Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

There are 72047 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 21, 2008, titled Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel. In it, Newsday reports that:

Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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former res

Cheshire, CT

#69425 Mar 15, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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If the hug is avuncular, I may be soothed and feel wanted since my mind, emotions and nerves are messed up.
I would like someone to comfort me and tell me that all will be well with me.
I want someone to care for me.
I can sense your avuncular concern and am comforted a wee bit.
I guess you're in your late 50s or early 60s.
Then consider this a warm (lust-free) hug from across the pond.

I do hope that you can maintain your peace of mind with a minimum of anxiety.

I am mid 50s (exactly) and do think of death from time to time but would not say I am afraid of it only of leaving behind substantial funds in my retirement account! But of course I would want my wife to be financially comfortable (and she or I would be).

We have no will yet but would likely leave or estate to nieces and nephews. How about you?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#69426 Mar 15, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Do you think there could an afterlife and if yes then what aspect of the person could experience life after death?
I do not believe in an afterlife. But of course, anything's possible.

As far as I know, the lights go out - and that's it.

I wouldn't mind being surprised, if a pleasant surprise that is.

What do you think? As a fellow "nonbeliever" in god...

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#69427 Mar 15, 2014
former res wrote:
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Then consider this a warm (lust-free) hug from across the pond.
Thank you.

I really appreciate the loving gesture.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#69428 Mar 15, 2014
former res wrote:
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I do hope that you can maintain your peace of mind with a minimum of anxiety.
I hope so too but my suffering is not of the ordinary kind and can not be understood using common medical examples without people drawing wrong conclusions about my case for the simple fact that they've not been exposed to occult phenomena involving certain ranges of energy/matter. Besides, to begin with, my late parents set a dangerous precedent and messed up my mind with their constant fights and physical abuse and love affairs and what not. I tell you had my childhood been emotionally stable, I'd not have been drawn to a monstrous guru who ruined me almost completely. It's now a daily battle in my mind, emotions and nervous system to stay alive and be moderately sane.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#69429 Mar 15, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

I am mid 50s (exactly) and do think of death from time to time but would not say I am afraid of it only of leaving behind substantial funds in my retirement account! But of course I would want my wife to be financially comfortable (and she or I would be).
Everyone thinks of death and most fear it and keep pushing it to the back of their mind until death strikes and one leaves behind everything.

I don't fear death because of my exposure to yoga.

Besides, I would have died on three occasions in the recent past and so all fear of death has left me and in many ways I would welcome death even this very instant instead of suffering perennially without respite and with no one to love me it may be better. I can't face this terrible ordeal and am cracking up. Even right now as I am typing this post, I am shivering and weeping. No matter how much my late parents messed up my mind yet they loved me and had they been alive today they'd have wept to see my deplorable plight.

I know happiness and peace and love are not for me but I always want others to be happy, peaceful and safe and to enjoy loving relationships and often when I see a loving family I feel happy for them and so sad for myself.

I want you and your family to be happy.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#69430 Mar 15, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>...my suffering is not of the ordinary kind and can not be understood ..
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that. I'd have a boat load of nickels.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#69431 Mar 15, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

We have no will yet but would likely leave or estate to nieces and nephews. How about you?
In my case, in view of my precarious existence, everything has been chalked out and if I die before 30 which is a distinct possibility.

Half of the vast inheritance will go to my nephew (my late sister's son) whose name is Amar Joshua. He lives with my brother-in-law, Aaron, in Tel Aviv after shifting residence to Israel from Canada in the aftermath of my sister's tragic death. Their marriage was based on lust and as time went by Aaron began eying the fortune and then things went seriously wrong leading to my sister's untimely death in a car crash due to drunk driving on her part. The other half of the money will go towards 2 causes - financially supporting deserving students in areas of scientific research at the university level and free treatment of poor patients with serious diseases like cancer, TB, HIV, etc.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#69432 Mar 15, 2014
Former, I'll answer your question on the plausibility of the afterlife later. I'll rest for some time. Bye.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#69433 Mar 15, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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yes, but people do not come to WORSHIP in front of those pieces of art. They are accepted as art, religious art, but not as subjects to worship with. Thats the difference. If the cross was just art, I would be fine with it. But it is intended as a memorial, as sacred worship space.
I missed the part of the story where they were building a publicly funded church in the 911 museum. Of course, there are quite a few publicly funded places of worship in the US -- at least one on every major military post. Many in public hospitals. Others are just historical sites that receive public renovation funds (the Old North Church in Massachusetts for example).

