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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60137 Oct 11, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Hugh the Humo,
Enough of that religious nonsense.
I want you to define SECULARISM and INTELLIGENCE so that we can debate these terms seriously and raise the pathetic moral and intellectual standards here.
Thanks.
Dearest, go back to my definition of intelligence as I am not inclined to keep repeating the same thing.

In terms of secularism, it is the separation of religion from all areas of life except where it belongs i.e. in churches, mosque, temples, synagogues etc.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#60138 Oct 11, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>

Joel--Do you think Eric is intelligent?

Hugh--- Yes in the normal usage of the word.
Well, I am used to much higher intellectual standards and so I find him terribly lacking in intelligence even the common kind of intelligence.

Anyway, hope all is well at your end.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#60139 Oct 11, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you mean, Mon?
Do you think Eric is intelligent?
I think he's low down the intelligence scale.
Right. I was the one who allowed myself to be manipulated by others to the point that I became psychotic. That I became physically ill. That I contemplated suicide.

In actuality, Joel, I care not what you think. Never have. Some recluse living in solitude in India. Being milked by your "friends" whom you never see unless they want a free dinner.

However, I do care for you as a fellow human being and was genuinely concerned when you recently went off the deep end. Now it seems that you are feeling better and the old Joel is rearing its ugly head.

BTW, Joel, who's that end of the world scenario going for you? You time schedule is WAY behind, isn't it?
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#60140 Oct 11, 2013
Sorry, **how's** that end of the world scenario

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#60141 Oct 11, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>

However, it is a FACT that Eric lacks WISDOM and more importantly INTEGRITY.
WISDOM is a yogic capacity - the rare individual possesses it to some extent that depends on the degree of his yogic capacity of perceiving the causal mechanism.

INTEGRITY is a matter of good genes and sound upbringing.

He is neither wise nor has integrity and as said earlier lacks intelligence.


I mean had I known him personally, I'd have simply looked down on him. He is riff raff, kind of dregs.

I wonder what fun you derive by debating riff raff like him and that too on silly matters like cult, rituals and priest-craft.

Grow up.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#60142 Oct 11, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Eric--What a non-sequitur!
HughBe--- It is as you have said ONLY in your head and the heads of other half-wits.
Let me simplify it for you. It is clear to me and ALL native speakers of English that Abraham was concerned about and thus spoke about not having his own BIOLOGICAL child or as he puts it SEED as his heir. YOU cannot get this point and I understand your challenges. So, try the passages below and see if they make a difference in your understanding that SEED means physical OFFSPRING and NOT converts.
By the way, ALL under Abraham's control had to observe God's laws but ALL were NOT promised the land.
"Then Abram said,“O Lord God, what will You give me? For I have NO CHILD. And the one who is to receive what belongs to me is Eliezer of Damascus(CONCERN).Abram said,“Because You have not given me a CHILD(SEED), one born in my house will be given all I have.”
Then the word of the Lord came to him, saying,“This man will not be given what is yours(WILL NOT INHERIT the LAND). BUT he who will COME FROM YOUR OWN BODY will be given what is yours( INHERIT the land.)"
Can you now understand that the land of Israel was given to his SEED meaning PHYSICAL SEED and not your converts?
Do YOU understand "he who will COME FROM YOUR OWN BODY"? I am not very hopefully given that self-deception is DOMINANT in YOU.
Now, had you been a STUDENT of the scriptures you would have known that God said that He knew that Abraham would ensure that ALL under his control meaning children and others would obey His laws. Note, all under his control were NOT promised the land. Did this fact go over your head? Remember Eliezer and Abraham's concern about him inheriting his possessions?
Here is Abraham's complaint or concern again, STUDY it.--
"I am going on childless and he who shall be the owner and heir of my house is this [steward] Eliezer of Damascus?"
Finally, Eliezer and all else would have to OBEY God's laws but the LAND was NOT given to Eliezer and others to inherit, save his SEED /offspring.
----------
Now reread the previous post which is provided below.
Eric--Torah SAYS that the animals came to the Ark; not that Noah went out and got them.
HughBe--- Torah SAYS---"all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy SEED for ever."
"And Abram said(to Almighty God), Behold, to me thou hast given no SEED: and, lo, one born in my house is mine HEIR."
Clear, COVERTS are NOT SEED.
Exactly as I said, Hugh. Your diatribe has nothing to do with my topic that you re-posted.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#60143 Oct 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>

BTW, Joel, who's that end of the world scenario going for you? You time schedule is WAY behind, isn't it?
I'd spoken of transformation of matter and of humankind via supramentalization, not about the end of the world.

2016 is still a few years away...so, let's wait and watch.

Supramentalization is an extremely difficult process in the individual, collectivity and terrestrial matter and is not like say a sick ritual like a human or an animal sacrifice or kiddish stuff like head bowing or scripture reading or looking up to evil men called prophets.

