Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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#57146 Aug 20, 2013
Hugh,

How many guys have you slept with till now?

How much have you earned from the flesh trade that you're into so shamelessly?

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#57147 Aug 20, 2013
"Where is the spring and the summer that once was yours and mine? where did it go? I just don't know, but still my love for you will live forever, Hasta Manana, till we meet again..."

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#57148 Aug 20, 2013
At times during an experience involving the descent of the higher force, the body feels so light that a little more of this lightness and its density would dip below 1 gm/cc making it possible to walk on water or walk a feet or so above the ground. This phenomenon indicates that the higher force mobilizes the vital causing it to activate the physico-vital force current from the feet towards the head which results in the said lightness of the body.

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#57149 Aug 20, 2013
"The key to happiness is not to be identified with what is impermanent."

- George Gurdjieff

QUESTIONS:

What does the above quote mean? How true is it?

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#57150 Aug 20, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Your problem is your FAILURE to understand that during the lifetime of any person his or her beliefs will change many times. However his or her BIOLOGY NEVER changes, it is CONSTANT.
Tell me Eric, was the COVENANT to the land of Israel made to Abraham and Israel based on BELIEFS or was it based on BIOLOGY or SEED of ABRAHAM?
Both. There was ethnicity but also behavioral obligations.

Fail.

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#57152 Aug 20, 2013
Hugh,

Don't come to Mumbai dressed as a shemale.

I'll be too embarrassed to be seen with a shemale.

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#57156 Aug 21, 2013
PERMANENCE & IMPERMANENCE:

"The key to happiness is not to be identified with what is impermanent."

- George Gurdjieff

JOEL:

1) Everything within 4 dimensional space-time is impermanent and a dualism. Material forms, the body, natural phenomena, relationships, health, wealth, thoughts, emotions, likes and dislikes and just about everything in nature and in the individual lacks the quality of permanence.

2) Nothing endures in its same configuration, poise or position.

3) Besides, everything within 4-dimensional space-time is a dualism by which I mean one can argue for or against anything and both sides to any argument would have its validity. So, where happiness is, sadness co-exists. As such attaining to true and lasting happiness within this 4-dimesnional universe with its compressed consciousness is a pip dream. Within the dualisms, everything is perishable and changeable.

4) So, what, then, gives us a sense of permanence in this sea of fluidity?

5) If I say it's the self it would be incomprehensible to most people and at the same time there's no physical proof of the self except for a mass of awareness that's always in a state of flux.

6) Within 4-dimensional space time nothing appears permanent, imperishable or constant.

7) In a way, a sense of permanency would be perceived if we consider the tiny packet of energy that constitutes us - while its material manifestation is bound to change and disintegrate, its energy equivalent would endure in keeping with the conservation principle but at the same time its individuality would be lost since the packet of energy would simply integrate itself with the waves of universal energy and then who's to say which quantum of energy came from me.

8) There's no way of distinguishing this sort of individuality that merges with the universal.

9) The consciousness inherent in that packet of endures also endures since energy is conscious but if like its energy equivalent it does not get mingled with the universal stream of consciousness then this would be a way of saying that individuality through its specific consciousness endures.

10) Manifest conscious energy vibrates at a specific frequency but with the dissolution of the universal material form, the universal conscious energy would vibrate at a much higher rate and so its 4-dimensional character would gave way to a higher dimensional reality and in this way the 4-dimensional universe would disappear from view and the conscious energy constituting it would by virtue of it vibrating a higher frequency enter a higher dimensional state. When the rate of vibration reduces and matches that of a 4-dimensional framework, the conscious energy would once again manifest as a 4-dimenional spatio-temporal universe and in this way the cosmic cycles are eternal.

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#57157 Aug 21, 2013
typo - pipe dream

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#57158 Aug 21, 2013
typo -

The consciousness inherent in that packet of endures also endures since energy is conscious but if unlike its energy equivalent it does not get mingled with the universal stream of consciousness...

