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#53353 May 27, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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Formal history taught in academic institutions invariably deals with highly selective phases of human history and here too the conclusions drawn are, on many occasions, based on the most flimsy scraps of evidence and then they build up a tall hypothesis, make misleading surmises or digress a lot from the actual event. It's a highly incomplete subject like any other.
Thank you for your opinion.

Watch your step. I would hate to see you fall off the end of the earth as well.

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#53354 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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He is trying to make the claim that modern day historians accept Biblical History as truth.
By Bible do you mean NT or the Tanakh?

Whatever, much of the narratives in both books is historical and we often read about new archeological finds that corroborate its claims - nations, important people, customary practices, tombs, etc, have been verified by archeological evidence.

Noted historians like Sir William Ramsay, historian A N Sherwin and others accept large parts of biblical history as true.

The metaphysical aspects cannot be verified.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53355 May 27, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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LOL.
I don't want your bottom or any other part of your body.
You can share your bottom with Former and Frijoles. I guess they'd be interested.
HughBe --- Best regards, sweetie and much love from my bottom, of my heart.

Joel----LOL. I don't want your bottom or any other part of your body.

Hugh--- I believe anything that you say, dear.

Joel----You can share your bottom with Former and Frijoles. I guess they'd be interested.

HughBe--- No guessing needed, they have hungered and thirsted for the black hole.

Recall both are scientists and both are masturbators meaning they have masters degrees.

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#53356 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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He is doing that by relaxing the standards of truth but pretending that the discipline of History is just another type of Literature studies, instead of being a discipline in its own right.
Analytical methods apply to both fields of study - Lit and History - and language as a medium of thought and communication is common to both.

So, there are overlaps.

Anyway, in order to understand the civilizations mentioned in the bible, one first needs to read it like a story or a literary piece of work before attempting to verify any of its claims referring to places, personalities, monuments, tombs, customs, etc.

So, I don't see much of a contradiction.

When I studied Shakespeare in school as part of English Lit, we read through most of his important works and analyzed them through the lens of language appreciation but later we also made a study of the history found in it as part of the English Literature project. Julius Cesar is one such example.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53357 May 27, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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I was under the impression that you simply adored your size - all 14" of it - and that you were proud of your jet-black skin.
Correct me, if I'm wrong.
(smiles)
Joel-- Do you regularly go to a salon for a dick-cure ...

HughBe--- Would that be a cure for size or colour?

Joel---I was under the impression that you simply adored your size - all 14" of it - and that you were proud of your jet-black skin.

Hugh--- size could be increased but the colour would never be changed. I adore my colour and that is no BS. Truthfully, I would rank black and brown to be optimum colours with others coming after.

Joel---Correct me, if I'm wrong.

Hugh-- see above.

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#53358 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Thank you for your opinion.

Watch your step. I would hate to see you fall off the end of the earth as well.
You're stupid if you think that the history taught in schools and universities is 100 % correct and complete. LOL.

"There are many more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

- William Shakespeare, "Hamlet", Act 1 scene 5.

I doubt if you've studied Shakespeare in school or elsewhere considering the poor command over English (vocab, presentation and grammar) that you have.

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#53359 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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If you continue to read him, he is claiming that since the Bible claims many people witnessed a particular event, it HAD to be true - ignoring the application of universally acceptable Historical methods of investigation within the discipline which would assert OTHERWISE.
So, historians would need video or photographic or minutes-of-the -meeting kind of evidence to believe the eye-witness accounts of a particular ancient event. LOL.

You're stupid.

Eye-witness accounts may be true and can be labelled subjective evidence.

Even in this hi tech age many of us are direct witness to many intriguing, funny, sporting, aesthetic, political, family or paranormal events that are not written about or not recorded on cam or photographed.

