Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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former res

Cheshire, CT

#52326 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
<quoted text>
Do people have a right to forcefully take others property?
Can armed robbery be voted on?
I didnt vote them in.
Still no facts? or are you claiming that those are facts?
Now I see your confusion:

1. Our form of gov't is what it is. You live here, hence you are subject to the laws and the form of gov't that we have. You don't have to agree. You don't even have to understand it.(Though you are more than welcome to educate yourself accordingly. In fact we encourage it.)

2. Once the tax laws are passed and establish that the tax is due to the gov't, it is owed and no longer your property, hence the taking of it is not theft. It is claiming that which is due. Not unlike a debt. I assume you like to pay your debts outstanding on a timely basis.

An other questions? Feel free.
Bongo

Bayport, NY

#52327 May 13, 2013
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: or like klinger, trying to not be recognized by the us army, either in the nude or with a dress on.
but in the army i did learn from another, you don't try to get out. by not being recognized in the army. by putting a bullet in your foot, with an m60 machine gun. without considering, your finger might just freeze from pain at the first round.
walking point who in the hell, can be afraid of an enemy. with all that, freindly fire behind you.
don't believe them, when they say they always let the point man go by. before they, pop an ambush.
or what happens when you spot the ambush, and then have both sides shooting at you. and artillery or napalm, does not read unit insignias first before detonation.
hey porky, you probably know krav maga too?
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52328 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Now I see your confusion:
1. Our form of gov't is what it is. You live here, hence you are subject to the laws and the form of gov't that we have. You don't have to agree. You don't even have to understand it.(Though you are more than welcome to educate yourself accordingly. In fact we encourage it.)
2. Once the tax laws are passed and establish that the tax is due to the gov't, it is owed and no longer your property, hence the taking of it is not theft. It is claiming that which is due. Not unlike a debt. I assume you like to pay your debts outstanding on a timely basis.
An other questions? Feel free.
.And those facts that you rely on that acts of congress are applicable to me?

And if a church congregation in your neighborhood gets together and decides that you owe a tax because you live in their district it is justified even if they take your property by force, according to your logic.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52329 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Now I see your confusion:
1. Our form of gov't is what it is. You live here, hence you are subject to the laws and the form of gov't that we have. You don't have to agree. You don't even have to understand it.(Though you are more than welcome to educate yourself accordingly. In fact we encourage it.)
2. Once the tax laws are passed and establish that the tax is due to the gov't, it is owed and no longer your property, hence the taking of it is not theft. It is claiming that which is due. Not unlike a debt. I assume you like to pay your debts outstanding on a timely basis.
An other questions? Feel free.
Umm no

But that same constitution states that persons or property shall not be seized absent a warrant.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52330 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you referring to taxation?
If you have any morals you would agree that whether it is a group of people or individuals that conspire to strip you of your property , its wrong.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52331 May 13, 2013
In 2009 Constantijn wrote a RAND technical paper, stating that the
EU and a few elite nations should take the lead role in deciding a
global governance structure for internet regulation and developing
technologies. In the paper titled Trends in connectivity
technologies and their socioeconomic impacts , the prince
envisions a global coordination role for the EU:
“(…) both policy issues and effective responses must be defined at
a global level; to influence the solution a global coordination and
‘enlightened leadership’ is required.” and “policy issues, not
always solutions, will be defined at a global level. Those few
countries or regional blocks like the EU where these technologies
are already at an advanced stage may take a more or less
enlightened lead role.”

http://m.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/techn...

David Rockefeller
We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York
Times, Time Magazine and their great publications
whose directors have attended our meetings and
respected their promises of discretion for almost forty
years. It would have been impossible for us to develop
our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of
publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated
and prepared to march towards a world government. The
supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is
surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past
centuries.
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote/david_roc...

Al Gore
Climate bill will help bring about global
governance....But it is the awareness itself that will
drive the change and one of the ways it will drive the
change is through global governance and global
agreements.
http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/al... -
change-issue-can-lead-to-world -government/
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52332 May 13, 2013
Barack Hussein Obama
All nations must come together to build a stronger
global regime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch ?
v=XKb2TBUqpCQ&feature=play er_embedded

rench President Chirac
said during a speech at The Hague that the UN’s Kyoto
Protocol represented “the first component of an
authentic global governance. For the first time,
humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global
governance.”
http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/al... -
change-issue-can-lead-to-world -government/

