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May 26, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
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"8) If nationality is not race/genetic based then nationality is a superfluous factor and in such a case a person may describe himself as a Jewish Indian, Muslim Indian or Hindu Indian provided he puts his faith above nation.."
Exactly the case.
Now the question gets more interesting, or perhaps needless complicated if one now poses the question what is the difference between a Muslim Indian and an Indian Muslim?
And by the way, there are Jewish Indians. Ever watch Blazing Saddles?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =jsj4s9z-EAEXX
"The sheriff is a n----r!"

Funny stuff!
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May 26, 2013
 
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
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You want my dick?
In a future post, I'll narrate how the sex urge is sublimated and dissolved - in fact, just yesterday I experienced the dissolution of the sex urge when I tried to raise it up hoping that it would result in graphic sexual thoughts and a solid erection. the attempt failed as there occurred an instant reaction from the higher force. I'll reveal the details later and you'll be amazed how effective the higher force is in quelling the sexual urge.
HughBe---OF :D

Joel---You want my dick?

HughBe--- NO. It would be of no use to me as I neither eat hamburger nor am I designed to utilize it in any way.

Joel---In a future post, I'll narrate how the sex urge is sublimated and dissolved

Hugh--- I await it.

Joel--- in fact, just yesterday I experienced the dissolution of the sex urge when I tried to raise it up hoping that it would result in graphic sexual thoughts AND a solid erection.

Hugh--- I wish to extend my sympathies and regrets in your TWO failures. Try Cialis.

Joel-- I'll reveal the details later and you'll be amazed how effective the higher force is in quelling the sexual urge.

HughBe--- Get rid of the higher force. SEX urge is NATURAL and it should not be quelled it should be controlled but not quelled.

So, STOP trying to KILL nature. I speak seriously, as a teenager I used to do the same BS with the misguided belief that men don't readily get erections. My problem was that I would had erections for most of the day without thinking about anything sexual.

It was embarrassing. Back then I prayed for the "higher force" to quell the erection nowadays I pray for the"higher force" to restore the vitality.

I am NOT impotent but gone are those days when taking a stroll and looking at nature would result in an erection.
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May 26, 2013
 
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That's sheer hypocrisy on your part of omitting the old part out of your analysis.
The ancient archetypes as well as the modern proponents of Judaism are, well, to put it mildly, perverse with there being nothing original, profound or spiritually uplifting about them...
HughBe---I am NOT talking about ANCIENT writings I am talking about things said and done in OUR lifetime.

Joel--That's sheer hypocrisy on your part of omitting the old part out of your analysis.

HughBe--- Your approach is certainly one way but not the only one. My point is that one does NOT need to go back to ancient times to see the features mentioned as they are occurring right now in MODERN times.
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May 26, 2013
 
Former---Most of life is lived in the gray areas.

HughBe-- Why is that so? Do you HATE the BLACK?

Former--???

HughBe--- Make another attempt at answering the TWO questions, please.

Former--Much of literature contains elements of history, psychology, sociology, politics, philosophy, theology, commentary, fantasy, and yes, reality.

HughBe-- Noted, now answer the question. Is Esther a book of HISTORY or FICTION? Tell me the fictional aspects of Esther.

Former--I do not know, but then again, neither do you.

HughBe--- I know that the book or as Anus calls it Scroll of Esther is a HISTORICAL document.

Also since you don't know, why choose the option of FAIRY TALES?



Former--It is for the individual to evaluate that which speaks to him and what message he wishes to take from any creative work of art.

HughBe--- Past events are past and it matters not what kind of message or impact it has on the reader those things cannot change the FACTS or history.

Former--Regarding history, I agree.
I was speaking of literature.

HughBe--- So in the US and Ireland history books would not be considered as a part of literature?

Here in Jamaica we would include history as a part of LITERATURE.

Former---So, the answer to your question above is: It is whatever you make of it.

HughBe--- Pure CS and YOU know it.

Former--Really? Then explain why some choose to believe and others do not.

HughBe--- you love the sound of my voice and that is one reason for the request for repetition. The explanation is simple, it is a matter of CREDIBILITY and the way the material is presented.

Take for example, Aesop writings they are regarded as FICTION by me.

How do you regard them?

HughBe---When you went (to the library) did you find HISTORY books in the FICTIONAL section? Is that how it is done in America?
In what section would one find your bible and other holy books?

Hint: Not History!

HughBe--- Do you ever make an attempt at answering questions? How did you manage in school?

Seriously, what area are you trained in and to what level?

In Jamaica it would be in the RELIGIOUS section. Does that tell you that religion is FICTION?

Where would you find a BIOLOGY book?


Former---How about,'My Wicked, Wicked Life,' by Errol Flynn.

HughBe--- No doubt you read it as like attracts like in your world. I have never read it or heard about it.

Former--Flynn was a famous American actor who once had a home in Jamaica:

HughBe--- I know of the man and his 007 exploits.

Former--Flynn .. also popularised trips down rivers on bamboo rafts.[35]

HughBe--- When are you coming for your bamboo ride, on the river?
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May 26, 2013
 
Former---I smell a trap....

