Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63607 Dec 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Numb nuts
(who has yet to address the question on how his messiah could be biblically legit)
As Eric has said, and as no doubt any of the Muslims you referred to would freely admit, NONE of them are descendants of Ishmael, therefore none of them are Hebrews. They are all Muslim, in the way that if I became Zen Bhuddist that wouldnt make me Japanese.
Islam is a religion, not a people.
Christianity is a religion, not a people.
Hebrews are/were a people. Arabs, while not exactly a people, are a genetically based (i.e. what you are calling "racial") category as well. Not all Muslims are Arab - Muq (Indian descent), Alex (white European descent), and BMZ (Persian descent living in Singapore) are not.
1.Professor nuts, please give your understanding of what follows and then tell me if you are in agreement with it. If you disagree, outline your "logical" reasons for holding your STUPID position.

If Ishmael is in the list of Eric's "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the LIST of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the MIDST of his list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.

2. "Islam is a religion" is known to the entire world and has always been known. Congratulations for catching up with the rest of humanity. You tend to linger behind.

3. Explain your "not a people" with respect to Islam. Don't dodge.

Since: Dec 13

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63608 Dec 3, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
"With what I said above and with what Frijoles has said below" you should know that we are both numskulls. This is known, Eric.
We are waiting numb nuts for your grand expose.

Since: Dec 13

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63609 Dec 3, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
1.Professor nuts, please give your understanding of what follows and then tell me if you are in agreement with it. If you disagree, outline your "logical" reasons for holding your STUPID position.
If Ishmael is in the list of Eric's "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the LIST of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the MIDST of his list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.
2. "Islam is a religion" is known to the entire world and has always been known. Congratulations for catching up with the rest of humanity. You tend to linger behind.
3. Explain your "not a people" with respect to Islam. Don't dodge.
Hugh we are not going to be distracted by your crap. Let's have your explanation of why Jesus as described in the New Testament is a Jew using your biological, patrilineal definition. Put up or shut up.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63610 Dec 3, 2013
ericfromchi wrote:
<quoted text>Hugh we are not going to be distracted by your crap. Let's have your explanation of why Jesus as described in the New Testament is a Jew using your biological, patrilineal definition. Put up or shut up.
Son, YOU are the one that is into distractions.

I posted my comments to Susan and then you introduced your typically foolish comment about Moses. See your first set of words below for your nonsense.

It eventually ended up with you displaying your IGNORANCE about what is a LIST. While on the topic of LIST, based on your LIST BMZ, MUQ and Alex are all Hebrews. If you disagree explain your foolish thoughts.

HughBe to Susan---It may very well be that you are correct that it is Jewish tradition. However, you should consider WHEN the tradition started plus it certainly is a tradition that goes AGAINST the scriptures.

Moses the lawgiver married a non-Jewish woman or an ETHIOPIAN woman. Do you know what happened to those who dared to oppose Moses?

Eric---Could be because Moses was not a Jew. He was a Hebrew. He was a Levite. He was an Israelite. He was never described in the Tanakh as a Jew.(post 63397)

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HughBe--- The people called Hebrews were also at a later date called Israel or Israelites and are COMMONLY called Jews today. This is the context so desist with your BS.

Your sideshow aside, the central point is that Almighty God called Moses FAITHFUL.

Explain the meaning of FAITHFUL in the context of Moses marrying a non-Jew.(I AM STILL WAITING, Eric)

Are you saying that Jews got a set of commandments different from those given to Israel?(I AM STILL WAITING, Eric)

Who gave the Jews a different set of commandments?(I AM STILL WAITING, Eric)
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63611 Dec 3, 2013
HughBe---With what I said above and with what Frijoles has said below" you should know that we are both numskulls. This is known, Eric.

ericfromchi---We are waiting numb nuts for your grand expose.

HughBe--- Lesson: Typically, leaders become leaders because they are more equipped than others in the relevant fields. Illustrating, rabbis are typically STUPID people among other things but as a general rule they have more knowledge about the Talmud than their disciples so they lead spiritually.

Coming to your situation, you are the President and CEO of the numb nuts ilk and you are the IDEAL person for the job. You have job security and that is an unconditional guarantee.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#63612 Dec 3, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: and i didn't even know, he played basket ball.
Something to do when the shuffleboard courts close down
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63613 Dec 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Something to do when the shuffleboard courts close down
Professor nuts, please give your understanding of what follows and then tell me if you are in agreement with it. If you disagree, outline your "logical" reasons for holding your STUPID position.

If Ishmael is in the list of Eric's "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the LIST of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the MIDST of his list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.

Explain your "not a people" with respect to Islam. Don't dodge.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#63614 Dec 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Yoshy, meet Susan Blange. I think she likes movies, walks in the park, and cats.
What about pina coladas?
Getting caught in the rain?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#63615 Dec 3, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
Cats! Lots and lots of CATS!
The other white meat...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#63616 Dec 3, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Professor nuts, please give your understanding of what follows and then tell me if you are in agreement with it. If you disagree, outline your "logical" reasons for holding your STUPID position.
If Ishmael is in the list of Eric's "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the LIST of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the MIDST of his list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.
Explain your "not a people" with respect to Islam. Don't dodge.
I have explained that a few times to you before. Not going to bother - its a waste of time. If you want to know (I know you dont) ask your nearest friendly Muslim.

I shall not be responding to you anymore. Life is too short to waste any more of it with you.