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#57159 Aug 21, 2013
ETERNAL COSMIC CYCLES:

Manifest conscious energy vibrates at a specific frequency but with the dissolution of the universal material form, the universal conscious energy would vibrate at a much higher rate and so its 4-dimensional character would gave way to a higher dimensional reality and in this way the 4-dimensional universe would disappear from view and the conscious energy constituting it would by virtue of it vibrating a higher frequency enter a higher dimensional state. When the rate of vibration reduces and matches that of a 4-dimensional framework, the conscious energy would once again manifest as a 4-dimenional spatio-temporal universe and in this way the cosmic cycles are eternal.

“Act Interdimensional ly”

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#57160 Aug 21, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
ETERNAL COSMIC CYCLES:
Manifest conscious energy vibrates at a specific frequency but with the dissolution of the universal material form, the universal conscious energy would vibrate at a much higher rate and so its 4-dimensional character would gave way to a higher dimensional reality and in this way the 4-dimensional universe would disappear from view and the conscious energy constituting it would by virtue of it vibrating a higher frequency enter a higher dimensional state. When the rate of vibration reduces and matches that of a 4-dimensional framework, the conscious energy would once again manifest as a 4-dimenional spatio-temporal universe and in this way the cosmic cycles are eternal.
Gibberish.
Eric

Villa Park, IL

#57161 Aug 21, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Your problem is your FAILURE to understand that during the lifetime of any person his or her beliefs will change many times. However his or her BIOLOGY NEVER changes, it is CONSTANT.
Tell me Eric, was the COVENANT to the land of Israel made to Abraham and Israel based on BELIEFS or was it based on BIOLOGY or SEED of ABRAHAM?
What Frijoles says, supra

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#57162 Aug 21, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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Gibberish.
You mean that creation from nothing - of the universe being created from nothing - engineered by an anthropopathic being as taught by the sick Tanach is GIBBERISH, right?

Yes, creation from nothing is nonsense.

LMAO.

Physics has come to the same conclusion as yoga that the cosmic cycles are eternal and that for instance the present universe is a formation of a previously dissolved universe.

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#57163 Aug 21, 2013
HUGH,

A-level scholar,

Here's a Grade 7 physics question for you:

Amar, Javed and Rita were riding in a bus that was moving with a high velocity on a highway when a bug hit the windshield and its dead body got stuck on the windscreen. Amar and Javed began discussing the situation. Amar suggested that the change in momentum of the bug was much greater than that of the bus. After all, argued Amar, there was no noticeable change in the velocity of the bus compared to the obvious change in the velocity of the bug. Javed opined that since the bus was moving with a larger velocity, so it exerted a larger force on the bug as a result of which it died. Rita disagreed entirely, arguing that both the bug and bus experienced the same force and same change in their momentum.

Who do you agree with? Support your answer.

(smiles)

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#57164 Aug 21, 2013
When we reason out purely in terms of matter or by referring to blind forces of energy that function randomly or by chance, we call this kind of reasoning scientific reasoning. It has its rightful place in the cosmic scheme but it is mostly of a low, limited and vulgar kind. However, when we reason out anything in terms of conscious energy and its condensate, matter, then we move higher up the scale of reasoning and get a deeper and a more comprehensive and a truer view of the reality.

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#57166 Aug 21, 2013
A person may have frequent mystical experiences, be highly intellectual, be well-educated, have terrific good looks and have loads of money but if there's no one to love him and care for him be sure sooner or later an emotional disturbance or a psychological imbalance sets in and destroys him. This aside, if he's targeted by the malevolent vital beings or by sorcerers who've let loose on him the adverse forces then his life becomes hell unless he finds a higher power to vanquish the troubles and silence or chase away the trouble-makers.

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#57167 Aug 21, 2013
You may be just and follow every rule to its logical conclusion but if there's no mercy in you then you're nothing but a heartless automaton run by rigid/narrow logic and inhuman propensities and if this ruthless model based on the philosophy of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is followed by a nation or by a community then a perverse totalitarian regime sets in that ruins the people and spreads its toxin far and wide. Nature and soul weep.

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#57168 Aug 21, 2013
The totalitarian regime is wiped out after a time by the laws of universal causation that functions according to a higher logic.

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#57169 Aug 21, 2013
Mercy is above justice!

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#57170 Aug 21, 2013
Punishment should always be reformative, never damaging and avengeful!

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