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(Not voting, out of protest. Don't like any of the choices.)
Interesting.

I kind of despised Zito until I regained my sense of humor. Then I appreciated him. Still didnt vote for him.

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What is the sound of one neuron firing?
I would imagine similar to the sound of an old diesel vehicle trying to turn over in cold weather.

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I would imagine similar to the sound of an old diesel vehicle trying to turn over in cold weather.
It appears that you have a judging fan. Why you and not me too?

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It appears that you have a judging fan. Why you and not me too?
Jealous?

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Jealous?
absolutely

Need to work on my obnoxiousness, apparently
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Do you even know the origins of the name "Israel"?
Its an Anglicization of a Hebrew name. Can you even provide the Hebrew name (transliterated, of course)?
You dont even know your own scriptures, I bet.
HughBe--Facts of HISTORY including the reason for the name Israel

FRijoles----Do you even know the origins of the name "Israel"?

HughBe--- Yes Miss. Israel is a construct of your rabbis.

Do you ever think? Have I not given the origin of the name many times? YES.

Frijoles---Its an Anglicization of a Hebrew name.

HughBe--- So what Genius? Is the word Jews a Hebrew word?

People at your level have not yet come to terms with the concept of TRANSLATIONS. WE normal people use it to communicate with people of different languages. This is your first lesson for the day.

So for US when we translate we get exactly what we want. On the other hand for people like you who have yet to come to understand the concept of translation and its benefits will lose out more often than not.

Memory tells me that once you paid a visit to some country. Now you wanted to eat your favourite i.e. lobster and so you read and spoke in the foreign language. However because you are truly not competent in that language you misread the menu, just as you do now when you read the scriptures in Hebrew. The result is that instead of lobster you got Casu Marzu with donkey brains.

Have you every wondered why you are so stupid? Of course not you feel that you are intelligent. I can tell you this, it is not all due to Judaism and as the saying goes you are what you eat. End of lesson 2.

Frijoles--- Can you even provide the Hebrew name (transliterated, of course)?

HUghBe--- No, you alone have access to a concordance. Here is a secret I have a BOOK at home and I have the internet as well. Do you own a Strong's Concordance or its equivalent?

Frijoles---You dont even know your own scriptures, I bet.

HughBe--- I take it that your "I bet" means that you are betting that I don't know that you are without sense. You are wrong, again.

I am reminded of this saying, he who known not that he knows not is a Frijoles. End of lesson 3.

In terms of not knowing the scriptures you are correct, only in your mind, and also only in your mind I have repeatedly demonstrated my lack of knowledge in scriptures.
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Frijoles---What is the sound of one neuron firing?

HughBe---Yours is the sound of breaking wind.
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Have you ever tried to pick cotton while singing Adon Olam?
Didnt think so.
HughBe-- Proof that your doctrine is a TOOL to enslave the Jewish people.

Frijoles---Have you ever tried to pick cotton while singing Adon Olam?

HughBe--- Never but I see great value and benefits to individuals and societies in such activities. Can you name 3 benefits? Having said that, I am happy that you raised the matter because it is a very good time to give you lesson 4 for the day.

Lesson 4--There is no disgrace in honest work. Try it.

There is EVIL in oppressing and exploiting people as under SLAVERY in America, the land where ALL men are regarded as being created equal. Seek confirmation of the TRUTH of which I speak at your SEANCE tonight. Ask the Israelites who were SLAVES and who were oppressed in Egypt for hundreds of years.

Let your masters or rabbis bring up the spirit of Moses just like Saul who brought up the "spirit" of the prophet Samuel.

Understand, that like Saul your rabbis will not be communicating with Moses or any of the people of Israel but with their(rabbis) Satan and his demonic forces.

Frijoles---Didnt think...

