concept to acknowledge that any discussion about what Jews believe should include conceptions of God beyond the old man in the sky IMPLIED by classic theism. Then, as a response to your questioning, I went on to claim that these approaches are now popular (again) enough to be considered mainstream.(I say "again,. because they were popular until a few hundred years as well). I never, or didnt intend, to bring the discussion on what I believed. Rather I was trying to objectively address what Jews believed. To really get into the differences of classic theism vs panentheism and hasidism is really beyond the scope of our discussion for now, and gets complicated. Hence the need for books like those. But one academic point I will make again is that panentheism et al isnt necessarily OPPOSED to theism, rather it is viewing the issue from a totally different philosophical framework altogether  an analytical framework that is more useful for understanding the depth of accepted Jewish theologies than the theism vs atheism framework. Since you earlier posed the question about what Jews believed and the boundaries of their belief (i.e. what is acceptable and what is not) all of these posts (especially the books) have not been to waste  rather they are presented as an answer to your question about what is considered within the realm of acceptable beliefs. 
#72392
Apr 24, 2014
The kids never lived in China. Born in US. How many generations must go by until you will recognize them as Americans? I am only the second generation of my family born in the US. Am I Ukrainian and Lithuanian or am I American? Or, even better, am I Spanish since my family sailed to the Ukraine in the 15th Century? Or, am I Russian because the Russian Empire ruled the Ukraine and Lithuania when my families left at the turn of the 20th Century. 

#72393
Apr 24, 2014
It seems that in many religions  not just Judaism  "anything goes" these days. Vatican II loosed things up for Catholics quite a bit, back in the 60s. The institutions have probably realized if they're too strict, they will lose numbers and fail to thrive. The need butts in the pews and money to survive. But we are still speaking within the context of religion, god, god concept  yes, theism. Without that, you have no collective, no organization, nothing to bring you out of you house on the weekends. 

#72394
Apr 24, 2014
And, why is IIT ranked so low in world wide rankingsboth overall and by subjectif it's so great? http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/worldu... 

#72395
Apr 24, 2014
Catholics believe in one god (in 3 persons). This is religion 101. Whatever happened to your love of nuance? Not too hard to keep this straight. If you want to redefine the major religions, the Abrahamic, monotheistic religions, have at it. Doesn't mean everyone will agree, but if your definitions work for you  ok. Christianity came of out of Judaism. This is a fact. They share a largely common belief up to the JC portion of the story. I posted the god concept article which included pantheism et al. If you simply want to say "god is everywhere" or everything or god is a tree. You have a god concept. I see that as theism. One I don't share. We can disagree on that. But I think you somehow want to have an "other" belief. I agree with CoR about theism being a binary switch and clearly yours is ON. It may just come down to labeling but that's how I see it. And the god concept bit supports it. 

#72396
Apr 24, 2014
Conceptions of God in monotheist, pantheist and panentheist religions – or of the supreme deity in henotheistic religions – can extend to various levels of abstraction:
##as a powerful, humanlike, supernatural being, or as the deification of an esoteric, mystical or philosophical entity or category; ##as the "Ultimate", the summum bonum, the "Absolute Infinite", the "Transcendent", or Existence or Being itself; ##as the ground of being, the monistic substrate, that which we cannot understand; and so on. __________ Pantheism is the belief that the universe (or nature as the totality of everything) is identical with divinity,[1] or that everything composes an allencompassing, immanent God.[2] Pantheists thus do not believe in a distinct personal or anthropomorphic god.[3] Some Eastern religions are considered to be pantheistically inclined. __________ So I clearly see we aren't talking about the old man up in the sky. But we are still talking about a god concept. Divinity. That everything comes from a source other than themselves. This gives them someone to pray to. "Some consider it a theological and philosophical position concerning God.[4]:p.8" God. Atheists don't have this sort of take on things. That switch is turned off (for now anyway). Yours is turned on. Theism/god belief switch is on. Not that there's anything wrong with that. 

JOEL COOL DUDE
Since: Jan 14 4,997 Location hidden 
#72397
Apr 24, 2014
Ok, if you insist on citizenship and not on ethnic background as a criterion. What I meant is that every year Asians settled in the US represent the US at the IMO, IPhO, IChO etc, whereas Whites are nowhere in the picture. 
JOEL COOL DUDE
Since: Jan 14 4,997 Location hidden 
#72399
Apr 24, 2014
With the exception of a few individual departments of the IITs who rank in the top 50 or so, most score low. This is because most of the top ranking students leave the IITs after the undergrad stage and move to the the US for grad studies and usually settle down in the US after completion of the PhD and make significant contributions to the STEM scene in the US. In fact, we see the best Western universities giving IIT undergrads direct placements in grad schools and teams of professors from the elite US universities travel to the IIT campuses each year picking up the best IIT undergrads for admission to grad school in the US. However, due to serious brain drain, the IITs are left with very little talent as all their best students leave after the undergrad degree never to return and besides R & D budgets are small in India. In this way, India and other nations lose their best brains to the US or Europe. When India sent the Mars Rover into space, it was the 3rd or 4th nation in the world to do so and it achieved the feat on a shoestring budget that amazed the scientific community everywhere. Same story for India's lunar probe that was the first to discover water on the moon. Even India's supercomputing field is done on a small budget and its supercomputers are among the top performing supercomputers in the world. There are signs of some of our top intellectual talent returning to India and so things look encouraging on the R & D scene. 
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Apr 24, 2014
So, now you are a racist. These kids are not Asians settled in the US. They are Americans born here. They are Americans educated in American schools. How long do their families have to live here before you remove the stigma and they become just Americans? 

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#72401
Apr 24, 2014
Silver rule is a little different and is really just the converse of the Golden rule. What I posted has been referred to as the Platinum Rule (although I don't think it's official or commonly agreed upon). Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Silver Rule: "Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you" Platinum Rule: "Treat others the way they want to be treated." Both the Golden and Silver rules imply that you both agree on what it is that you consider positive or negative behavior. The platinum rule requires that you empathize with the person and understand what is acceptable to them (which may differ from what is acceptable to you). The Platinum rule need not be (should not be) taken to the Ayn Rand extreme. An implication of not doing harm to others would be to not allow harm to occur to others. This means helping out the less fortunate. The libertarian philosophy is not necessarily "leave me alone and I'll leave you alone", but rather, "we know how to help each other, we don't need government to force us to do it". All the rules are proactive. 
#72402
Apr 24, 2014
Though Ayn Rand didn't believe in charity. She believed it caused more harm than good. Libertarians can live with private, voluntary charity however. But not via gov't or taxation. Of course my father in law is a (lovely) old crank at this point. But he's very tired of the "takers" and sees them everywhere! He probably doesn't believe most "others" deserve to be treated the way he would like to be, as in, they haven't earned it. Hence my guess is he'd stick with the Silver Rule. 

 
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