The principle is important not the details or the way it is explained. For example, most scientists claim that insentient matter is capable of manifesting sentience, or that an entity of lower information content is capable of giving rise to an entity characterized by a higher degree of information content or that random movements can produce order and so on. These airy claims can be dismissed outright as the innate logical principles are wrong and besides there's no proof to corroborate any of this.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53360 May 27, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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The Big O.
LOL.
Whenever I try to think about sex, a strong impulse of the higher force that's always on and/or in me obfuscates the thought and dissolves it leaving my mind blank (where the sex urge is concerned).
Whenever I begin to get the rare feeble arousal, the same impulse released by the higher force cuts off the nerve sensation and with it any inrush of blood into the blood vessels of the penis stops and I am unmoved.
I do not look at a female with lust but through the eyes of a child and through the intuitive process when I become aware of her deeper impulses and inner nature.
Where sleep is concerned, I have not slept a wink for years on end ever since the higher force transformed sleep into the yogic wakefulness at all times and I feel highly energetic, very fresh and excessively alert 24/7 unless I'm attacked by an adverse force which results in discomfort.
Anyway, the supramental transformation continues in me - I'm just at the threshold of this monumental transformation of mind, vital, body and subconscient. I have miles to go, mon.
Hugh--- I feel the weakening of the body after the explosion.

Joel--The Big O. LOL.

Hugh--- add to that the big AH

Joel---Whenever I try to think about sex, a strong impulse of the higher force that's always on and/or in me obfuscates the thought and dissolves it leaving my mind blank (where the sex urge is concerned).

Hugh--- Pity. My teenaged experiences that I mentioned were real.

Joel---Whenever I begin to get the rare feeble arousal, the same impulse released by the higher force cuts off the nerve sensation and with it any inrush of blood into the blood vessels of the penis stops and I am unmoved.

Hugh--- Given the health benefits I would seek to quash the impulses of the higher forces.

Joel---I do not look at a female with lust but through the eyes of a child and through the intuitive process when I become aware of her deeper impulses and inner nature.

Hugh--- But you are no longer a child and you are an intelligent young man. Do the things that young men do.

Joel--Where sleep is concerned, I have not slept a wink for years on end ever since the higher force transformed sleep into the yogic wakefulness at all times and I feel highly energetic, very fresh and excessively alert 24/7 unless I'm attacked by an adverse force which results in discomfort.

Hugh--- so the force is able to overcome the demands of nature in many ways not just sexual urges.

Joel---Anyway, the supramental transformation continues in me - I'm just at the threshold of this monumental transformation of mind, vital, body and subconscient. I have miles to go, mon.

HughBe---- Will you be dickless after the transformation? I ask because it seems to serve no useful purpose.

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#53361 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Joel - You can share your bottom with Former and Frijoles. I guess they'd be interested.

HughBe - No guessing needed, they have hungered and thirsted for the black hole.
LOL.

They're after young boys.

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#53362 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Recall both are scientists and both are masturbators meaning they have masters degrees.
LOL.

Yes, but they have poor logical skills and lack a sound grasp of the basics in math and science without which higher studies in scientific disciplines cannot be undertaken and if undertaken it would be a sham. Besides, they've got their degrees from ordinary and nondescript colleges/universities where the academic and intellectual standards are inferior. All this is clearly evident in them.

Anyway.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53363 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Your off on private definitions AGAIN.
The rest of the world does not use that definition.
We are seeing a pattern here. Its hard to communicate with someone who makes up their own definitions. Whether we are talking about Judaism or Literature.
HughBe--- Here is HughBe's system. Literature is any book, article etc. on a subject including poems, science and history.

Frijoles---Your off on private definitions AGAIN.

HughBe-- Even if you are correct, my definition remains RIGHT and that is what is important.

Frijoles---The rest of the world does not use that definition.

HughBe--- My kind have always experienced opposition and have NEVER been a part of idiotic traditions.

So when your peer review was done and it was concluded by your peers that the earth was flat my kind said BS.

In essence it takes time for the rest of the world to catch up to and to understand TRUTH and REALITY.

