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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59556 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Stay away from Rhubarb and spinach - they have 100x more oxalate than other foods.
Till now, I have never had kidney stones.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59557 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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K stones suck. I have had several of them, and each time I ended up in the ER.
Take care of your health and stay safe.

For every physical trait/condition, there exists a corresponding psychological condition in view of the close nexus between mind and matter and so I would hazard a guess that there could exist a psychological reason that supports the frequent formation of painful kidney stones as certain mind patterns could mutate the genes responsible for smooth kidney functioning thereby aiding in the process of the crystallization of calcium oxalate stones in super-saturated solution in kidney.

This appears logical to me and in my yogic experiences I have always seen a mind-matter co-relation in everything.

Well, anyway, good health and good cheer to you.
el cid 777

Scranton, PA

#59558 Oct 4, 2013
Hi! I am on a religion forum, so I will speak
about religion. The Jews have a group of people
called Zionists. These Zionists believe that a
messiah is coming to the Jewish people who will
help them conquer the world. Christians say an
anti-christ is coming to the Jews and he will be a
tyrant. The space aliens say: "Do not listen to
Biblical prophecy, because it is not going to
happen"! Biblical prophecy has outlived its time.
We are now in the 21st century and things will be
different. The world, as we know it, has ended
sometime in the year 2000. We are just now grinding
to a halt! The only thing that we still have that
is "old hat" is we still have sickness and death!
All other things are new! I am getting an error on
the page message on my computer, so I had better
sign off. Love, el cid 777

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59559 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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I guess the kidney stones with rounded edges would be less painful since rounded stones would occupy less surface area thus making it easier for them to pass out through the urinary system via the excreted urine. Besides, rounded stones means less pain as sharp projections are absent or minimal.
Thats basically the idea. Though most of the pain (renal colic) is from the difference in hydraulic pressures before and after the obstruction.

You would find this article interesting about the Green Tea and crystal formation

http://www.rsc.org/Publishing/ChemScience/Vol...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59560 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Till now, I have never had kidney stones.
There is a reasonably good chance you wont in the future either, so dont worry.
debblie

Pittsburgh, PA

#59561 Oct 4, 2013
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Israel a turd
Eric

Roselle, IL

#59562 Oct 4, 2013
debblie wrote:
youtube.com/watch?v=s8QXI9zIfE c …
Israel a turd
Pittsburgh Rivers--full of turds

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59563 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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That's basically the idea. Though most of the pain (renal colic) is from the difference in hydraulic pressures before and after the obstruction.
Kidney stones are fully immersed in liquid (urine) or it could be said that they're formed in liquid by the crystallization of calcium oxalate molecules from supersaturated solution and are as such fully surrounded by the liquid media even if attached to the inner lining of the organ from where they keep moving down the urinary tract as more and even more water that is imbibed by the patient ends up in the kidneys.

This incoming water into the kidneys then increases the liquid pressure on the stone causing the stone to sink further and besides the density of the stone begins to exceed in larger measure the density of the liquid as the incoming water serves to dilute the urine and so both these factors cause the stone to keep sinking down the urinary tract to be finally expelled from the body.

Both the liquid pressure (P = hdg, h = height of the liquid column above the stone) as well as the the laws of flotation (see below) would be responsible for the liquid pressure generated and for the dynamics/motion of kidney stones.

w = weight of the body (here, kidney stone)

U = upthrust of the displaced fluid acting on the body

If w is greater than U, the body will sink in the liquid which indicates that the density of the body sinking in the liquid is greater than the density of the liquid.

But, if w = U then the body will float just inside the liquid surface implying thereby that the density of the body is equal to the density of the liquid.

Both aspects of the law of flotation come into play at various stages of the disease condition.

The liquid displaced by the kidney stone creates the upthrust and the fact that the stone is immersed in the liquid would then bring into the picture the liquid pressure (not hydrostatic pressure since urine is not only formed of water).

The downward motion of the kidney stone would be accelerated when P and d (stone) exceed U.

Right, then. Enjoy life.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59565 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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There is a reasonably good chance you wont in the future either, so don't worry.
Oh, thank you, I hope so...