HughBe--- That is positive as it means that you have gained intelligence.

Former--Thank you. I'm gratified.

HughBe-- You're welcome.

HughBe--- So Irish people are ethno-religious as they have an ethnicity and religion.

Former--No. Not that simple.

HughBe--- Please provide DETAIL explanations.

Former--We all have an ethnicity

HughBe--- Really?

Former---and a history of SOME SORT OF RELIGION if you look back far enough on the family tree.

HughBe--- explain your "some sort of religion". Is that truly the way to describe how your forfathers viewed their religion? Are you on drugs, not thinking Viagra?

Former--That doesn't make us all ethnoreligious.

HughBe--- I see. Tell me or LIST all the ingredients to be ethno-religious. SPECIFY the criteria.

Former--The Irish are not included:

Examples of ethnic groups defined by ancestral religions are the Jews,

HughBe--- Noted. Tell me what the Jews have that make them ethno-religious that the Irish do not have.

Ok, MR. Atheist, my boy.
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May 26, 2013
 
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That you reject a concept from the field of logic does not surprise me.
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But how do you explain that we don't have religion for those who believe in the moon landing? vs those (moon atheists) who don't?
It seems more or less generally accepted.(Except by ATF and his friends...)
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Now you are attempting to use reason to validate your beliefs.
Why do you go down this road rather than simply say you are accepting the story on faith? I would respect that more.
We also don't have a religion of Civil War believers, nor have I ever heard of any Civil War deniers. ATF??
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"These people?"
I'll call it faith.
You should be ok with that too.
Former--Please explain your "millions of eyewitenesses."

HughBe--- Those who lived at the time of Esther. Those who came out of Egypt. Those who lived during the reigns of the various kings etc.

Former---How do you know this?

HughBe--- From the HISTORY of a people that are stiffnecked. Based on my knowledge of them today I am far more confident in the RELIABILITY of their history in the bible than in believing that men have been to the moon.

Former--But how do you explain that we don't have religion for those who believe in the moon landing? vs those (moon atheists) who don't?

HughBe--- It was all the efforts of men.

Former--It seems more or less generally accepted.(Except by ATF and his friends...)

HughBe--- Same for the bible. Your species/ATHEISTS are a minority in the WORLD. This is also GENERALLY known. The irony is that your types/ATHEISTS are found in great numbers among Jews the so called RELIGIOUS people.

HughBe --These people(Jews) would NEVER record negatives things about their history, if they were NOT TRUE.Trust me on that.
Bet your life on it. It is far more certain and accurate than the occurrence and reporting of the Civil war in America.

Former--Now you are attempting to use reason to validate your beliefs.

HughBe-- It is a nasty habit that I have of using GOOD judgment or good sense in dealing with life. Follow me.

Former--Why do you go down this road rather than simply say you are accepting the story on faith? I would respect that more.

HughBe--- I am not seeking respect I am seeking to be logical, fair and honest even if such an approach is disrespected.

Former--We also don't have a religion of Civil War believers, nor have I ever heard of any Civil War deniers. ATF??

HughBe--- It tells me that YOU are ALL a people of FAITH as NOT one of you were eyewitnesses and reply on the reports of others.

HughBe --These people and I think of the religious ones are far more likely to TWIST history than to record the TRUTH and they certainly will not lightly record the NEGATIVES as contained in the bible.
Negatives e.g. DAYS after the exodus they went into IDOLATRY. Take it from me, it HAPPENED.

Former--"These people?"

HughBe--- CONTEXT.

Former--I'll call it faith.

HughBe--- I call my words immediately above your THESE PEOPLE as FACTS and not FAITH.

Former--You should be ok with that too.

HughBe--- More CS.
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There is no such thing as a tribal Christian people.
Christianity is a faith, not a tribe.
Frijoles---There is no such thing as a tribal Christian people.

Christianity is a faith, not a tribe.

HughBe--- Please explain your point.

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HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles---There is no such thing as a tribal Christian people.
Christianity is a faith, not a tribe.
HughBe--- Please explain your point.
Even better, why dont you get a brain

not wasting any more time on this

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HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- So in the US and Ireland history books would not be considered as a part of literature?
Here in Jamaica we would include history as a part of LITERATURE.
Literature is separate from History here in the States. History is an established discipline, with methods and peer review.

I think your educational system has some issues.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_academic...

Contents [hide]
1 Overview
2 Humanities
2.1 History
2.2 Linguistics
2.3 Literature
2.4 Performing arts
2.5 Philosophy
2.6 Religion
2.7 Visual arts
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Frijoles wrote:
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Even better, why dont you get a brain
not wasting any more time on this
Frijoles---There is no such thing as a tribal Christian people.
Christianity is a faith, not a tribe.

HughBe--- Please explain your point.

Frijoles---Even better, why dont you get a brain

not wasting any more time on this

HughBe---Ok, dear and FYI the word TRIBAL has to do with RACE and NOT religion.