HughBe--- Standard

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HughBe--Facts of HISTORY including the reason for the name Israel
FRijoles----Do you even know the origins of the name "Israel"?
HughBe--- Yes Miss. Israel is a construct of your rabbis.
Do you ever think? Have I not given the origin of the name many times? YES.
Frijoles---Its an Anglicization of a Hebrew name.
HughBe--- So what Genius? Is the word Jews a Hebrew word?
People at your level have not yet come to terms with the concept of TRANSLATIONS. WE normal people use it to communicate with people of different languages. This is your first lesson for the day.
So for US when we translate we get exactly what we want. On the other hand for people like you who have yet to come to understand the concept of translation and its benefits will lose out more often than not.
Memory tells me that once you paid a visit to some country. Now you wanted to eat your favourite i.e. lobster and so you read and spoke in the foreign language. However because you are truly not competent in that language you misread the menu, just as you do now when you read the scriptures in Hebrew. The result is that instead of lobster you got Casu Marzu with donkey brains.
Have you every wondered why you are so stupid? Of course not you feel that you are intelligent. I can tell you this, it is not all due to Judaism and as the saying goes you are what you eat. End of lesson 2.
Frijoles--- Can you even provide the Hebrew name (transliterated, of course)?
HUghBe--- No, you alone have access to a concordance. Here is a secret I have a BOOK at home and I have the internet as well. Do you own a Strong's Concordance or its equivalent?
Frijoles---You dont even know your own scriptures, I bet.
HughBe--- I take it that your "I bet" means that you are betting that I don't know that you are without sense. You are wrong, again.
I am reminded of this saying, he who known not that he knows not is a Frijoles. End of lesson 3.
In terms of not knowing the scriptures you are correct, only in your mind, and also only in your mind I have repeatedly demonstrated my lack of knowledge in scriptures.
394 words wasted in that expectoration and you never even answered my question. Nice.

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Understand, that like Saul your rabbis will not be communicating with Moses or any of the people of Israel but with their(rabbis) Satan and his demonic forces.
Kindly offer proof of this supernatural accusation.

Thank you in advance.

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HughBe-- Proof that your doctrine is a TOOL to enslave the Jewish people.
Frijoles---Have you ever tried to pick cotton while singing Adon Olam?
HughBe--- Never but I see great value and benefits to individuals and societies in such activities. Can you name 3 benefits? Having said that, I am happy that you raised the matter because it is a very good time to give you lesson 4 for the day.
Lesson 4--There is no disgrace in honest work. Try it.
There is EVIL in oppressing and exploiting people as under SLAVERY in America, the land where ALL men are regarded as being created equal. Seek confirmation of the TRUTH of which I speak at your SEANCE tonight. Ask the Israelites who were SLAVES and who were oppressed in Egypt for hundreds of years.
Let your masters or rabbis bring up the spirit of Moses just like Saul who brought up the "spirit" of the prophet Samuel.
Understand, that like Saul your rabbis will not be communicating with Moses or any of the people of Israel but with their(rabbis) Satan and his demonic forces.
Frijoles---Didnt think...
HughBe--- Standard
Speaking of exploitation, I am still waiting for your example of how to treat the sickness of gayness in Jamaica

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Dont let the unanswered questions queue up too long.

I would hate to start thinking of you as a blowhard.
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That was not being discussed. You accused my of falsely speaking in the "we".
I noted my "we" is bigger than your we"we".
Frijoles---I noted my "we" is bigger than your we"we"

HughBe--- Are you aware that you have just called "God Himself" and "The words of God Almighty" PISS or as you have put it we"we"?

Your blasphemy has been noted in Heaven by God Himself and His angels.

Who the material do you think that YOU are?

Blasphemy is NOT a joke.

Now, don't resort to LIES. Both "God Himself" and "The words of God Almighty" were in my GROUP.

I know that WE have elevated OUR rabbis above God in adoration and in submission to their RULES thus VIOLATING the FIRST of the 10 commandments.

Now, based on what you have said and using an established pattern of speech by YOU and others I shall say that I did not know that WE also feel that OUR rabbis are BIGGER than God Himself.

Your WE is only "bigger" than my "we we" in your deluded mind.