American battlefields like Pearl Harbour and Gettysburg receive public funding and have crosses on them. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to call the site of the WTC an American battlefield.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#69434 Mar 15, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

I do not believe in an afterlife.

But of course, anything's possible.
The idea of a soul constituted of some mysterious spiritual stuff that is separate from the body but which still somehow controls human action and which animates the body and which organizes the body and which leaves the body after death to enter a spiritual state is mumbo jumbo for several reasons that I've mentioned in earlier posts.

There's nothing like a soul.

However, yoga has shown me and it's logical to assume that the body's (especially the brain's electrical field with its neuronal generated pattern of sentience) could survive the death of the body if it is resilient enough.

This field of energy with its residual sentient pattern could exit the body after death and either scatter in the environment or it could merge with the energy field of a living entity and in this manner it would continue its existence in another body but of course there would be no conscious recall of a previous life, at least not in a comprehensive sense, since most of the neuronal generated sentience in the brain's energy field would get diffused on the death of the person and if at all this energy field exist the corpse and enters the body of a living person it would tend to get absorbed in that person's energy field and in this way all sense of individuality would be lost.

So, for all practical purposes, there's nothing like an after-life with persistence of individuality/individual consciousness except in the vague sense as mentioned by me above which in actuality is not an afterlife but a mere recycling of energy by merging with the energy field of other forms.

Everything in nature gets recycled in some form or the other.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#69435 Mar 15, 2014
typo

However, yoga has shown me and it's logical to assume that the body's ENERGY FIELD (especially the brain's electrical field with its neuronal generated pattern of sentience) could survive the death of the body if it is resilient enough.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#69437 Mar 15, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone thinks of death and most fear it and keep pushing it to the back of their mind until death strikes and one leaves behind everything.
I don't fear death because of my exposure to yoga.
Besides, I would have died on three occasions in the recent past and so all fear of death has left me and in many ways I would welcome death even this very instant instead of suffering perennially without respite and with no one to love me it may be better. I can't face this terrible ordeal and am cracking up. Even right now as I am typing this post, I am shivering and weeping. No matter how much my late parents messed up my mind yet they loved me and had they been alive today they'd have wept to see my deplorable plight.
I know happiness and peace and love are not for me but I always want others to be happy, peaceful and safe and to enjoy loving relationships and often when I see a loving family I feel happy for them and so sad for myself.
I want you and your family to be happy.
It seems you have MUCH to be thankful for and positive about.

I take it you are young, only in your 20s; wealthy; physically healthy; good-looking (by your own account); intelligent; and well-educated. Not to mention you show compassion and warmth toward others.

I would implore you to start treating yourself as well as you evidently treat others. Stop being so hard on yourself and dwelling on the negative. You can't change your past, your upbringing nor what others have done to you.

You can only control how you respond to these events. Move forward and appreciate your advantages.

Many would kill to trade places with you.

I think you may spend too much time by yourself, focusing on yourself. Try to turn the focus toward others for more hours of the day.

How about some travel with a friend? Take a good friend on a nice trip to somewhere you've never been. Sounds like you can afford it.

Helen Keller said life is a daring adventure or nothing at all.(And she probably didn't have the money you do, not to mention the seeing/hearing/talking thing!:))
former res

Cheshire, CT

#69438 Mar 15, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
In my case, in view of my precarious existence, everything has been chalked out and if I die before 30 which is a distinct possibility.
Half of the vast inheritance will go to my nephew (my late sister's son) whose name is Amar Joshua. He lives with my brother-in-law, Aaron, in Tel Aviv after shifting residence to Israel from Canada in the aftermath of my sister's tragic death. Their marriage was based on lust and as time went by Aaron began eying the fortune and then things went seriously wrong leading to my sister's untimely death in a car crash due to drunk driving on her part. The other half of the money will go towards 2 causes - financially supporting deserving students in areas of scientific research at the university level and free treatment of poor patients with serious diseases like cancer, TB, HIV, etc.
I think splitting the funds among charities and family is a good idea.

I like what Warren Buffet said about leaving his kids enough money to do something but not enough to do nothing.(I wouldn't want the relatives to sit around all day on the internet and also contemplating their navels.:))

Sounds as though your nephew will be a wealthy man one day.

Sorry about your sister. Losing loved ones is very painful.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#69441 Mar 15, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
.......So, for all practical purposes, there's nothing like an after-life with persistence of individuality/individual consciousness except in the vague sense as mentioned by me above which in actuality is not an afterlife but a mere recycling of energy by merging with the energy field of other forms.
Everything in nature gets recycled in some form or the other.
This all sounds reasonable enough and I'm inclined to agree.

