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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

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#71009 Apr 7, 2014
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- Understand, in the real world naturalization makes one a RESIDENT of a particular country and so help me with your parallel and tell me where do these CONVERTS live? Which country do they live in? Do they live in ISRAEL?
Hint: where does a naturalized American live?
Adam---They are part of the Jewish Nation no matter where they live.
HughBe--- Son, you have NOT understood your own parallel so how do you expect to understand a higher level of thinking?
HughBe--- First, what are they converting to? Are they converting to the nation or to the religion JUDAISM?
Adam---Both
HughBe--- How does one COVERT from one biological state into another? Explain the scientific process that would make YOU become the BIOLOGICAL relative of mine via religion.
Also, are you saying that such CONVERTS in Jamaica have land rights in Israel?
Tell me about the land rights in ISRAEL of converts from ALL over the world.
Adam---They have none(land rights) other than a right to RETURN and live in the land of Israel
HughBe--- Listen well genius, I want you to INSTRUCT your fellow special people that one CANNOT RETURN to where s/he or his ancestors did NOT come from. Also, who on EARTH can deny any JEW of the land given to them by God? Can your rabbis do so? Can the Israeli Government do so? Mightier are your masters than their Creator, in your mind and in theirs.
Now son, keep in mind that converts are JEWS and ALL Jews have God-given rights to the land and this is my unshakable position not just in the current context.
HughBe--- Such a statement is what makes me know that people at your level follow others blindly.
Adam---Your ignorance exceeds your Hu-bris
HughBe---Am I not Hu-gh? How can I exceed myself by being Hu-bris?
HughBe---Lesson: When a person becomes a naturalized citizen of the US the person LIVES in the US and this is completely OPPOSITE to what obtains in your naturalization process that you absurdly claim "makes JEWS like every OTHER nation on EARTH".
In the context ,see lesson, tell me where on EARTH is the nation JEWS ? I can find Jamaica and the US etc so help me with the nation called JEWS. Recall YOU said, "naturalization process is what makes Jews like every other nation on earth"
Adam---Lesson: Jews are a Nation with a homeland in the land of Israel. Are the Cherokees a Nation? Are the Roma a Nation ? Are the Kurds a Nation. Some Nations have no states.
HughBe--- Son, YOU made the parallel of Jews with nation states which was and still is BS. Stop deceiving your silly little self.
Do you have anything of value to add or not?

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#71010 Apr 7, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Address the post below.
Adam--- 1. "No one can CONVERT to become an Arab, Japanese, black or white. Those are all ethnicities."
2. You also said "A person BORN a Jew"
HughBe----Explain the difference between 1& 2 .
Now you have said that people are BORN Jews and also that people can become Jews by CONVERSION. Effectively you have also said that people are BORN Arabs etc. so explain to me why others cannot CONVERT and become Arabs just like the case of JEWS.
Explain in details the logic and TRUTH of your sentiments.
Can a person CONVERT to Arab?

If you are truthful you will have your answer.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71011 Apr 7, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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JOEL COOL DUDE---Which is the gentlemen's club in Mumbai that I mentioned?
Former---As I recall you only the mentioned the fact of it, not the name of it.
Perhaps you had been there or were going there.
HughBe--- I believe that both of you would fit in just fine.
Hey. mon. Where u been? Hope you didn't fall down again and break your glasses.

You still owe me a reply from 2-3 days ago.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#71012 Apr 7, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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What kind of BMW is?
rabbee: big man's walking, shoes.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71013 Apr 7, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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Do you have anything of value to add or not?
The value is above your head and so you on your own strength of mind are unable to see it. Get someone to explain it to you.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71014 Apr 7, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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Can a person CONVERT to Arab?
If you are truthful you will have your answer.
Let me try once more. Please address the post and cut the BS.

Adam--- 1. "No one can CONVERT to become an Arab, Japanese, black or white. Those are all ethnicities."

2. You also said "A person BORN a Jew"

HughBe----Explain the difference between 1& 2 .
Now you have said that people are BORN Jews and also that people can become Jews by CONVERSION. Effectively you have also said that people are BORN Arabs etc. so explain to me why others cannot CONVERT and become Arabs just like the case of JEWS.

Explain in details the logic and TRUTH of your sentiments.

----------

Adam---Can a person CONVERT to Arab? If you are truthful you will have your answer.

HughBe--- I have been trying to get you to become like me meaning truthful and straightforward. I have not given up on you so son please address my post above and then I shall address yours which is below it. Recall, my post above is a REPEAT and it is before yours.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71015 Apr 7, 2014
former res wrote:
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Hey. mon. Where u been? Hope you didn't fall down again and break your glasses.
You still owe me a reply from 2-3 days ago.
Falling down is not a habit of mine and even though I fell I did not dash my feet against a rock.

