Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL COOL DUDE

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#66093 Jan 17, 2014
"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

- Hamlet, Act 1. Scene V

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#66094 Jan 17, 2014
YAWN

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#66095 Jan 17, 2014
Beach ball.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#66096 Jan 17, 2014
I am waiting for Hugh to come online, unless, of course, he's in church. LOL.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#66097 Jan 17, 2014
Islam buster: The weekly Jinn and Tonic Show.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#66098 Jan 17, 2014
yawn

“No Allah: know peace”

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#66099 Jan 17, 2014
MAAT wrote:
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Why are they considered a pest?
They cause massive damage to the undergrowth in a forest, including the eating of new trees before they have a chance to grow. In private areas, they eat the garden.
MAAT wrote:
Are you really going to shoot Bambi?
Mmmm... venison...
MAAT wrote:
Or are people just pretending iot get a piece of free venison on their plate?
Deer overpopulation can be a serious problem, both for the ecology of the forest and for the deer themselves - starvation and epidemic disease, just to name two. We killed off the wolves because they tried to eat the sheep or cattle that we wanted to raise, so now the deer have no natural predators left.

“No Allah: know peace”

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A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#66100 Jan 17, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Where I live, northeastern US, because of the extermination of natural predators such as wolves and mountain lions, there is an overpopulation of deer. They eat the forest understory, selectively eating species they find palatable, which effectively represses forest regeneration and drives the forest ecology. The deer also eat everyone's landscaping in their yards. And there are deer- auto collisions. On top of all that, they are carriers and proponents of deer ticks, which carry Lyme disease.
As a result, most people in our region recognize the problem, and are in favor of population reduction. However, that is easier said than done, because hunting is generally not safe, or in some cases even legal, near the populated suburban areas. Plus there is a very vocal minority of animal rights people who come out of the woodwork every time a hunt is announced. However, this is all changing, and over the last 10 years or so, people have been becoming more accepting of hunting as a management practice to counter the overpopulation.
If you are good enough (REALLY good!) with a bow, it is much harder for anyone to know that you are hunting - unless they catch you with a deer over your shoulders as you head back to the truck. No shots to hear.
:)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#66102 Jan 17, 2014
THE REALITY:

Since energy in an isolated system like our universe(s) can neither be created nor destroyed (in keeping with the principle of conservation) but simply oscillates between subtle (QM vacuum) state and manifest state (multidimensional universe) with each phase lasting billions of years for all eternity then where is the question of an extra-cosmic creator, having no causal link with anything, creating the universe from nothing?

If we assume the existence of an extra-cosmic creator God then we move into an infinite regress which is illogical and besides how do we logically explain the existence of energy/matter/consciousness having sprung into existence from "nothing"?

Nothing cannot be defined, cannot be imagined, cannot be tested and cannot be experienced and so does not exist.

Evidently, energy, matter and consciousness are the only entities that can be accounted for in the whole of existence when viewed, cogitated upon, experimented and experienced.

So, everything in existence, from the noumenon to the phenomena, should be expressed, quantized and experienced exclusively in terms of the triune of energy, matter and consciousness that form an integrated whole.

This is the reality.

Words like extra-cosmic God, spirit, ruach, nothing, creation from nothing etc are misnomers.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#66103 Jan 17, 2014
Full Monty. LOL.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#66104 Jan 17, 2014
Quid pro quo

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#66105 Jan 18, 2014
THE ONUS IS ON BELIEVERS:

I simply laugh out loud when I hear deluded and naive religious nuts asking atheists or nonbelievers to "disprove" the existence of God.

The onus is fully on the believers in God to provide evidence about this deity (God) since when we investigate nature and its embodied laws and natural phenomenon like life we find no evidence whatsoever to support any belief in a creator God.

Nature and its laws and its phenomena and its living forms are constituted exclusively of energy, matter and consciousness that gradually emerge from a state of singularity at various levels of the cosmic hierarchy.

The whole of cosmic existence with its innate operations is based completely on the triune of energy, matter and consciousness and so everything in existence should be explained exclusively in terms of energy, matter and consciousness.

Whereas, belief in religion rests on irrational ideas uncorroborated by evidence like:

1) "spirit" that can neither be defined nor is there the tiniest shred of evidence in support of it,

2) the state of nothing that can neither be defined nor supported by an atom of evidence,

3) extra-cosmic God having no causal link with anything in existence which is illogical and for which there's no evidence, and

4) creation from nothing whose causal mechanism cannot be explained.

