Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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#70418 Mar 30, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
The ex-Jew, David Bohm,.
source please

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#70419 Mar 30, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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sources please

not that I care per se whether he considered himself a Jew or not

Its your intellectual laziness thats the issue
Old monthly newsletters of the J Krishnamurti Foundation. Available in print form as a book.

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#70420 Mar 30, 2014
According to the ancient religions, God is unnameable, incomprehensible, a power that works within the universe as the universe exists within God. According to renown Physicist David Bohm:

“Bohm believes that life and consciousness are enfolded deep in the generative order and are therefore present in varying degrees of
unfoldment in all matter, including supposedly “inanimate” matter such as electrons or plasmas. He suggests that there is a “protointelligence” in matter, so that new evolutionary developments do not emerge in a random fashion but creatively as relatively integrated wholes from implicate levels of reality. The mystical connotations of Bohm’s ideas are underlined by his remark that the implicate domain “could equally well be called Idealism, Spirit, Consciousness. The separation of the two — matter and spirit — is an abstraction. The ground is always one.”(Quoted in Michael Talbot, The Holographic Universe, HarperCollins, New York, 1991, p. 271.)’

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#70421 Mar 30, 2014
Oneness (echad)

Sounds pretty darn theologically Jewish to me

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#70422 Mar 30, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Old monthly newsletters of the J Krishnamurti Foundation. Available in print form as a book.
cite the precise reference please

no room for sloppiness here

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#70423 Mar 30, 2014
David Bohm is a monist thinker of the Vedanta school. The holon theory of brain working that he developed in association with his guru, J Krishnamurti, dates back to the Upanishads. The Upanishads, in turn, drew on the idea of the holon from the mystical observations of the seers of the Rig Veda.

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#70424 Mar 30, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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cite the precise reference please

no room for sloppiness here
The book is edited by Pupul Jaykar and is a publication of the J Krishnamurti Foundation.

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#70425 Mar 30, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
David Bohm:

“Bohm believes that life and consciousness are enfolded deep in the generative order and are therefore present in varying degrees of unfoldment in all matter, including supposedly “inanimate” matter such as electrons or plasmas. He suggests that there is a “protointelligence” in matter, so that new evolutionary developments do not emerge in a random fashion but creatively as relatively integrated wholes from implicate levels of reality. The mystical connotations of Bohm’s ideas are underlined by his remark that the implicate domain “could equally well be called Idealism, Spirit, Consciousness. The separation of the two — matter and spirit — is an abstraction. The ground is always one.”

(Quoted in Michael Talbot, The Holographic Universe, HarperCollins, New York, 1991, p. 271.)’
Pure Vedantic view that in its ultimate essence is nondual but is holonic in the cosmic manifestation.

Bohm got the idea from his guru, J Krishnamurti.

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#70427 Mar 30, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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The book is edited by Pupul Jaykar and is a publication of the J Krishnamurti Foundation.
give me enough that i can find it in a library. Include the page numbers where he renounces Judaism.

I am not arguing his monism. I am asking you back up your statement "ex Jew".

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#70428 Mar 30, 2014
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Pure Vedantic view that in its ultimate essence is nondual but is holonic in the cosmic manifestation.
Bohm got the idea from his guru, J Krishnamurti.
Show me where he renounced Judaism

that was your claim

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#70429 Mar 30, 2014
again, I could care less if in fact, he did renounce Judaism

My issue is with your intellectual honesty

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#70430 Mar 30, 2014
VEDANTA teaches that Consciousness of Energy (Chit Shakti), which exceeds space, time and causation (desh-kaal-nimith) is the Ultimate Reality and that this consciousness of energy is essentially nondual in nature in which there's no I or you, no thou or they. It's simply one unified field of the consciousness of energy. However, Vedanta asserts that this unified field manifests as holons when it puts forth its conscious energy to form the universes. J Krishnamurti is simply repeating the old Vedanta ideas and transmitted the same to his disciples.

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#70431 Mar 30, 2014
Living in G-d and other weird Jewish ideas are ignorant rantings of fools who had not a single mystical experience nor whose brains were developed enough to understand the nondual-holonic reality. LOL.

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#70432 Mar 30, 2014
TORAH REJECTED BY UNESCO

1) The Rig Veda manuscripts from Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, Pune, India, have been selected for inscription in UNESCO's “Memory of the World”.

2) A tall Dancing Shiva bronze with Capra's detailed description , depicting the cycles of particle-anti particle annihilations, has been put up at the CERN campus.

(The filthy Torah and the ugly Menorah sit in the refuse bin with other Jewish rejects. LOL)

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#70433 Mar 30, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
VEDANTA teaches that Consciousness of Energy (Chit Shakti), which exceeds space, time and causation (desh-kaal-nimith) is the Ultimate Reality and that this consciousness of energy is essentially nondual in nature in which there's no I or you, no thou or they. It's simply one unified field of the consciousness of energy. However, Vedanta asserts that this unified field manifests as holons when it puts forth its conscious energy to form the universes. J Krishnamurti is simply repeating the old Vedanta ideas and transmitted the same to his disciples.
Universe to Joel

Vedanta did not pioneer these ideas

They are cross cultural

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#70434 Mar 30, 2014
Nondualism and holonism originated in the world's oldest spiritual text which is the Rig Veda.

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#70435 Mar 30, 2014
NONDUALISM-HOLONISM IN VEDAS

In the Vedas, the cosmos is the "brahmananda" (manifestation of the Brahman, field of Energy of Consciousness, Chit-Shakti), while the smallest particle is the "parmanu" which is the "pindananda" (miniature). Interestingly, it's said that the ""pindananda" (the particle) contains the whole ("brahmananda"). So, from nondualism in the seed the descent ends in the holon after manifestation of the seed. Wow!

Now, compare the evil Torah before this sublime and rational Vedic exposition.

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#70436 Mar 30, 2014
Carl Sagan and J Oppenheimer were great fans of the Vedas (not of the Torah). LOL.

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#70437 Mar 30, 2014
I am glowing all over after the yogic experience that lasted 2 days. It was a unique yogic experience...
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70438 Mar 30, 2014
Saw "The Book of Mormon" last night in Hartford.
Bushnell Center. Nice old venue.

Funny as hell.

South Park guys wrote it so very edgy, bad language, not for everyone.

One of the lines, "I can't believe Jesus just called me a dxck!" (which he did).

They make good fun of those folks but it's also good-natured with some good, funny songs. Bravo!

To my fellow nutmeggers, what's with the cheesy garlic bread up here? It seems like a lot of restaurants and pizza joints have it. I don't recall it growing up in Fairfield County (and definitely not in PA). It may be a Hartford/New Haven thing. It can be pretty good though.

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