The supramental plane is known to just a handful of persons in the whole of human history (none of the Hebrew prophets had a clue about the supermind), while the lowly vital plane is the basis of almost all the religions of the world.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#60144 Oct 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>

However, I do care for you as a fellow human being and was genuinely concerned when you recently went off the deep end.
I know, thank you.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60145 Oct 11, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I am used to much higher intellectual standards and so I find him terribly lacking in intelligence even the common kind of intelligence.
Anyway, hope all is well at your end.
I have learnt to deal with people of all levels of intelligence even those at Eric's level.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#60146 Oct 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>

That I became physically ill. That I contemplated suicide.
You are to blame for some part of this dark happening in my life...

You're words and thoughts called in certain adverse forces in greater measure into my aura with damaging consequences and I'd hinted at what you'd done in a post a week or so ago .

Take care - there may well occur a hard rebound and then it will be the end for you though I don't wish for such thing to happen to you.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60147 Oct 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
Sorry,**how's** that end of the world scenario
Eric to Joel---Sorry,**how's** that end of the world scenario

HughBe---Sounds like the words of a drowning man, to me.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#60148 Oct 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
BTW, Joel, how's that end of the world scenario going for you? You time schedule is WAY behind, isn't it?
At least he's in "good" company:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/07/mich...

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#60149 Oct 11, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>

In terms of secularism, it is the separation of religion from all areas of life except where it belongs i.e. in churches, mosque, temples, synagogues etc.
Divisiveness never pays in the longer run...

Life should be inclusive not exclusive even if one does not believe...and so there's a more refined definition of the concept of secularism based on pluralism...

More on this, later.

I am going out for dinner to the swank Golden Dragon in the Taj.

Take care.

Bye.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60150 Oct 11, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly as I said, Hugh. Your diatribe has nothing to do with my topic that you re-posted.
1. Woe to you who call sweet bitter and bitter sweet, as you have now done.

2. STUDY---ALL under Abraham's control had to observe God's laws but ALL were NOT promised the land.

"Then Abram said,“O Lord God, what will You give me? For I have NO CHILD. And the one who is to receive what belongs to me is Eliezer of Damascus(CONCERN).Abram said,“Because You have not given me a CHILD(SEED), one born in my house will be given all I have.”

Then the word of the Lord came to him, saying,“This man will not be given what is yours(WILL NOT INHERIT the LAND). BUT he who will COME FROM YOUR OWN BODY will be given what is yours( INHERIT the land.)"

Can you now understand that the land of Israel was given to his SEED meaning PHYSICAL SEED and not your converts?

Do YOU understand "he who will COME FROM YOUR OWN BODY"? I am not very hopefully given that self-deception is DOMINANT in YOU.

Now, had you been a STUDENT of the scriptures you would have known that God said that He knew that Abraham would ensure that ALL under his control meaning children and others would obey His laws. Note, all under his control were NOT promised the land. Did this fact go over your head? Remember Eliezer and Abraham's concern about him inheriting his possessions?

Here is Abraham's complaint or concern again, STUDY it.--
"I am going on childless and he who shall be the owner and heir of my house is this [steward] Eliezer of Damascus?"

Finally, Eliezer and all else would have to OBEY God's laws but the LAND was NOT given to Eliezer and others to inherit, save his SEED /offspring.

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#60151 Oct 11, 2013
Unity in variety is the law in nature.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#60152 Oct 11, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
WISDOM is a yogic capacity - the rare individual possesses it to some extent that depends on the degree of his yogic capacity of perceiving the causal mechanism.
INTEGRITY is a matter of good genes and sound upbringing.
He is neither wise nor has integrity and as said earlier lacks intelligence.
I mean had I known him personally, I'd have simply looked down on him. He is riff raff, kind of dregs.
I wonder what fun you derive by debating riff raff like him and that too on silly matters like cult, rituals and priest-craft.
Grow up.
1. I believe that there is merit in your "grow up" comment. Those who are children either physically or emotionally, as he is, ought to play with other children. His game is one of make believe and is appropriate for people of his mental and emotional age.

2. There is no longer any fun as I realize that honest discussions are NEVER a part of his agenda. What are ALWAYS on his agenda are LIES and DECEPTION. I am not joking.

3. To most decent persons he would be a riff-raff because of his lack of integrity.
Voluntarist

United States

#60153 Oct 11, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
You really need to stop worshiping government, and stop worshiping Ayn Rand, and just see the enterprise as it really is, with an objective attitude.
What it is, a group of men and women exerting force over others providing services at the barrel of a gun.
Voluntarist

United States

#60154 Oct 11, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
The law of the jungle would prevail if government is abolished.
How do you know?
Voluntarist

United States

#60155 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
What does that have to do with the post I was responding to?
But since you asked, there are humanists of all ideological bents. Many are libertarians. I'm not because I believe government, based on secular ideals of fairness, justice and equality, can be used as a force for good with the right checks and balances in place. Government is what we make it. Don't like it? Then make it better.
So you think people can be moral and ethical without religion but not without government?
Just want to know your stance.
And why or why not?
Voluntarist

United States

#60156 Oct 11, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
What does that have to do with the post I was responding to?
But since you asked, there are humanists of all ideological bents. Many are libertarians. I'm not because I believe government, based on secular ideals of fairness, justice and equality, can be used as a force for good with the right checks and balances in place. Government is what we make it. Don't like it? Then make it better.
Wow I have allowed you to side step the question.
The question was, cant people be moral and ethical without government?

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