So, atheists, who take their realistic stand on proven universals like energy, matter and consciousness to explain the whole of existence are justified in debunking the very idea of God and the rest of the religious mumbo that have nothing to do with the universal realities based on the workings of energy, matter and consciousness.

The day believers can produce evidence of spirit, the state of nothing, the mechanism of creation from nothing and of uncausal extra-cosmicism then only can atheists begin taking religious claims seriously but until then religion is just a laughing stock and believers a bunch of irrational jokers.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#66107 Jan 18, 2014
Shabbat Shalom.

Now dear Frijoles don't go to Russia.

"But Russia last year upset the West and human rights activists by banning what it called the promotion of homosexuality among minors. Calls for a mass boycott of the games have failed, but the row has clouded the build-up to the event.

Critics say the law is discriminatory and part of a rolling back of human rights and democratic freedoms under Putin, who has taken a more conservative course on social issues since returning to the presidency in mid-2012."

"There is no ban on non-traditional forms of sexual interaction between people. We have a ban on PROPAGANDA of homosexuality," Putin told a meeting with young volunteers preparing for the games."

http://news.yahoo.com/olympics-putin-says-rus...
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#66108 Jan 18, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
I am waiting for Hugh to come online, unless, of course, he's in church. LOL.
We shall have intercourse, later.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#66112 Jan 18, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Well, here is the rub. Since now that have you grasped the concept, pursuant to our lengthy previous conversations, it is time to move it up a notch.
Minhagim (plural of minhag) are actually part of Halacha (Jewish law - literally translated as "the way") too.
Jewish law consists of both mitzvot (commandments that derive directly from the text (bible)) and minhagim. Mitzvot are universally binding while minhagim are not.
Much like the religion I grew up with - made up of "scripture and tradition." Though much of the tradition may be binding as well. Various notions around the pope are clearly not in the bible. And so on.

So most pick and choose what to follow.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#66113 Jan 18, 2014
Hugh,

What is the source of bad?

What exceeds good and bad?

Why is it essential for every facet or for every capacity to inhere in a system?
sallylou

Pittsburgh, PA

#66114 Jan 18, 2014
youtube.com/watch... …
Bad Day Again? Jews stupid
former res

Cheshire, CT

#66115 Jan 18, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- Correct in terms of being able to IDENTIFY one of the key words. You are incorrect in terms of your UNDERSTANDING of how the word was used. Let me explain it to you. WERE was used because because they are ARE dead.
Indeed, we can agree that they are long dead.
HughBe wrote:
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Former----They then became the earliest Christians.
HughBe-- Correct as they followed their Jewish Messiah.
We also agree on this. Jesus was Jewish.
(He did not worship himself, as far as we know.
Therefore, he was not a Christian.)
HughBe wrote:
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Former---Jews don't believe in JC. Religion 101.
HughBe--- What a DUNCE you are. Did you not understand what was said above? NO. Jews BELIEVED in Jesus the Jew.
It is you who should be fitted for the dunce cap.
Jesus could not have been Christian for the reason
already stated.
By the very fact that the earliest Christians believed JC
was the son of god, they were by definition Christians and not Jews.
Again, this is religion 101.
You can call anyone anything, but this does not make it so.
HughBe wrote:
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Former---What do you see as the difference between Jews and Christians? Anything at all?
HughBe--- RACE. The RACE called Jews are BIOLOGICAL relatives and they can believe anything and their beliefs will NEVER change their ANCESTRY. Study it as clearly you are a VICTIM of the LIES and DECEPTION of rabbis.
Yes, I see. We've been here before.
I agree with you. Inasmuch as I can stop
being Catholic (and I did) but I cannot stop being Irish.
By your own reasoning then, all Christians have some
Jewish blood in them, correct? Since we descended from
Jews.

A Jew who becomes an atheist, a Christian or whatever
is still ethnically Jewish. Is this all you're saying?

But you agree he has converted form the religion of Judaism
to another religion, or lack thereof? Therefore he is no longer
a practicing Jew.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#66116 Jan 18, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Former---What do you see as the difference between Jews and Christians? Anything at all?
HughBe---- What a profoundly intelligent question. Note, I have already answered this question in a previous post but now I am asking you to answer it by telling me the differences between a Jew and a Christian.
My understanding is that "we" Christians are waiting for the 2nd coming while my Jewish friends are still waiting for the first.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#66117 Jan 18, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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If you are good enough (REALLY good!) with a bow, it is much harder for anyone to know that you are hunting - unless they catch you with a deer over your shoulders as you head back to the truck. No shots to hear.
:)
and if you are not so good, your buck will running terrified through the neighborhood with an arrow sticking out through its hind, followed by lots of horrified and screaming neighbors....

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