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#53364 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Hugh--- so the force is able to overcome the demands of nature in many ways not just sexual urges.
Yes, the supramental transformation has the capacity to dissolve all the ordinary movements of nature and being.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53365 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Maybe in Jamaica but not in any American University.
Good enough for Harvard and Yale, good enough for me
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/home/content/schoo...
http://yale.edu/departments/
HughBe --While I appreciate your quote from the AUTHORITATIVE source i.e. wikipedia I am once again telling you that among the properly educated history is regarded as LITERATURE.

Frijoles---Maybe in Jamaica but not in any American University.

Good enough for Harvard and Yale, good enough for me

HughBe--- I would have aimed at bit higher had I been in your position of ignorance and so I would think Oxford and Cambridge.

ENGLISH language came from there and so they would have a better grasp of it than Americans.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53366 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I guess your "properly educated" in Jamaica never attended your fine universities
Where History and Lit are different departments as well
http://www.mona.uwi.edu/programmes/undergrad....
University of West Indies
What EXACTLY is your notion of properly educated?
HughBe---While I appreciate your quote from the AUTHORITATIVE source i.e. wikipedia I am once again telling you that among the properly educated history is regarded as LITERATURE.

Frijoles---I guess your "properly educated" in Jamaica never attended your fine universities

Where History and Lit are different departments as well

http://www.mona.uwi.edu/programmes/undergrad ....
University of West Indies

HughBe--- You are acquiring KNOWLEDGE but NOT the understanding.

Frijoles---What EXACTLY is your notion of properly educated?

HughBe--- Joel and so learn from him.

Joel---WHAT IS LITERATURE?

HUGH: "Literature is any book, article etc. on a subject including poems, science and history."

JOEL - CORRECT, in a broad or sweeping way.

Literature, as for instance - Books and writings published on a particular subject: "the literature on environmental epidemiology".

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#53367 May 27, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe---- Will you be dickless after the transformation? I ask because it seems to serve no useful purpose.
Complete supramentalization in anyone with the innate capacity would lead to the atrophy and subsequent replacement of the internal organs by 16 activated force centers.

Physical immortality and perfect invincibility would be other outcomes.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53368 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Yes, but you labeled Judaism as a "Faith". Any "properly educated"* Jew will tell you otherwise. Faith is a component but it is not the religion.
* I like your term - hope you dont mind me using it the way it is intended to be used.
HughBe--- No doubt in the RELIGION called Judaism FAITH is the SCIENTIFIC part or arm of the RELIGION.

Frijoles---YES..

HughBe--- Amazing. Tell me about the SCIENCE of faith in Judaism.

Frijoles--- but you labeled Judaism as a "Faith".

HughBe--- So what? Judaism is FAITH meaning a RELIGION.

Also YOU called Christianity faith.


Frijoles---Any "properly educated"* Jew will tell you otherwise. Faith is a component but it is not the religion.

HughBe--- Such BS. It is clear to me that in your world you are very educated and that is why YOU do not know that FAITH means RELIGION.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53369 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Judaism is a tribal religion. It is only intended for a group of people. Its tied to a homeland, has a special language, and its own sacred history. Jews call themselves "a people". And there are patterns of descent that depend on lineaty.
These are all characteristics of tribal religions, cross--culturally. If you have further questions about this fact, consult your nearest anthropologist.(You know, the ones in the ANTHROPOLOGY DEPARTMENT, not the Lit department)
HughBe--- Judaism is a RELIGION it is NOT a TRIBE and it has NEVER been a TRIBE. There are no TRIBES called Judaism.

Frijoles---Judaism is a tribal religion.

HughBe--- Let me explain your words to YOU. Being a TRIBAL religion does NOT make it a TRIBE, Einstein. It means that the religion BELONGS to the TRIBE.

HughBe---Explain the nation of Israel concept that you speak of.

Frijoles--- It is only intended for a group of people.

HughBe--- Noted. Support.

Frijoles---Its tied to a homeland, has a special language, and its own sacred history.

HughBe--- So what? What language is the special one that you talk of? Is French special? How many languages are there in the world?

How many of them are special?

Again, explain the nation of Israel concept. You have not so as yet.

