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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62089 Nov 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Not all rabbis are orthodox - but the ones you ranting about are. Who sets halacha? Not the reform.
Stop throwing it back on me. I am not the one with the rants.
Noted. Thanks for your example.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62091 Nov 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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But yet you actually believe that Gay people are sick and in need of treatment. When the rest of the world believes otherwise. Dont you realize how demeaning your attitudes are? You are not compassionate to humankind. You are compassionate to only those who meet your strict subjective standards.
HughBe---I have never compared myself to rabbis in terms of compassion but I can say this I like people generally. I am moved by the suffering of others and may even cry. I like white people. I like Indians. I like Arabs. I like people. I wish for ALL mankind good health and a happy life. That includes rabbis.

Frijoles---But yet you actually believe that Gay people are sick and in need of treatment.

HughBe--- Joel quoted some scientific source that basically said that their brains were wired a bit differently from the norm. This speaks to ABNORMALITY and a confirmation of my position.

It is compassion that would lead me or anyone else to take care of the sick.

Frijoles--- When the rest of the world believes otherwise. Dont you realize how demeaning your attitudes are? You are not compassionate to humankind. You are compassionate to only those who meet your strict subjective standards.

HughBe-- The masses have never known the truth, initially.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62092 Nov 6, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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And just how is that supposed to change their genetically determined sexual orientation? Or is it just to teach them to be ashamed and hide who they are?
HughBe --Psychotherapy and depending on the severity of the disorder it is coupled with medication.

Liam---And just how is that supposed to change their genetically determined sexual orientation? Or is it just to teach them to be ashamed and hide who they are?

HughBe--- Give me the link that supports your claim that the disorder is genetically based. Is this position generally accepted in the scientific community?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62093 Nov 6, 2013
Catch you later

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#62094 Nov 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Obviously you are incapable of of looking at this objectively, since your rant is tinged with emotional words like "barbaric" etc .
When your personality reverts back to Mr Hyde, give me a ring
Um, shouldn't that be "FROM Mr. Hyde"? After all, it was Dr. Jekyll that invented the serum that manifested Edward Hyde...

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62095 Nov 6, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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JOEL - How do you reconcile these three - the teachings of the Tanach, the teachings of the NT and the discoveries of science?

HUGH - Be specific

JOEL - For instance -

Joel-- How do you reconcile the monolatry and the dualism of the Tanach with the mangod worship and the nondualism of the NT?

HughBe--- No need for reconciliation. Apply the concept.

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and THEY(more than one) shall be ONE flesh."
My understanding is that ancient sages knew that there were TWO Gods and if memory serves me well one was called the lesser Yahweh. Alas doctoring entered no doubt for self-serving reasons and the God of the Tanakh became formless and no longer two.

Joel--- How do you reconcile the fanaticism and mass murdering ways of say Moshe with Jesus' teachings of sectarian peace laced with threats, curses and abuses?

Hugh--- There is no need for reconciliation.

Joel--- How do you reconcile the creationism of the Tanach with the modern scientific theory of the Big Bang from a state of singularity?

HughBe--- As soon as science catches up to the bible it will learn that something is not produced from nothing. It will learn that a BIG BAG cannot result in lifeforms and the world around us. Tell them to use a computer software to show that a BIG Bang could have produced all that there is. The concept is nothing more than a big wind.

Joel---Why do you abstain from eating pork when there're no dietary restrictions in Christianity...

Hugh--- Was Jesus a Jew? Did He or His disciple teach people to eat pork? Are you like Seeker who believes that one can be a disciple or FOLLOWER of Jesus and do the things that He did not do? Seeker tell LIES almost as much as he eats food and yet he is a disciple of Jesus who never LIED.

Put it another way. If Christians worship the God of the Bible and sacrifices were still being done could they have offered a PIG to God? Are you saying that in the worship of God He would accept the dog, the pig, the donkey from Gentiles but not from Jews?
How could they eat it if the were worshipping God?