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59566 Oct 4, 2013
Good night. Time to take my medicines and to relax a little.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59567 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Kidney stones are fully immersed in liquid (urine) or it could be said that they're formed in liquid by the crystallization of calcium oxalate molecules from supersaturated solution and are as such fully surrounded by the liquid media even if attached to the inner lining of the organ from where they keep moving down the urinary tract as more and even more water that is imbibed by the patient ends up in the kidneys.
This incoming water into the kidneys then increases the liquid pressure on the stone causing the stone to sink further and besides the density of the stone begins to exceed in larger measure the density of the liquid as the incoming water serves to dilute the urine and so both these factors cause the stone to keep sinking down the urinary tract to be finally expelled from the body.
Both the liquid pressure (P = hdg, h = height of the liquid column above the stone) as well as the the laws of flotation (see below) would be responsible for the liquid pressure generated and for the dynamics/motion of kidney stones.
w = weight of the body (here, kidney stone)
U = upthrust of the displaced fluid acting on the body
If w is greater than U, the body will sink in the liquid which indicates that the density of the body sinking in the liquid is greater than the density of the liquid.
But, if w = U then the body will float just inside the liquid surface implying thereby that the density of the body is equal to the density of the liquid.
Both aspects of the law of flotation come into play at various stages of the disease condition.
The liquid displaced by the kidney stone creates the upthrust and the fact that the stone is immersed in the liquid would then bring into the picture the liquid pressure (not hydrostatic pressure since urine is not only formed of water).
The downward motion of the kidney stone would be accelerated when P and d (stone) exceed U.
Right, then. Enjoy life.
If you wanted to really be concise I suppose you could model the flow the same way one modeled groundwaterflow through a medium using Darcy's Law.

However, biology also plays a role. Contractions of the muscles in the wall of the ureter also pushed the stones along. That is the second source of pain after renal colic. This pain is not as intense, and is a good thing, as it signifies movement.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59568 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Kidney stones are fully immersed in liquid (urine) or it could be said that they're formed in liquid by the crystallization of calcium oxalate molecules from supersaturated solution and are as such fully surrounded by the liquid media even if attached to the inner lining of the organ from where they keep moving down the urinary tract as more and even more water that is imbibed by the patient ends up in the kidneys.
Bringing us back to the original discussion of whether the concentrations of the constituent elements (calcium and oxalate for that type of stone) matter as much as the properties of the solution.

With the right pH and ion or other physical exchange, the constituent reagents are whisked away BEFORE they have a chance to precipitate and crystalize. The easiest way to have this happen is simply drink more water. A second way is to imbibe more citrate as it complexes with the calcium (drink more lemonade).

keep in mind there are several types of stones - you need to catch one and send it to a lab to figure which type you have. Calcium oxalate is the most common though.
Voluntarist

United States

#59569 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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You mean that kidney stones are caused by an accumulation of calcium oxalate in the organ.
Kidney stones usually comprised of a compound called calcium oxalate, are the result of an accumulation of dissolved minerals on the inner lining of the kidneys. These deposits can grow to the size of a golf ball while maintaining a sharp, crystalline structure.
So, obviously, it means an excess of Ca^2+ ions that bond with oxalate anions C204^2- or (COO)2*2- form kidney stones.
Absolutely not, kidney stones are formed BECAUSE of a calcium deficiency.
Voluntarist

United States

#59570 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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If so then why did 3 of your previous small businesses fail if the profits were "high" as you claim?
I don't know what retailing you do but obviously it's similar to a boring Mom and Pop store.
Anyway, go forward and do well in business and do good to all including yourself.
Just because a business is profitable doesn't mean there is enough volume to sustain.
Technology changed, other avenues opened up and now nobody is making money.
Nuff said without disclosing my identity, ive been in the news everyone knows me, it isn't hard to figure out who I am based on my past business.
Voluntarist

United States

#59571 Oct 4, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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If so then why did 3 of your previous small businesses fail if the profits were "high" as you claim?
I don't know what retailing you do but obviously it's similar to a boring Mom and Pop store.
Anyway, go forward and do well in business and do good to all including yourself.
Define small business, here small business in retail is under 30 employees and gross sales under $500,000.
Voluntarist