Frijoles---Jews call themselves "a people".

HughBe--- So do Americans wherever they are in the world.

Frijoles---And there are patterns of descent that depend on lineaty

HughBe The pattern of descent and linearity is all about RACE and NOT a religion called Judaism.

There is no descent in JUDAISM.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53370 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Because I see it as LITERATURE, not HISTORY
I do celebrate Purim
GO back and read the posts between FR and I about how just because something is literature, it still can have meaning.
Furthermore, I know you have been "properly educated" but I recommend you read what the other properly educated anthropologists have to say on this matter as well.
http://www.colorado.edu/ReligiousStudies/cher...
RELIGION AS A CULTURAL SYSTEM:
THE THEORY OF CLIFFORD GEERTZ
Frijoles-- personally I dont accept that megillah(Esther) as history.

HughBe--- List the reasons why that is so.

Frijoles---Because I see it as LITERATURE, not HISTORY

HughBe--- So, you see it as literature and in your IGNORANT world history is not literature. I see.

HughBe---Do you celebrate Purim?

Frijoles---I do celebrate Purim

HughBe---Given that the story of Esther is FICTIONAL and not HISTORICAL what justification is there for you to celebrate it?

Why do you and members of Judaism CELEBRATE a LIE.

Are the sheep told that Esther did NOT happen it is just a fable?

Your celebration makes no sense but then again very little of what you believe do.

Do you read the book of Esther online?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53371 May 27, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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we read Esther in the native Hebrew in synagogue out of a scroll
I dont bother with what you call the OT - so I am only speaking from my own experience.
Again is Esther found in Books?

Do YOU study Esther from a scroll at home?

How old is your scroll?

I made no mention of the Old Testament.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#53372 May 27, 2013
HughBe--- How did you verify that Christopher Columbus existed? Was it via time travel?
How did you verify that men went to the moon?
Did you go and examine the evidence on the moon?

Former---There are those items whose evidence I choose to accept as do most folks.

HughBe--- In other words YOU do no VERIFICATION as you previously claimed. Instead you accept by FAITH.

Former--And then there are stories devoid of evidence (like your god) that I choose to reject.

HughBe--- Give me YOUR evidence for space travel and Columbus.

Former--To each his own my friend.

HughBe--- Correct, you put down things that you do not believe on the basis that there in no evidence and yet you embrace things without evidence perhaps because it makes you feel special.

HughBe--- Here is HughBe's system. Literature is any book, article etc. on a subject including poems, science and history.

Former---You are using a different definition of the word.

HughBe--- At least not all over there are idiots. I am using A wider definition and not a limited one.

Former---Yes broadly speaking, literature can refer to material on most any subject.

HughBe--- Your man Friggie has not yet learnt this widely known thing among teenagers here.

Former---I was using the library/Dewey Decimal definition. We were all raised on that system here in the US.(Not the Huggybear system..)

HughBe--- All should seek to improve. I have given you the better system. Use it.

HughBe---Master in Science degree.
Healthcare-related.

HughBe--- So, are you a Grind-ae-cologist?

Former--Family practice, all ages, all areas.

HughBe--- Good. Shy away from the rear areas in your practice, please.

HughBe --In Jamaica it would be in the RELIGIOUS section. Does that tell you that religion is FICTION?

HughBe--- But is religion FICTION? The rituals etc. that are performed in churches, synagogues and mosques are they REAL or FICTIONAL?

Former--if you look at the definition of religion:

"(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices"

It sounds more like personal philosophy than anything else.

HughBe--- It has PRACTICE as well.

Former---Not so much about facts or reality.

HughBe--- The things DONE are REAL. They are NOT philosophy.

Former--I believe you're thinking of the writer of the James Bond stories who had a home there as well if I'm not mistaken. Ian Fleming.

HughBe--- I did not need wiki, you are correct and I made a mistake. I know both names.

Former---So you are not infallible.

HughBe--- Mere man and yet a god among men.

Former--How refreshing.

HughBe--- agree.

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