Joel--- Where your incessant tirades against the Rabbis are concerned..

HughBe--- Who appointed the rabbis to mentally ENSLAVE and to TREAT the Jewish people inhumanely?
What is this nonsense that you have typed, Mon?

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62096 Nov 6, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh---

1. Rabbis do not =priests.

Some leading rabbis have been CONVERTS meaning non-Jews. I have read that. None of these can be priests based on the Tanakh.
Rabbis in the main are usurpers.
Kohanim are the priests who officiated over sacrifices but these days they're connected with aliyah or first reading of the Torah in beyt knessets or synagogues.

Rabbi has shades of meanings and has evolved over time. Roughly, it is a teacher of Torah.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62097 Nov 6, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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2. The matter of intelligence and understanding is taken as a fact given my connection and grace received.

Intelligence and Hugh are oxymorons.

The second part of the word "oxymoron" which is "moron" suits you better.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62098 Nov 6, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Righteousness in the Tanakh comes from doing ALL of the commandments.
Had you been just averagely intelligent you wouldn't call the teachings of the Tanakh "righteous" considering that it's chock full with every perversion that can be imagined all of which militate against basic decency and are opposed to the laws of being and becoming.

Have you ever wondered why most Jews are atheist, rationalist, secular humanist or have turned in large numbers to eastern mysticism? The reason is due to the mass of perversions and illogic found in the Tanakh that no sane, rational or compassionate person can ever condone or accept.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62099 Nov 6, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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By free will, I mean the exact thing as is found in the dictionary and how it is used commonly.

It means VOLUNTARY and not INVOLUNTARY. So free will means a person can CHOOSE to do or not to do. Free to believe or not believe.

SLAVERY means no free will.
Will is not just a matter of making choices but is the doer and in its more potent states it is the mover and shaker of energy and consciousness.

Even in the ordinary state of consciousness, the will is the factor that controls or guides our muscles and thoughts and habits but in the ordinary state the will is dominated by the subconscious and is thus its slave.

The foundation of will that inheres in consciousness and energy is free and all powerful that can manipulate the ranges of energy and consciousness the way it wishes to.

This is the yogic condition or application of the will which ordinary people do not possess.

Will is rarely free in most human beings.

In most people, the will is free within extremely narrow limits and is conditioned by genes, subconscious responses and environmental influences.

The better one's genes and environmental impulses are then the subconscient is cleaner and more open to positive suggestions and with certain intense concentration practices if one gradually ascends the hierarchy of consciousness-energy as a living experience the freer and the more potent the inherent will becomes as its higher aspects steadily manifest.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62100 Nov 6, 2013
HUGH,

Can psychotherapy and hormone shots undo one's gene patterns and the concomitant brain wiring that in the embryonic stage determine sexual orientation?

I have not heard of single case of a 100 percent gay person set straight.

As I stated earlier, a bisexual person can be influenced by psychotherapy to curb his or her gay behavior since the potential of heterosexuality inheres in his bisexual nature and which he routinely employs in sexual relationships with members of the opposite gender but for a 100 percent gay person to begin manifesting sexual feelings for members of the opposite gender is impossible since the genetic potential for being sexually attracted to a member of the opposite gender simply does not exist in his or her genes and so the brain wiring in this context of a full blown gay is set.

Take Boy George for example. He is 100 percent gay. No amount of counseling, hypnosis or medication can influence him to turn heterosexual.

Better leave him to his natural instincts.

The important point to note is this - sexuality like say left handedness should be considered as inborn instincts and every effort should be made to make the person concerned feel welcome and comfortable with his or her nature unless the person indulges in criminal activities but then criminality and insanity are not the exclusive preserve of homosexuals or left-handed individuals.

Criminality and mental instability are neither gay nor heterosexual nor left handed nor right handed behavioral patterns. These adverse manifestations are products of genes and environment and can manifest wherever such perverse instincts exist.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62101 Nov 6, 2013
HUGH IS AN OXYMORON:

OX - Hugh is as strong as an ox

(GA)Y - Hugh is gay

MORON - Hugh is a moron.

