Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#58764 Sep 23, 2013
God or G-d is not the highest generalization in existence but is a personalized manifestation of an aspect or of certain aspects of the powers of the impersonal realms as they descend and divide and these personalized formations called typal beings (with each of the megalomaniacal ones calling itself G-d or God) are mere emissaries of the higher impersonal that're stationed on the lower triple planes of mind, vital and matter taken in their cosmic sense.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#58766 Sep 23, 2013
The Personal G-d is exceeded by the Impersonal Principle and the Impersonal Principle is exceeded by the Absolute Field of Consciousness-Energy.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#58767 Sep 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Thats a Willie Nelson song - in case you dont have access to such high culture in India
High culture?

(smiles)

One thing I would like to mention in this context is my personal experiences with many Americans and Europeans.

The American and European clients - many of whom are wealthy and well educated - who I regularly see and at times talk with in the swanky restaurants of the Taj or in the Vivanta are usually ill at ease in the heritage surroundings that simply reek of luxury and class. They lack the social graces, carry themselves poorly even if attired in haute couture, have poor knowledge of current affairs/art/fashion/cuisines/s cience/mind-matter/history, lack the capacity for making intelligent conversation, mispronounce words on the menus and have little or no knowledge about tableware. The same sad story is repeated when I meet them abroad during my travels. These Americans and Europeans get unsettled by the finesse, great looks, polished use of the English language, elegant designer clothes, in-depth knowledge of various subjects and terrific poise that's seen in Nisha, Rachel, Jay, me and a few others who're close friends.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#58771 Sep 23, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm embarrassed by your outpouring of romantic emotions for me....
Please stop.
(grins)
The boy/Frijoles has rear thoughts about you. You have been warned.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#58774 Sep 23, 2013
Eric wrote:
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pssst, don't tell Hugh. Hugh will force him to remain a Jew.
One thing is for sure, you are ever gaining knowledge but not the understanding.

The man changed his RELIGION from Judaism a RELIGION to Christianity another RELIGION.

He cannot change his RACE whatever that maybe.

He cannot change who his ancestors were.

Is there any possibility that these BASIC truths will ever be understood by YOU?

In thinking about it, I give it a possibility of .0001%. Yes that high.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#58775 Sep 23, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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My doctrine predicted Jews would return to the land of Israel.
Idol worship is anathema to Judaism. Violating the second commandment is anathema to Judaism.
Buy you really knew that and are in denial.
1. Judaism says one thing and does another.

2. Why is it hard for you to understand that any man who can overturn the commandments of God must be EQUAL to or greater than God Almighty? The rabbis of Judaism have done this.

3. Their perceived "ability" to overturn God's commandment makes them gods. Now this is IDOLATRY and their BLIND sheep follow their CORRUPT masters.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#58777 Sep 23, 2013
Eric wrote:
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That's just it, Hugh. Scholars have no idea who actually wrote the extant New Testament.
Someone in history decided to take the Tanakh and force Jesus' life into it. They then added stuff to make the Gentiles happy. It was all attributed to apostles and the like, but scholars don't buy their authorship.
As the Catholic Encyclopedia tells us:
"Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and its earliest development are chiefly the New Testament Scriptures, the authenticity of which we must, to a great extent, take for granted."
(Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. iii, p. 712)
the Gospels "do not go back to the first century of the Christian era"
(Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. vi, p. 137, pp. 655-6).
"the earliest of the extant manuscripts [of the New Testament], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD"
(Catholic Encyclopedia, op. cit., pp. 656-7).
Constantine was the one who codified the New Testament in the 4th Century CE. Constantine was not a Jew but a Roman.
(Life of Constantine, attributed to Eusebius Pamphilius of Caesarea, c. 335, vol. iii, p. 171; The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, cited as N&PNF, attributed to St Ambrose, Rev. Prof. Roberts, DD, and Principal James Donaldson, LLD, editors, 1891, vol. iv, p. 467).
Constantine told Eusebius:
"Search ye these books, and whatever is good in them, that retain; but whatsoever is evil, that cast away. What is good in one book, unite ye with that which is good in another book. And whatsoever is thus brought together shall be called The Book of Books. And it shall be the doctrine of my people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake."
(God's Book of Eskra, op. cit., chapter xlviii, paragraph 31)
"Make them to astonish" said Constantine, and "the books were written accordingly"
(Life of Constantine, vol. iv, pp. 36-39).
Eric---THEY then added stuff to make the Gentiles happy.

