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Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63410 Nov 25, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
G-d isn't the joke, you are, Grizzly Adams.
rabbee: then you have called G-D a joke, for Personally appointing me. if you call who G-D sends, a joke. then you have personally called G-D a joke for sending them. your tongue is not the only appendage, that needs restraint.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

Since: Jan 08

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#63411 Nov 25, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>rabbee: then you have called G-D a joke, for Personally appointing me...
Well, as much as I'd LOVE to believe you're G-d .... I'm pretty sure G-d has better things to do with his time then to yell at folks in a chat room.

At least I really hope he does.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#63412 Nov 26, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
1. I remember YOU calling me "Coward for Christ" I have no memory of being called that by others. In any event what difference does it make if you or anyone else calls me such things? None.
Why? How can I attach importance to BS?
2. Apparently you have not learnt. If I am convinced of things e.g. That one's father makes one a Jew and that the Jewish status of Jesus is not inconsistent with this principle then neither a nuclear bomb nor your Satan can get me to surrender.
3. Much love, Mon.
Where is virgin?
But none of that has anything to do with the fact you cant argue, using bible, that Jesus can be your messiah.

Nor have you responded to any of my three conciliatory points of surrender.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63413 Nov 26, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>No Hugh. Israelites are a subset of Hebrews. Jews are a subset of Israelites.
I thought you told all of this to BMZ, Alex and MUQ last week. Short memory.
1.Are you saying that Jews got a set of commandments different from those given to Israel?(outstanding)

2.Who gave the Jews a different set of commandments?(outstanding)

3. Give me a FULL list of the SET meaning list all major subsets that make up the Hebrews. Here is a start, Israelites are a subset of Hebrews now complete the list.

I don't want any link. List the peoples that YOU include in Hebrews.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63414 Nov 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
But none of that has anything to do with the fact you cant argue, using bible, that Jesus can be your messiah.
Nor have you responded to any of my three conciliatory points of surrender.
1. Jesus is your Messiah but you know not that you know not.

2. My arguments on religious matters are SOLELY bible based and common sense.

3. I understand your challenges given the context.
Eric

Downers Grove, IL

#63415 Nov 26, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>

3. Give me a FULL list of the SET meaning list all major subsets that make up the Hebrews. Here is a start, Israelites are a subset of Hebrews now complete the list.
I don't want any link. List the peoples that YOU include in Hebrews.
Let's see, why don't we start with the descendants of Ishmael. Ask BMZ, Alex and MUQ about the descendants of Ishmael.

And don't forget about the descendants of Abraham's other sons:
Issac
Midian
Zimran
Shuah
Jokshan
Ishbak
Medan

Remember that Issac had another son other than Jacob. The descendants of Esau are Hebrews also.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#63416 Nov 26, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Jesus is your Messiah but you know not that you know not.
2. My arguments on religious matters are SOLELY bible based and common sense.
3. I understand your challenges given the context.
Answer Erics and CORs contention fully, and then I will grant you your idea is biblically based.

You have yet to adress their questions.

Do I need to scroll back? Stop being a lazy sht.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#63417 Nov 26, 2013
I'll make it even easier for you Hughbe. Here it is.
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Hugh, I'll make this easy for you. Tell me which of the following logical steps is not correct.
1. The Messiah prophesied by the bible must be a descendant of David
2. If the bible is to be believed, the ancestral link to David is through Joseph
3. Since Jesus was allegedly born of a virgin, he is not a blood relative of Joseph
4. Therefore, Jesus cannot be a descendent of David, and cannot be the Messiah
The only ways you can are resolve this are:
1. Jesus was not born of a virgin and is, in fact, the biological son of Joseph
or
2. You change the rules of heredity
or
3. The prophesy about Jesus was wrong
So, which is it?

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63418 Nov 26, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, as much as I'd LOVE to believe you're G-d .... I'm pretty sure G-d has better things to do with his time then to yell at folks in a chat room.
At least I really hope he does.
rabbee: everything that everyone on this planet does, has already been commanded to happen. and for the most part it is a result of your mental depravity as an enemy of G-D, here in TheTorah.

say what you mentally want in delusions. but adam and his mate, shall again be in charge of everything that happens, here in TheTorah for the last day. lie about this all you want but we are all physically here, in TheTorah G-D is still giving till the end of the sixth day.

G-D has instructed me, to give to you this chance to speak with me while i am here in the field. you may not get another opportunity, once G-D has placed adam and his mate in charge.

i am commanded by G-D to be on these message boards, no different than any of you are commanded to be here. you can lie about this all you want, but you are all here because G-D said it so. HaMosheeach shall be here, as soon as i find out who G-D has finally appointed as my mate. and if it is not your previous grandmother of all, sorry about that.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63419 Nov 26, 2013
nobody does anything, without it being commanded by G-D for six full days. everything i do, has been already commanded to happen. and the only ONE, who can change this is G-D. your life stories are already told, according to your disobedience to G-D here in TheTorah actually still happening. and your mental free will, lying about this shall change nothing. don't care if you like it or not, me and the appointed woman, are going to be your G-d of the seventh day. no different than the last time, all you nobodies were here in TheTorah from G-D.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#63420 Nov 26, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
HaMosheeach shall be here, as soon as i find out who G-D has finally appointed as my mate.
Yoshy, meet Susan Blange. I think she likes movies, walks in the park, and cats.