But as with the existence of some sort of supernatural power, I don't think we can say with 100% certainty either way.

Do you?

So of those you have clinically "died" and returned have some interesting stories to tell. I believe there is some commonality in their stories as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_exper...

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#69442 Mar 15, 2014
ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE

PART 1

K = 48G^2M^2/c^4r^6 ..........1)

where K = Kretschmann scalar and the other symbols have their usual meanings.

This mathematical relationship posted above is based on Newton's law of universal gravitation,

F(M, m)= GMm/r^2..........2)

where G = universal gravitation constant = 6.67384 10-11 m3 kg-1 s-2

On rearranging the terms on the right hand side of equation (1), we get:

K =(48/c^4) x (GM/r^2)^2 x (1/r^2)

But, GM/r^2 = g

Therefore, K =(48 g^2)/(c^4 x r^2)

Since, g and c are constants, thus K is inversely proportional to r^2 which is the inverse square law followed by equation 2 above.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#69443 Mar 15, 2014
PART 2:

If at the center of the massive body, r = 0, or if r = r(s), where r(s)= Schwarzschild radius, then K becomes infinite which results in infinite spacetime reducing to a singularity and in this superdense state spacetime is ill-defined with all the laws of physics breaking down.

If applied to the universe, the pre-BB singularity would indicate a creator creating the universe.

GR is limited by the dreaded singularity.

QM makes a better case by disallowing a particle from occupying a space lesser than its wavelength.

Thus, in the alternative view of the origin of the universe, or rather of the multiverse, QM vacuum is a state of "nothing" which encompasses faint EM waves and of virtual particles popping in and out of the false vacuum with symmetry breaking (in the continuous annihilation of matter-anti matter mechanism) taking place at the instant when the vacuum's innate population of particles exceeds the number of antiparticles on account of slower decay rate of the former when compared to the latter. So, cosmic inflation sets in resulting in formation of a true vacuum via BB which leads to the subsequent evolution of spacetime.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#69445 Mar 15, 2014
PART 3:

The QM vacuum state of nothing is called so since its overall energy is 0 on account of the fact that gravitational energy (gravitation arises due to curvature of spacetime) does negative work while matter does positive work and so the net energy of the isolated system turns out to be 0 as they're perfectly balanced and as such the law of the conservation of energy remains unviolated.

Cosmic inflation has to have a beginning but can proceed forever in the forward direction since as one retraces the path backwards it's mathematically observed that the mass of a massive object slows down as it approaches c and so it can never exceed c. So, cosmic inflation commenced in the vacuum but will perpetuate in the form of the expanding universe until dark energy keeps up its anti-gravitational effect.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#69446 Mar 15, 2014
FORMER,

I'll reply after some time.

Bye.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#69447 Mar 15, 2014
Rick Moss wrote:
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I missed the part of the story where they were building a publicly funded church in the 911 museum. Of course, there are quite a few publicly funded places of worship in the US -- at least one on every major military post. Many in public hospitals. Others are just historical sites that receive public renovation funds (the Old North Church in Massachusetts for example).
Historical sites are not often used as shrines. They could be, but usually not.

Hospitals almost always cater to any denomination or religion that requests space.

Miltitary bases are a whole other issue. In case you are not aware, the US Air Force is rife with "born agains", been proven discriminatory, and has been subject to legal action as a result, primarily from a Jewish guy. Chaplains, on the other hand, are interdenominational in who they serve, and by all indications, represent a successful program.
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>American battlefields like Pearl Harbour and Gettysburg receive public funding and have crosses on them. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to call the site of the WTC an American battlefield.
I wonder where the line is between a monument (a historical appreciation) and a shrine ( a religious appreciation). Also, I am not sure what is so historical about Christians dying in the WTC. Thats wasnt the storyline. To me, the cross is more about a shrine, i.e. a religious place of worship.

I am fine with a cross at the WTC museum (as a shrine). However, I am NOT fine with excluding any other group that requests their shrine in return. Once the door is opened, it should be open to anyone.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#69449 Mar 15, 2014
aegege wrote:
jews do not own that land, i'm ashamed europe supports isreal in any way.
isreal is the creation of the most evil and genocidal family in the world. it's the creation of the rothschild family. anyone can examine this.
google for balfour decleration and press pictures, rothschild family owns isreal.

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