Strobe Talbott
Deputy Secretary of State under Bill Clinton
In the next century (now), nations as we know it will be
obsolete; all states will recognize a single global
authority and realize national sovereignty wasn’t such a
great deal after all.
http://www.worldbeyondborders.org/globalnatio...
Mikhail Gorbachev
Further global progress is now possible only through a
quest for universal consensus in the movement towards
a new world order.
http://www.lafayette.edu/about/news/2011/10/2...
mikhail-gorbachev-says-uprisin gs-signal-an-emerging-
new-world-order/

Nelson Mandela
The new world order that is in the making must focus on
the creation of a world democracy, peace and prosperity
for all.
http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/assembly/or-mand.h...
George McGovern
I would support a presidential candidate who pledged to
take the following steps… at the end of the war in the
Persian Gulf, press for a comprehensive Middle East
settlement and for a new world order based not upon a
Pax Americana, but on peace through law with a
stronger U.N. and World Court.
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote/george_mc...
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52333 May 13, 2013
Robert Mueller
Humanist and Former Assistant Attorney General of
U.N.
We must move as quickly as possible to a one-world
government, one-world religion, under a one-world
leader.
http://www.ukapologetics.net/08/oneworldchurc...
Pope John Paul II
More than ever, we need a new international order that
draws on the experience and results achieved in these
years by the United Nations. It would be able to provide
solutions to the problems of today... based on the
dignity of human beings, an integrated development of
society, solidarity between rich and poor nations, and on the sharing
of resources and the extraordinary results of scientific and
technological progress.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jan/02/c...
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52334 May 13, 2013
Henry Kissinger
Obama primed to create "New World Order"
http://www.wnd.com/index.php ?
fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85442
Henry Kissinger
Today America would be outraged if UN troops entered
Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be
grateful. When presented with this scenario, individual
rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of
their well-being granted to them by the World
Government.
http://www.infowars.com/kissinger-calls-for-a...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#52335 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
<quoted text>
That data was wrong.
Please share your basis for this allegation. Dont forget to reference the article.

Data is not right or wrong. Thats like saying your shoe is wrong.

What you are getting at is perhaps, the interpretation of the data to fir whatever model you are investigating, or the methodologies employed at collection of data, or the analysis of the data, or the conceptualization of the data to measure what you interested in, etc etc.

You seem to be doing an unreasonable job at blowing smoke.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#52336 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
Henry Kissinger
Obama primed to create "New World Order"
http://www.wnd.com/index.php ?
fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85442
Henry Kissinger
Today America would be outraged if UN troops entered
Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be
grateful. When presented with this scenario, individual
rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of
their well-being granted to them by the World
Government.
http://www.infowars.com/kissinger-calls-for-a...
yeah thats a relevant fellow
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52337 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Please share your basis for this allegation. Dont forget to reference the article.
Data is not right or wrong. Thats like saying your shoe is wrong.
What you are getting at is perhaps, the interpretation of the data to fir whatever model you are investigating, or the methodologies employed at collection of data, or the analysis of the data, or the conceptualization of the data to measure what you interested in, etc etc.
You seem to be doing an unreasonable job at blowing smoke.
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May 13, 2013 , 9:40 a.m.
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Carbon dioxide measurements in the Earth's
atmosphere did not break the symbolic
milestone of 400 parts per million at a
Hawaiian observatory last week, according
to a revised reading from the nation's
climate observers.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration (NOAA) revised its May 9
reading at the Mauna Loa observatory in
Hawaii, saying it remained fractions of a
point below the level of 400 ppm, at 399.89.
Individual readings at any of NOAA's
observation stations are subject to revision
on a regular basis. Sometimes a data point
is moved to another set when the sets are
adjusted for the international date line.
While scientists and environmentalists have
used the daily milestone to highlight the
buildup of greenhouse gases generated by
human activities, it's the rate of rise that is
most important.
That rate, measured by the Keeling Curve,
shows atmospheric CO2 levels are rising at
unprecedented rates, driven largely by the
burning of fossil fuels over the past two
centuries. The curve, pioneered in 1958 by
scientist Charles D. Keeling, is the longest-
running tally of carbon dioxide levels in the
atmosphere and is maintained by the
Scripps Institution of Oceanography in San
Diego. Readings there hit 399.46 Saturday.
The weekly average reading at Mauna Loa
was 399.52 last week, up nearly 22 points
from a decade ago, according to the NOAA.
Many scientists have warned that carbon
dioxide readings must be brought down to
350 ppm to avoid severe climate impacts
and stall "feedback loops" that will
exacerbate the rise.
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United States