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#63421 Nov 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Yoshy, meet Susan Blange. I think she likes movies, walks in the park, and cats.
A match made in heaven.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63422 Nov 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Yoshy, meet Susan Blange. I think she likes movies, walks in the park, and cats.
rabbee: no thank you! i abstain from meetings with idolaters. this is as close as i get, to meeting any of you. this is all happening the way, The G-D of TheTorah says. it is not happening the way, your mental only free will says.

TheG-D of Only TheTorah, does not ever lie about only giving TheTorah. the destinies of the enemies of G-D, are already sealed without their repent.

G-D shall not change this story, without a lot of not here in TheTorah repentance truly going on. all the not here in TheTorah liars, won't convince G-D to change anything. we are all here in TheTorah, HaShem G-D is still giving to the end of the sixth day. and you shall not bear, false witness to G-D or anyone about this.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63423 Nov 26, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
A match made in heaven.
rabbee: a match made here in hell, is still a lie not true to G-D. if you are not true to G-D here in TheTorah, then your all going to get hell from G-D for it.

i think i trust, G-D'S appointing me a woman. rather than no trust in any of you enemies of G-D, trying to give me with yours. all of you here in hell, can't give any one a Heavenly match. TheTorah still actually happens, the way G-D says here in IT. no matter what evil and wicked excuses, your mental free will fantasize for it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63425 Nov 26, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see, why don't we start with the descendants of Ishmael. Ask BMZ, Alex and MUQ about the descendants of Ishmael.
And don't forget about the descendants of Abraham's other sons:
Issac
Midian
Zimran
Shuah
Jokshan
Ishbak
Medan
Remember that Issac had another son other than Jacob. The descendants of Esau are Hebrews also.
HughBe--- You were asked to list all MAJOR subsets that make up the Hebrew peoples. You were given help and yet you fail again.

What you have done is to give me a list of 7 names 6 of which are the sons of Abraham's wife Keturah.

Based on your stupid approach you should have also given me the names of the 12 sons of Israel in your MAJOR SUBSET of Hebrews.

Using scriptures and secular sources show that the word Hebrews was applied to those in your list not including Israel

"Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.

2 And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah." Genesis 25

Eric----And don't forget about the descendants of Abraham's other sons:
Issac
Midian
Zimran
Shuah
Jokshan
Ishbak
Medan

Remember that Issac had another son other than Jacob. The descendants of Esau are Hebrews also.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63426 Nov 26, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>No Hugh. Israelites are a subset of Hebrews. Jews are a subset of Israelites.
I thought you told all of this to BMZ, Alex and MUQ last week. Short memory.
HughBe----The people called Hebrews were also at a later date called Israel or Israelites and are commonly called Jews today.

Eric---No Hugh.

HughBe---- Do you know what you are saying? Absolutely not. You are in drunken stupor. Proof is below.

Eric---Israelites are a subset of Hebrews. Jews are a subset of Israelites

HughBe---- So in your mind "Israelites (being) a subset of Hebrews" means that Israelites were NOT called Hebrews. Yet they are a subset.

In like manner "Jews (being) a subset of Israelites" means that Jews were not once called Israelites. Yet they are a subset.

Explain your private definition of the word subset.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63427 Nov 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Answer Erics and CORs contention fully, and then I will grant you your idea is biblically based.
You have yet to adress their questions.
Do I need to scroll back? Stop being a lazy sht.
Jesus is the Messiah and you know not that you know not. Great peace has he who loves TRUTH. I am at peace.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63428 Nov 26, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
I'll make it even easier for you Hughbe. Here it is.
<quoted text>
I find the logic of your list beyond my ability to comprehend how can any sane person come up with such F...ries
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63429 Nov 26, 2013
Virgin, have you lost it?
Eric

Downers Grove, IL

#63430 Nov 26, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>

HughBe---- So in your mind "Israelites (being) a subset of Hebrews" means that Israelites were NOT called Hebrews. Yet they are a subset.
In like manner "Jews (being) a subset of Israelites" means that Jews were not once called Israelites. Yet they are a subset.
Explain your private definition of the word subset.
Hugh, Hebrews are not a subset of Jews. It's the opposite. We spoke of Moses. Moses was not a Jew. He was a Hebrew because he is a descendant of Abraham. He is an Israelite because he is a descendant of Jacob. He is a Levite because he is the descendant of Levi.

As to Hebrews, consider this:

1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, HaShem appeared to Abram, and said unto him:'I am G-d Almighty; walk before Me, and be thou wholehearted.
2
And I will make My covenant between Me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.'
3
And Abram fell on his face; and G-d talked with him, saying:

4
'As for Me, behold, My covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be the father of a multitude of nations.
5
Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for the father of a multitude of nations have I made thee.
6
And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7
And I will establish My covenant between Me and thee and thy seed after thee throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a G-d unto thee and to thy seed after thee.
8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land of thy sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their G-d.'
9
And G-d said unto Abraham:'And as for thee, thou shalt keep My covenant, thou, and thy seed after thee throughout their generations.
10
This is My covenant, which ye shall keep, between Me and you and thy seed after thee: every male among you shall be circumcised.
11
And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of a covenant betwixt Me and you.
12
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every male throughout your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any foreigner, that is not of thy seed.
13
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised; and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14
And the uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken My covenant.'

Do you see anything in there that limited the covenant to Issac and his progeny? Because of the covenant all were circumcised.

Or, if you want to limit the covenant to Issac, what of Esau? Is not Esau a descendant of Abraham and Issac?

Go study your Venn diagrams.

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