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Frijoles---I noted my "we" is bigger than your we"we"
HughBe--- Are you aware that you have just called "God Himself" and "The words of God Almighty" PISS or as you have put it we"we"?
Your blasphemy has been noted in Heaven by God Himself and His angels.
Who the material do you think that YOU are?
Blasphemy is NOT a joke.
Now, don't resort to LIES. Both "God Himself" and "The words of God Almighty" were in my GROUP.
I know that WE have elevated OUR rabbis above God in adoration and in submission to their RULES thus VIOLATING the FIRST of the 10 commandments.
Now, based on what you have said and using an established pattern of speech by YOU and others I shall say that I did not know that WE also feel that OUR rabbis are BIGGER than God Himself.
Your WE is only "bigger" than my "we we" in your deluded mind.
Are you that insecure with your God concept that you cant take banter?

Are we to look forward to riots in the streets of your island?

(do I hear a fizz?)
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Not really. Modern "peoples" (better known as nation states) often have more than one practiced religion.
As of plural - I didnt make the rules. Get your schnitcher lopped a little off and we can talk.
for the 100th time - you do realize that noone other than you buys your BS?
HughBe---Do you know the irony of it all? The Jewish people are perhaps the most SECULAR of all peoples today.

Frijoles---Not really. Modern "peoples" (better known as nation states) often have more than one practiced religion.

HughBe--- So what? How many religions are in Israel today? Understand, regardless of the number of religions the fact is, the people are RELIGIOUS and have an ethnic background. So ethno-religious.

At what point in Israel's history did they have ONE religion? Support answer from scripture.

Also, are you saying that nation states are a modern phenomena?

Getting back to MY point in post. The point or focus is on SECULAR as opposed to RELIGIOUS and the observation was made that the irony of it all is that the Jewish people are perhaps the most SECULAR of all peoples today.

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Do you think your weewee is larger than Jesus's was?

Do you ever wonder about that?

Does that keep you UP at night?

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my bad, I know
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Trust us, you are not the goto for facts about Jews.
It is interesting that you have said that and it tells me that nothing has changed over 4000 years. You tell me to "Trust US" and again you speak on behalf of the Jewish people. I accept your representation.

That aside, it is unfortunate that the go-to for US is a rabbi and not the law and the prophets and FACTS and TRUTHS.

When I spoke about Jews being secular I spoke from good sources I did not speak based on FEELINGS. Note, the speculation is that they are PERHAPS the most secular.

I now speak based on impressions. I would say that the vast majority 90% or more of Jamaicans would CALL themselves RELIGIOUS. That religion could be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism etc. The fact is that they REGARD themselves as RELIGIOUS.

I believe that in the US it would be similar. In Iran the same. In Iraq and in Egypt the same. Getting the picture. However among Jews approximately 50% call themselves SECULAR be it atheists, agnostics whatever.

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It is interesting that you have said that and it tells me that nothing has changed over 4000 years. You tell me to "Trust US" and again you speak on behalf of the Jewish people. I accept your representation.
That aside, it is unfortunate that the go-to for US is a rabbi and not the law and the prophets and FACTS and TRUTHS.
Funny you would say that, because I never said that.
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<quoted text>When I spoke about Jews being secular I spoke from good sources I did not speak based on FEELINGS. Note, the speculation is that they are PERHAPS the most secular.
I now speak based on impressions. I would say that the vast majority 90% or more of Jamaicans would CALL themselves RELIGIOUS. That religion could be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism etc. The fact is that they REGARD themselves as RELIGIOUS.
I believe that in the US it would be similar. In Iran the same. In Iraq and in Egypt the same. Getting the picture. However among Jews approximately 50% call themselves SECULAR be it atheists, agnostics whatever.
Why would the US be similar to Jamaica? For one thing we dont beat the sht out of gays for sport. We dont have the same religious mix, nor do we share similar religious OR civic histories.

Furthermore, what exactly is your point regarding how many Jews are secular? I fail to see why this is important to anything we have been discussing here. Perhaps you need a nudge as to what the heck you are talking about.

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When I spoke about Jews being secular I spoke from good sources I did not speak based on FEELINGS. Note, the speculation is that they are PERHAPS the most secular.
Why would you share that with us? Do we care how you feel?

What are your sources regarding your "facts"?

Have you ever met an orthodox Jew in person?

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