Unless you answer our original question.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#63617 Dec 3, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
Okay, now I think the crazies are just frakking with me.
It is statistically impossible to have this many bat-shite crazy loons in such a small demographic.
I wonder if, at one point, the monkeys all decided to start throwing feces just to see the look on our faces?
Bias error, caused by the fact that posting on Topix preferentially self-selects for bat-shite crazy

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#63618 Dec 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I have been been wondering along these lines for quite some time.
It is kind of funny that the only real sane people here are the Jews and one atheist. I miss our other agnostic friend - FR.
You are saying that I am not one of the sane ones?????????

Since: Dec 13

Batavia, IL

#63619 Dec 3, 2013
HughBe wrote:
HughBe---With what I said above and with what Frijoles has said below" you should know that we are both numskulls. This is known, Eric.
ericfromchi---We are waiting numb nuts for your grand expose.
HughBe--- Lesson: Typically, leaders become leaders because they are more equipped than others in the relevant fields. Illustrating, rabbis are typically STUPID people among other things but as a general rule they have more knowledge about the Talmud than their disciples so they lead spiritually.
Coming to your situation, you are the President and CEO of the numb nuts ilk and you are the IDEAL person for the job. You have job security and that is an unconditional guarantee.
So much wasted time. You could have been doing something productive like posting your explanation of why Jesus as described in the New Testament is a Jew using your biological, patrilineal definition.

But we've all come to realize that that will never happen. You will find excuse after excuse.

Put up or shut up.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#63620 Dec 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
German Police Officer Arrested in Alleged Cannibalism Case
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest.html
A 55-year-old police officer has been arrested in Dresden, Germany, after allegedly confessing he killed a man he met on a cannibalism website. The victim allegedly wanted to be killed and the police officer, whose identity has not been released, apparently chopped him up and buried his remains in different places around his garden. The 59-year-old victim apparently “had been fantasizing about being killed and eaten by someone else since his youth,” Dresden’s police chief, Dieter Kroll, told reporters at a news conference, according to Deutsche Welle.
The handwriting and document analysis specialist was arrested Wednesday and confessed that he stabbed the victim in the throat on Nov. 4, hours after the two men had met. Still, the alleged perpetrator vehemently denied he ate any part of the victim’s body. And while there is no evidence of cannibalism police say they are suspicious because there are body parts missing, reports the BBC.
So, either the cop is lying about having not eaten the dead guy, or he killed him under false pretenses for failing to uphold his end of the arrangement.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63621 Dec 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I have explained that a few times to you before. Not going to bother - its a waste of time. If you want to know (I know you dont) ask your nearest friendly Muslim.
I shall not be responding to you anymore. Life is too short to waste any more of it with you.
Unless you answer our original question.
Please provide ONE proof, each, that you have explained them a "few times"

1. If Ishmael is in the list of Eric's "Hebrews" then BMZ, Alex and MUQ are also in the LIST of Hebrews. WHY? They are in the MIDST of his list. Put it this way they are sandwiched between Ishmael and the real list.

2.Explain your "not a people" with respect to Islam. Don't dodge.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#63622 Dec 3, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Is a platypus kosher?
I think that it is pretty safe to say that it is not mentioned in the Torah as one of the clean animals. Neither are kangaroos.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63623 Dec 3, 2013
ericfromchi wrote:
<quoted text>
So much wasted time. You could have been doing something productive like posting your explanation of why Jesus as described in the New Testament is a Jew using your biological, patrilineal definition.
But we've all come to realize that that will never happen. You will find excuse after excuse.
Put up or shut up.
1. Ok President and CEO of the numb nuts your comments are noted.

2. I am NOT the author of the words of the scriptures and so the matter of patrilineal descent is not mine to claim.

3. Were your sages not short on sense plus other things you would have known, even if not understood, the truth of my position.

Here is a hint: Look at the matter of Genealogy as outlined in the bible. Is it via the MALES and NOT the mothers or female.

If females or mothers determined identity, give me ALL the good reasons why their GENEALOGY was not preserved as in the case of MALES.

Do you see how careless and irresponsible it would have been not to record genealogy via the MOTHERS if they determined Jewish identity?

Please do NOT respond immediately. I mean it. Stop and THINK and be HONEST.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#63624 Dec 3, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
You are saying that I am not one of the sane ones?????????
Visit more often so we can be reminded of your honorable presence.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#63625 Dec 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Visit more often so we can be reminded of your honorable presence.
But if I visited more often, I would no longer be one of the sane ones...

(Obsessive/compulsive to keep checking every few minutes for new posts, frustration from the inability of some people to give coherent statements, etc.)
DoWhatsRight

Westwood, NJ

#63626 Dec 3, 2013
Get OUT OF ISRAEL. Plain and simple. Get OUT. You do not belong there. You were escaping so-called persecution and then ended up taking over the land of others. You are not natives of the land just like Europeans, Africans, Asians etc are not true natives of the Americas - the Native Americans are. You have not been kind to a country that has taken you in and saved you from harm, and so-called heinous crimes. By this time, you should have gotten yourselves together and have moved on and out of the country. You are absolute INGRATES and continue to fight the indigenous peoples for THEIR land. Where is YOUR true land???? Go back to it and people will not target you anymore. You all have really got your nerve to think that you everything you do is god-serving. You are the meanest most selfish set of people there are in this world. People help you all time and time and again, and all you do is take and never return the favor. I cannot believe that you have your own ambulances and would pass someone by just because they were not "Jewish!" I couldn't imagine NOT helping someone because they didn't look like me or believe like me. I could never walk past someone who was suffering and not help them. And that's just one out of MANY selfish acts. Do you think this behavior is just?

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