Repost your concern.

How are you? Will you be going with Joel to the men's club?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71016 Apr 7, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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Do you have anything of value to add or not?
Are you saying to me that Abraham's SEEDS included those who are not his BIOLOGICAL children?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71017 Apr 7, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- I have been trying to get you to become like me....
Jesus, is that you?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71018 Apr 7, 2014
For Huggy:

Personal life[edit]

Stewart is Jewish by ethnicity but is irreligious.[102]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Stewart#Pers...
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71019 Apr 7, 2014
Adam---Who was King David's great-grandmother?

HughBe--- I sincerely hope that you do not think that Ruth, David's great-grandmother, was the great-grand-mother of Abraham. Do you?

(DECLARE the FEELINGS that moved you to ask the question.)
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71020 Apr 7, 2014
back in a few minutes.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#71021 Apr 7, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
The value is above your head and so you on your own strength of mind are unable to see it. Get someone to explain it to you.
Can you explain yourself or do you need remedial help?

You seem to lack the words to explain yourself.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#71022 Apr 7, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Adam---Who was King David's great-grandmother?
HughBe--- I sincerely hope that you do not think that Ruth, David's great-grandmother, was the great-grand-mother of Abraham. Do you?
(DECLARE the FEELINGS that moved you to ask the question.)
According to the Torah is was. Who do you think it was?

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#71023 Apr 7, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying to me that Abraham's SEEDS included those who are not his BIOLOGICAL children?
Nope. Are you?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71025 Apr 7, 2014
former res wrote:
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Jesus, is that you?
No dear, it is HughBe a witness of TRUTH.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#71026 Apr 7, 2014
I sincerely hope that you do not think that Ruth, David's great-grandmother, was the great-grand-mother of Abraham. Do you?
(DECLARE the FEELINGS that moved you to ask the question.)

Clarification......Abraham lived prior to King David. You are totally confused here.

Ruth was King David's great great grandmother.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71027 Apr 7, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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According to the Torah is was. Who do you think it was?
Adam---Who was King David's great-grandmother?

HughBe--- I sincerely hope that you do not think that Ruth, David's great-grandmother, was the great-grand-mother of Abraham. Do you?

Adam---According to the Torah is was. Who do you think it was?

HughBe--- Go sleep, you are confounded.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71028 Apr 7, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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Can you explain yourself or do you need remedial help?
You seem to lack the words to explain yourself.
Given your post about Ruth I am not surprised by your current utterance.

Do you need medical intervention? Yes. Will it help? I am not convinced given the severity of the condition.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#71029 Apr 7, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Address the post below.
Adam--- 1. "No one can CONVERT to become an Arab, Japanese, black or white. Those are all ethnicities."
2. You also said "A person BORN a Jew"
HughBe----Explain the difference between 1& 2 .
Now you have said that people are BORN Jews and also that people can become Jews by CONVERSION. Effectively you have also said that people are BORN Arabs etc. so explain to me why others cannot CONVERT and become Arabs just like the case of JEWS.
Explain in details the logic and TRUTH of your sentiments.
Rabbee: thank G-D i was born an american, and did not have to convert to being one. which is the biggest problem today, is they don't want to be americans.

but basically you can become a citizen, of any nation, who's traditions, customs and laws you accept. nationality and race, are not the same things. for there are usually more than, one race or family linage to most nations.

and even the alleged as jewish nation, is made up of more than one race or tribal family. for there were representatives, of all known nations at mt seeanee with Moshe. prior to that it appears to be, a particular arab family tribal thing. so i do not believe G-D, meant to be for only the alleged as jews. but that the alleged as jews, have not yet done what G-D really asked of them. they are selfish and greedy, by trying to keep the G-D of TheTorah here in IT all to their own arrogance.

and if you check scripture very, very, very few alleged as jews, have actually been true to G-D, here in The Living Torah truly. i can't even find one alleged as jew, true to G-D here in This Story from G-D again today. a few thousand jews true to G-D, out of the tens of millions that have existed since Moshe is not a good average.

so do not try to give me the illusion, that the alleged as jews are doing a good job. the pride of just calling yourself a jew, does not mean anything to G-D. calling yourself a jew, is as worthless as calling yourself, french, american, russian, muslim or any other atheist.

i can't even find one person, true to G-D here and now in The Torah Story again from G-D. for saying you are a jew, is no better than calling yourself a lizard, or other talking critter.

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