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Abolish The Fed

United States

#52340 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah thats a relevant fellow
Oh? You dont think so?
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52341 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Please share your basis for this allegation. Dont forget to reference the article.
Data is not right or wrong. Thats like saying your shoe is wrong.
What you are getting at is perhaps, the interpretation of the data to fir whatever model you are investigating, or the methodologies employed at collection of data, or the analysis of the data, or the conceptualization of the data to measure what you interested in, etc etc.
You seem to be doing an unreasonable job at blowing smoke.
So.......the data was wrong.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52342 May 13, 2013
A torando travels across the horizon on May 23, 2008, near Quinter,
Kan.
by Doyle Rice, USA TODAY
Published: 05/10/2013 10:52am
The USA in the past 12 months has seen the fewest number of
tornadoes since at least 1954, and the death tolls from the dangerous
storms have dropped dramatically since 2011.
Just two years after a ferocious series of tornado outbreaks killed
hundreds of Americans, the USA so far this year is enjoying one of the
calmest years on record for twisters. Through Thursday, tornadoes
have killed only three Americans in 2013; by the end of May 2011, 543
Americans had died.
The seven people killed from May 2012 to April 2013 is the fewest in a
12-month period since five people died in September 1899-August
1900, according to Harold Brooks, research meteorologist with the
National Severe Storms Laboratory in Norman, Okla.
The year-to-date count of tornadoes is probably approaching the lower
10% of all years on record, said Greg Carbin, warning coordination
meteorologist with the Storm Prediction Center in Norman.
The reason: An unusually cool weather pattern from the Rockies to the
East Coast. "Generally, the lower the temperature and/or the drier the
air, the lower the number of thunderstorms," said AccuWeather
meteorologist Alex Sosnowski.
Severe thunderstorms produce tornadoes, along with large hail and
high winds.
So far in May — usually the USA's most active month — only three
tornadoes have formed. All have been rated EF-0 on the Fujita scale of
tornado intensity. EF-0 is the weakest rating for tornadoes, with wind
speeds of about 65-85 mph.

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2148075
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52343 May 13, 2013
Distinguished physicist Dr. William Happer:'The
incredible list of supposed horrors that increasing
carbon dioxide will bring the world is pure belief
disguised as science'

The demonized chemical compound is a boon to plant life and has
little correlation with global temperature.
By HARRISON H. SCHMITT AND WILLIAM HAPPER
WSJ.COM 5/8/13: Of all of the world's chemical compounds, none
has a worse reputation than carbon dioxide. Thanks to the single-
minded demonization of this natural and essential atmospheric gas by
advocates of government control of energy production, the
conventional wisdom about carbon dioxide is that it is a dangerous
pollutant. That's simply not the case. Contrary to what some would
have us believe, increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will
benefit the increasing population on the planet by increasing
agricultural productivity.
The cessation of observed global warming for the past decade or so
has shown how exaggerated NASA's and most other computer
predictions of human-caused warming have been—and how little
correlation warming has with concentrations of atmospheric carbon
dioxide. As many scientists have pointed out, variations in global
temperature correlate much better with solar activity and with
complicated cycles of the oceans and atmosphere. There isn't the
slightest evidence that more carbon dioxide has caused more extreme
weather.
The current levels of carbon dioxide in the earth's atmosphere,
approaching 400 parts per million, are low by the standards of
geological and plant evolutionary history. Levels were 3,000 ppm, or
more, until the Paleogene period (beginning about 65 million years
ago). For most plants, and for the animals and humans that use
them, more carbon dioxide, far from being a "pollutant" in need of
reduction, would be a benefit. This is already widely recognized by
operators of commercial greenhouses, who artificially increase the
carbon dioxide levels to 1,000 ppm or more to improve the growth
and quality of their plants.

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rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#52344 May 13, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> hey porky, you probably know krav maga too?
rabbee: once having a black belt, i am sure i knew a variation of it's equivalent. the killing or incompacitating zones of the physical human body, does not change.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#52345 May 13, 2013
hot on the wire, ap press. found out that their phone lines, phone logs, and some 400 lan and cell phones were being easdropped by the feds. apparently the second amendment, is not the only one under their own guns.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52346 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
<quoted text>
If you have any morals you would agree that whether it is a group of people or individuals that conspire to strip you of your property , its wrong.
I think the question is: whose property is it?

We may not agree on that.

And how important are our possessions?

Life isn't really all about stuff.

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