Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

There are 71944 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 21, 2008, titled Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel. In it, Newsday reports that:

Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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former res

Cheshire, CT

#52851 May 20, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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What am I getting that I am not paying for?
You said you had no problem with the services, just the taxes.

What you were you referring to?

Roads, libraries, TSA, air traffic control, food/meat inspection, education, police protection, fire protection, sanitation (trash pickup), water/sewer, your mom's social security/medicare, military forces, you tell me...
Voluntarist

United States

#52852 May 20, 2013
former res wrote:
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Seems you're basically giving up.
I accept your unconditional surrender as you have
stopped responding to the questions and the issue.
You asked who builds and maintains buildings, human beings do is there another answer you are looking for?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52853 May 20, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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What am I getting that I am not paying for?
But if you don't recognize the authority of the US gov't why would you pay taxes? But I'm sure you do anyway.

Out of pragmatism, correct?

I'm asking you why you pay taxes..
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52854 May 20, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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That's really funny the burden of proof on the defense, in Connecticut the rules of criminal procedure apply.
Legislative intent is for identification and revenue.
Where does it say the burden of proof is on the defense?

Speedtraps of for revenue too!

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52855 May 20, 2013
ATF - Still waiting for that critique of the CO2 article I posted a few days ago

I wouldnt want to think you were just posturing (i.e. blowing hot air).

And no, regurgitation of other people's generalized talking points isnt critique.

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#52856 May 20, 2013
Yawn. The dunces are online.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52857 May 20, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
Yawn. The dunces are online.
I couldnt help but notice you being trashed by Seeker on the other thread. How does it feel to be dog shit?

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#52858 May 20, 2013
(smiles grins laughs)

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#52859 May 20, 2013
The mathematically challenged dunce with zero reasoning skills and poor scientific knowledge is online. I guess the Ph.D. could be in Sociology, Hebrew, history or Zionist Studies. LOL.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52861 May 20, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
The mathematically challenged dunce with zero reasoning skills and poor scientific knowledge is online. I guess the Ph.D. could be in Sociology, Hebrew, history or Zionist Studies. LOL.
Thats real deep.

Especially coming from somebody who cant even explain basic science.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52866 May 20, 2013
Consciousness - does it exist or not exist?

Come on Joel - bore us with more nonsense on this issue
Voluntarist

United States

#52867 May 20, 2013
former res wrote:
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You said you had no problem with the services, just the taxes.
What you were you referring to?
Roads, libraries, TSA, air traffic control, food/meat inspection, education, police protection, fire protection, sanitation (trash pickup), water/sewer, your mom's social security/medicare, military forces, you tell me...
No I have a problem with the gun that is used.
Voluntarist

United States

#52868 May 20, 2013
former res wrote:
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Where does it say the burden of proof is on the defense?
Speedtraps of for revenue too!
Your own post;

A successful prima facie defense is rare. Not only does the burden of
proof rest upon the accused, a successful defense may involve
expenses well in excess of the cost of a ticket, such as an expert
witness. Furthermore, because prima facie defenses must be presented
in a court, such a defense is difficult for out of town motorists

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#52869 May 20, 2013
Muhammad is what is called in yogic parlance a VIBHUTEE, a chosen vehicle of his lord, Allah, who would send out various force emanations and/or direct one of the supraphysical beings under its command (example - this so-called Jibreel) to convey messages to Muhammad.

El or Allah is a demonic being of the cosmic vital plane.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#52872 May 20, 2013
former res wrote:
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I don't let it get to that point.
Do you not speed in your car due to force?
Or to keep from getting a ticket and increased insurance premiums?
Voluntarist---No, former has admitted that he pays taxes by force.

Former---Do you not speed in your car due to force?

HughBe--- At times YES and at other times out of common sense and a sense of selfpreservation.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#52873 May 20, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Hughbe
Do you vote?
yes

Since: May 13

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#52874 May 20, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Consciousness - does it exist or not exist?
ROFL, Papa.

How can consciousness ever be reduced to zero?

The Absolute Consciousness with its Energy counterpart forms the supracosmic and cosmic planes - this is the existence aspect of the manifested Absolute Consciousness and besides the psychic in this poise is aware of the cosmic and supracosmic planes.

But, when the individualized psychic turns on itself and goes within, it fails to take note of the cosmic and supracosmic planes and is completely involved only in its own field. The rest of the manifestation is blotted out for the involved psychic except its own psychic dimension This is the non-existence aspect of the manifested Absolute Consciousness.

Obviously, the Absolute Consciousness is beyond both these modes as it is their source.

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#52875 May 20, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Thats real deep.

Especially coming from somebody who cant even explain basic science.
Why're you ashamed to admit that you're a dunce when it comes to math and scientific reasoning?

Your lack of aptitude and zero proficiency in math and scientific reasoning are so evident.

Your forte lies in scriptural studies, Zionism, politics, history and other soft subjects.

Soft brains do well in soft subjects.

That's the way you are.

Peace.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#52876 May 20, 2013
former res wrote:
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Christians consider Sunday to be the Sabbath.
Do you believe JC was your savior?
Do you believe in the trinity?
I think you're saying you have Jewish blood in you. But not religiously Jewish. OK - I understand.
We did cover all this. You deny the ethnoreligious nature of Jews. Not sure why. Why?
This concept is widely known and accepted.
Former---Christians consider Sunday to be the Sabbath.

HughBe--- Incomplete and therefore misleading.

Former---Do you believe JC was your savior?

HughBe--- I KNOW that He is YOUR Saviour and that of ALL humanity.

Former---Do you believe in the trinity?

HughBe--- I believe in God Almighty.

Former---I think you're saying you have Jewish blood in you.

HughBe--- I am saying that HughBe has an existence because of Jews and people from the African continent.

Former--- But not religiously Jewish. OK - I understand.

HughBe--- Well I don't understand. There is no religiously Jewish in the sense that you are using it. Please pay close attention to my words which are now repeated for your benefit.

Jews are RACE. Jews are NOT religion.

Former---We did cover all this. You deny the ethnoreligious nature of Jews. Not sure why. Why?

HughBe--- Let me explain some FACTS of history for YOU and all other DECEIVED.

The people called Jews today were given the name ISRAEL by the Being they CLAIM to worship. This name ISRAEL had NOTHING to do with RELIGION. They had the IDENTITY as Israelites hundreds of years before the law was given to Moses.

The religion called Judaism came even much later and even their rabbis have said that not even MOSES would recognize the things attributed to him.

In essence the people had a "Jewish" IDENTITY that predated RELIGION for many many HUNDREDS of years. The ethnoreligious concept of Jews is really a tool to CONTROL, DOMINATE, OPPRESS the Jewish people by the rabbis. Many Many Jews REJECT God or gods.

As I have previously said, some Jews are Christians. Some Jews are into Eastern religions. Many Jews are into Judaism. Many Jews are like you and are NOT into any god or God.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#52877 May 20, 2013
former res wrote:
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"I am inclined to see it as FORCED payments that are determined by others without my input.
I am also inclined to see it as COVETOUSNESS by those who have power to take my money against my will.
In essence it is a type of extortion. "
As stated, I don't agree with this part.
Noted.

Is the following FORCE? If it is not force tell me what it is.

"if one does not pay he is subject to legal proceeding/entanglements
which would result in fines, high legal costs and possible imprisonment."

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