(smiles)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#62103 Nov 7, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Kohanim are the priests who officiated over sacrifices but these days they're connected with aliyah or first reading of the Torah in beyt knessets or synagogues.
Rabbi has shades of meanings and has evolved over time. Roughly, it is a teacher of Torah.
You're killing me.

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#62104 Nov 7, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Um, shouldn't that be "FROM Mr. Hyde"? After all, it was Dr. Jekyll that invented the serum that manifested Edward Hyde...
yeah, it did occur to me after I typed this, that I might of screwed up the narrative. Thanks.

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#62105 Nov 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- The American born Frijoles believes otherwise. He challenged my point that they were like Jamaicans i.e. religious and not SECULAR.
Frijoles---not even the point I was making
HughBe--- You have a challenge focusing as that was the point that I was making. I was talking about being religious as opposed to being secular. So, I spoke about Jamaicans and then said that Americans were in my opinion like Jamaicans. I went on to talk about Egypt etc as examples of peoples who are religious more than secular.
Finally, I found it interesting that of all the RACES on the earth the least RELIGIOUS in my opinion based on guesswork would be the Jewish people and yet they are the ones who are called ethno-RELIGIOUS.
Memory tells me that approximately 50% of the Jewish people call themselves SECULAR and these are the people which are described as ethno-religious. Is it comedy hour?
What is clear to me is that the Jewish people are UNDENIABLY an ETHNIC group meaning RACE. The emphasis on GENEALOGY speaks for itself to the honest.
Beg to differ. You keep going off on that tangent rant - a hijacking of sorts - but the rant I was primarily focusing on from the beginning was your jihad against the rabbis. My point is you have never acknowledged meeting in person ANY MEMBER of this population you take issue to. Thus your entire viewpoint is theoretical. Hence my oft repeated comment that you are tilting at windows (Do they read Don Quijote in Jamaica?)

But to humor you I may reply to your tangent in my next post.

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#62106 Nov 7, 2013
LOl - spellcheck error

Tilting at WINDMILLS

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#62107 Nov 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe--- You have a challenge focusing as that was the point that I was making. I was talking about being religious as opposed to being secular. So, I spoke about Jamaicans and then said that Americans were in my opinion like Jamaicans. I went on to talk about Egypt etc as examples of peoples who are religious more than secular.
We differ in our definition of religious. The notion of religiousity that you use is rooted in Christianity. Simply put, it is less appropriate when discussing Judaism. In Judaism, the meaningful poles of division are between observance and nonobservance, and belief in God really does not correlate with either of those poles. In fact, these arent really even divisions, most Jews are somewhere in between the two poles, making the word secular totally besides the point.

As of Jamaica, that country has totally different cultural history and I doubt that the societies are all that similar to the US in weltanschauung (Do they teach anthropology in Jamaica?).
HughBe wrote:
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Finally, I found it interesting that of all the RACES on the earth the least RELIGIOUS in my opinion based on guesswork would be the Jewish people and yet they are the ones who are called ethno-RELIGIOUS.
Memory tells me that approximately 50% of the Jewish people call themselves SECULAR and these are the people which are described as ethno-religious. Is it comedy hour?
What is clear to me is that the Jewish people are UNDENIABLY an ETHNIC group meaning RACE. The emphasis on GENEALOGY speaks for itself to the honest.
Doofus, you have (RE)discovered the part of the ETHNIC label in Ethno-religious. Do you feel like a genius now?

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62109 Nov 7, 2013
The Bollywood Sufi-rock song "Ya Ali" from the Bollywood movie Gangster rocks, it really rocks.

Great beats.

Must watch.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62110 Nov 7, 2013
Ya Ali is truly an AWESOME Bollywood song. Must watch.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#62111 Nov 7, 2013
Misbah Ali on vocals in the super hit Sufi-rock song Ya Ali has such a racy mesmerizing voice. Great song. Kudos to Bollywood.

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