United States

#59572 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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very WRONG. I have MUCH research and experience in this matter. You cant snow me on this one.
There are several types of stones with several differnt etiologies. The one common thread is the need to drink more water.
For oxalate, the most common, drinking citrate is good as well (lemon) for prevention. Also, there is some evidence that Green Tea assists in the formation of a crystal with more rounded edges which might help in the long run.
Once they form and obstruct you are sht out of luck.
Dr Wallech has more research on it than you shit face again, the proof is in the pudding.
Voluntarist

United States

#59573 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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very WRONG. I have MUCH research and experience in this matter. You cant snow me on this one.
There are several types of stones with several differnt etiologies. The one common thread is the need to drink more water.
For oxalate, the most common, drinking citrate is good as well (lemon) for prevention. Also, there is some evidence that Green Tea assists in the formation of a crystal with more rounded edges which might help in the long run.
Once they form and obstruct you are sht out of luck.
What About Your Calcium Intake?
In the past, kidney stone sufferers have been
warned to avoid foods rich in calcium.
However, there is now evidence that avoiding
calcium may do more harm than good. The
Harvard School of Public Health conducted a
study of more than 45,000 men. The men who
had diets rich in calcium had a one-third
lower risk of kidney stones than those with
lower calcium diets [5].
Why would this be? It seems counterintuitive.
After all, calcium is the largest component in
the stones.
The answer is that high dietary calcium
actually blocks a chemical action that causes
the formation of the stones. It binds with
oxalates (from foods) in your intestine, which
then prevents both from being absorbed into
your blood and later transferred to your
kidneys.
So, urinary oxalates may be more important to
formation of calcium-oxalate kidney stone
crystals than is urinary calcium.
It is important to note that it is the calcium
from foods that is beneficial -- not calcium
supplements, which have actually been found
to increase your risk of kidney stones by 20
percent [6].
Busting the Myth That High Protein Diets Lead
to Kidney Stones.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/ar...

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59574 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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However, biology also plays a role. Contractions of the muscles in the wall of the ureter also pushed the stones along. That is the second source of pain after renal colic.
Contraction of muscles would be a result of peristalsis and of reaction of the muscle walls on the liquid according to Newton's 3rd Law.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59575 Oct 4, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Bringing us back to the original discussion of whether the concentrations of the constituent elements (calcium and oxalate for that type of stone) matter as much as the properties of the solution.

With the right pH and ion or other physical exchange, the constituent reagents are whisked away BEFORE they have a chance to precipitate and crystalize. The easiest way to have this happen is simply drink more water. A second way is to imbibe more citrate as it complexes with the calcium (drink more lemonade).
That comes in later once medication begins.

To begin with the stones are formed as a result of crystallization of calcium oxalate from supersaturated solution with a double decomposition reaction taking place between say calcium hydroxide and oxalic acid giving rise to crystals of calcium oxalate. Common ion effect would reduce the solubility of the growing crystal.

On drinking more water, the specific gravity (not density) of the solution would keep getting lowered and this then would cause the stones to sink further down the urinary tract since the density (not specific gravity) of the stones in diluted solution would keep increasing in relative terms as water would serve to dilute the solution. So, with greater intake of water, the density of the stones would exceed the specific gravity of the liquid and this in turn would create a condition of w greater than U causing the stones to sink and keep sinking. As the stones sink further down, the height of the liquid column above the stones would keep increasing thereby increasing the liquid pressure (not hydrostatic pressure) on the stones and so the added pressure on the stones would be another cause of causing the kidney stones to keep sinking and sinking until they get pushed out of the urinary tract.

However, I guess the volume or size of the stones would keep getting smaller as some part of the crystal would keep dissolving in the liquid media and aside from more water entering the kidney, added acid imbibed as part of diet or medical treatment would cause a breakdown of the crystal as the crystal would keep dissolving in the surrounding liquid.

Peristaltic movements would also play a role in flushing out the stones.

Ok, then.

JOEL THUMBS UP

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#59576 Oct 4, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Define small business, here small business in retail is under 30 employees and gross sales under $500,000.
I don't know the kind of retail you were into when you conducted those 3 businesses that you subsequently abandoned for whatever reasons. Now, you have 2 service businesses. I don't know what kind of services you offer - body massages? pubic hair trims? toilet cleaning? laundry?. So, I can't comment. However, your businesses are the typical small enterprises and besides you've been busy jumping from one business to another with the folding up of each business due to loss or whatever reason.

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