Finally and for your information, JUDAISM" is a faith, not a tribe"

JEWS are a TRIBE a RACIAL group.
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Frijoles wrote:
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Literature is separate from History here in the States. History is an established discipline, with methods and peer review.
I think your educational system has some issues.
HughBe--- So in the US and Ireland history books would not be considered as a part of literature?
Here in Jamaica we would include history as a part of LITERATURE.

Frijoles--Literature is separate from History here in the States. History is an established discipline, with methods and peer review.

I think your educational system has some issues.

HughBe--- You should have consulted with better educated persons before you opened your mouth and talk BS.

Your educational system is lacking. Again among those who are better educated and those who know, history is regarded as a part of LITERATURE.
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May 26, 2013
 

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HughBe--- You should have consulted with better educated persons before you opened your mouth and talk BS.
Your educational system is lacking. Again among those who are better educated and those who know, history is regarded as a part of LITERATURE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_academic...

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1 Overview
2 Humanities
2.1 History
2.2 Linguistics
2.3 Literature
2.4 Performing arts
2.5 Philosophy
2.6 Religion
2.7 Visual arts

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Frijoles---There is no such thing as a tribal Christian people.
Christianity is a faith, not a tribe.
HughBe--- Please explain your point.
Frijoles---Even better, why dont you get a brain
not wasting any more time on this
HughBe---Ok, dear and FYI the word TRIBAL has to do with RACE and NOT religion.
Finally and for your information, JUDAISM" is a faith, not a tribe"
JEWS are a TRIBE a RACIAL group.
Wrong again. Not suprised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith#Judaism

Judaism [edit]
Main article: Jewish principles of faith

Faith itself is not a religious concept in Judaism.

Although Judaism does recognize the positive value of Emunah[15](generally translated as faith, trust in God) and the negative status of the Apikorus (heretic), faith is not as stressed or as central as it is in other religions, especially compared with Christianity and Islam. It could be a necessary means for being a practicing religious Jew, but the emphasis is placed on practice rather than on faith itself. Very rarely does it relate to any teaching that must be believed.[16] Classical Judaism does not require one to explicitly identify God (a key tenet of faith in Christianity), but rather to honour the idea of God.

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Finally and for your information, JUDAISM" is a faith, not a tribe"
JEWS are a TRIBE a RACIAL group.
Judaism is tribal in the sense that it believes that the specific laws of Judaism are meant only for the nation of Israel.
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former res wrote:
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This is not correct.
If, for example, I was imprisoned for not paying my taxes - it would not be for my beliefs (or lack thereof), it would be for failure to pay my taxes, aka, tax evasion.
The gov't wants its money. Our laws are much more concerned with how we act than how we think or believe.
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No it wouldn't.
But I'm not sure what your point is.
If you can remember, feel free to reiterate.
The point is that you have blind faith in government without any facts that any of the laws including tax laws apply to you.
And you say that you follow the dictates to stay out of a cage.
The question was , if the church put you in a cage if you didn't pay them and follow their commandments , would that make the church as legitimate as government to you?
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Frijoles wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_academic...
Contents [hide]
1 Overview
2 Humanities
2.1 History
2.2 Linguistics
2.3 Literature
2.4 Performing arts
2.5 Philosophy
2.6 Religion
2.7 Visual arts
While I appreciate your quote from the AUTHORITATIVE source i.e. wikipedia I am once again telling you that among the properly educated history is regarded as LITERATURE.
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Wrong again. Not suprised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith#Judaism
Judaism [edit]
Main article: Jewish principles of faith
Faith itself is not a religious concept in Judaism.
Although Judaism does recognize the positive value of Emunah[15](generally translated as faith, trust in God) and the negative status of the Apikorus (heretic), faith is not as stressed or as central as it is in other religions, especially compared with Christianity and Islam. It could be a necessary means for being a practicing religious Jew, but the emphasis is placed on practice rather than on faith itself. Very rarely does it relate to any teaching that must be believed.[16] Classical Judaism does not require one to explicitly identify God (a key tenet of faith in Christianity), but rather to honour the idea of God.
HughBe--- TRIBAL has to do with RACE and NOT religion.

JUDAISM" is a faith, not a tribe"

JEWS are a TRIBE a RACIAL group.

Frijoles, the IDIOT---Wrong again. Not suprised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith#Judaism

HughBe--- The DECEIVER then quotes wikipedia.

Question, in your religion of DECEPTION called Judaism are you taught by your DECEIVING DUMB rabbis that Judaism is a TRIBE?

Frijoles---Judaism [edit]
Main article: Jewish principles of faith

Faith itself is NOT a religious concept in Judaism.

HughBe--- No doubt in the RELIGION called Judaism FAITH is the SCIENTIFIC part or arm of the RELIGION.

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Judaism is tribal in the sense that it believes that the specific laws of Judaism are meant only for the nation of Israel.
Another lesson for the day but first I have noted your qualification of Judaism i.e. "is tribal in the sense".

Lesson, Judaism is a RELIGION it is NOT a TRIBE and it has NEVER been a TRIBE. There are no TRIBES called Judaism.

Explain the nation of Israel concept that you speak of.

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