HughBe--- Who are the THEY?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#58779 Sep 23, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
That's just it, Hugh. Scholars have no idea who actually wrote the extant New Testament.
Someone in history decided to take the Tanakh and force Jesus' life into it. They then added stuff to make the Gentiles happy. It was all attributed to apostles and the like, but scholars don't buy their authorship.
As the Catholic Encyclopedia tells us:
"Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and its earliest development are chiefly the New Testament Scriptures, the authenticity of which we must, to a great extent, take for granted."
(Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. iii, p. 712)
the Gospels "do not go back to the first century of the Christian era"
(Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. vi, p. 137, pp. 655-6).
"the earliest of the extant manuscripts [of the New Testament], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD"
(Catholic Encyclopedia, op. cit., pp. 656-7).
Constantine was the one who codified the New Testament in the 4th Century CE. Constantine was not a Jew but a Roman.
(Life of Constantine, attributed to Eusebius Pamphilius of Caesarea, c. 335, vol. iii, p. 171; The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, cited as N&PNF, attributed to St Ambrose, Rev. Prof. Roberts, DD, and Principal James Donaldson, LLD, editors, 1891, vol. iv, p. 467).
Constantine told Eusebius:
"Search ye these books, and whatever is good in them, that retain; but whatsoever is evil, that cast away. What is good in one book, unite ye with that which is good in another book. And whatsoever is thus brought together shall be called The Book of Books. And it shall be the doctrine of my people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake."
(God's Book of Eskra, op. cit., chapter xlviii, paragraph 31)
"Make them to astonish" said Constantine, and "the books were written accordingly"
(Life of Constantine, vol. iv, pp. 36-39).
I am still waiting, Eric.

List all the writers of the NT that were not Jews and also quantify their contribution and their percentage of total writers.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#58780 Sep 23, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Yes, I used the Ouija board in a negative context while associating you with it.
That shows that you are an ass.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#58781 Sep 23, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles has rear thoughts about you. You have been warned.
ha ha ha

Should I lose my virginity to Frijoles considering his sexual attraction for young males?

(smiles)

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

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#58782 Sep 23, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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1. Judaism says one thing and does another.
2. Why is it hard for you to understand that any man who can overturn the commandments of God must be EQUAL to or greater than God Almighty? The rabbis of Judaism have done this.
3. Their perceived "ability" to overturn God's commandment makes them gods. Now this is IDOLATRY and their BLIND sheep follow their CORRUPT masters.
Who overturned the second commandment?

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

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#58783 Sep 23, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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I am still waiting, Eric.
List all the writers of the NT that were not Jews and also quantify their contribution and their percentage of total writers.
Their ethnicity was Jewish, they no longer followed Judaism.
THE LAST WARRIOR POET

Hurricane, WV

#58784 Sep 23, 2013
None the less, if people would learn to discern both old and new testament prophesies and how they correlate to one another it cannot be denied.Whether you're an atheist or non christian jew the probabilities of this correlation cant be just a coincidence. If these same odds were in a gambling parlor you would win with every roll of the dice. You want real wealth? Then accept the truth.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#58785 Sep 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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anyone who wastes valuable energy ranting against "Rabbis" is a Jew hater.
rabbee: well their is the chance, they hate lies from liars. if i hate the same things, HaShem Hates. does that make, me anti-semitic, antichristian, anti-muslim, anti-atheist?
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#58786 Sep 23, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Rabbis are vampires. The worst of the lot become priests in any cult/religion.
rabbee: ah! your just saying that, cause they are anti-joel.

JOEL THUMBS UP

Since: May 13

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#58787 Sep 23, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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That shows that you are an ass.
Thank you, Mon.

Like Frijoles, you're around 48 years or 50, Mon.

When will you stop ranting?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#58788 Sep 23, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
anyone who wastes valuable energy ranting against "Rabbis" is a Jew hater.
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Anyone who seeks to enslave others are CRIMINALS and EVIL, in my opinion.

The Jewish people have been enslaved via how they live and how they are FORCED to think. The Jewish people DO NOT have the BASIC human RIGHT of FREEDOM to CHOOSE their RELIGION and in particular Christianity.

Should they have the BALLS to exercise their BASIC human RIGHTS then the pharaohs of Judaism seek to strip them of their Jewish IDENTITY. In my opinion, this practice is CRIMINAL. I honestly believe this and even if it is not criminal it is surely TOTALLY dishonest.

The Jews are the DESCENDANTS of Israel and by definition they are ALL Israelites by BIOLOGY. Nothing can change this FACT of life and HISTORY, not even the LIES of the rabbis.

Link ALL of the above to the many Genealogies in the Tanach and ask yourself this , what is genealogy about? Is genealogy about RACE or is it about RELIGION?

FREEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!!!!
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#58789 Sep 23, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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Their ethnicity was Jewish, they no longer followed Judaism.
HughBe---List all the writers of the NT that were not Jews and also quantify their contribution and their percentage of total writers.

Adam---Their ethnicity was Jewish, they no longer followed Judaism.

HughBe--- Ok, now tell me what is Judaism. Also who were they following? Compare the teachings of their leader to Judaism and tell me which set of doctrines are in harmony or closer to what is found in the Tanach.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#58790 Sep 23, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: ah! your just saying that, cause they are anti-joel.
but then again - so is everybody else on this message thread.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#58791 Sep 23, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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Who overturned the second commandment?
Why do YOU find basic English such a challenge?

Have the rabbis added to the Tanach via their teachings?

If YES, have they overturned the commandment of God via, NO ADDITION?

Do rabbis teach against Jews marrying non-Jews?

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