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former res

Cheshire, CT

#52246 May 13, 2013
Huggy -

Hope you had a good Mother's Day.

I would have gotten you red roses if I could have.

xo

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52247 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
Huggy -
Hope you had a good Mother's Day.
I would have gotten you red roses if I could have.
xo
What do you think about the IRS "targeting" the Tea Party? Do you think it is ethical or not?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52248 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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What do you think about the IRS "targeting" the Tea Party? Do you think it is ethical or not?
Doesn't sound too good for the administration.

I think this thing will have legs.

The folks who are saying it's an example of tyranny are probably right.

The real test of one's convictions is supporting the freedoms of those with whom we disagree.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52249 May 13, 2013
ps...not to sound too preachy.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52250 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
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Doesn't sound too good for the administration.
I think this thing will have legs.
The folks who are saying it's an example of tyranny are probably right.
The real test of one's convictions is supporting the freedoms of those with whom we disagree.
I dont have a problem with it. Unless there is evidence that prosecution were handled any differently, which so far, there isnt.

The Tea Party is not only a political group (they run candidates) but they promote tax aversion. It would seem to me that this is exactly what the IRS should be investigating.

I dont get the backlash.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52251 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Doesn't sound too good for the administration.
I think this thing will have legs.
The folks who are saying it's an example of tyranny are probably right.
The real test of one's convictions is supporting the freedoms of those with whom we disagree.
I dont get how IRS investigation is implicitly tyrannical.

Lets look at a false equivalence that is being bandied around. Black people being pulled over by cops. That is wrong. In that situation, there is no reason to believe that black people are more guilty of a potential crime than white people, therefore profiling for the purpose of investigation is wrong.

But in the case of the Tea Party - these people are actually advocating illegal behavior. Therefore, the potential is there. Plus they are not acting as individuals, they are filing as an organization with voluntary membership. So it makes sense to profile the organization.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#52252 May 13, 2013
I didn't know the tea party groups were advocating illegal activities. Is this isolated or widespread? Are they promoting tax evasion? I never heard this.

Tax aversion (not liking taxes) and tax evasion (a federal crime) or two different things.

I also didn't hear this as a defense or justification by the IRS in response. Only that it was lower level employees. Though I haven't read a whole lot about it yet.

Hadn't heard the comparison with DWB (driving while black) issue. That sort of profiling is wrong. The kind that AL EL does is right and we should be doing the same, political correctness aside.(Those folks know how to run a relatively safe airline.) I think we agree on this.

On the face of it, though a federal gov't agency targeting groups of Americans for increased scrutiny based on their free speech/political views sounds and looks pretty bad to me.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52253 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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To show how asinine your alleged conspiracy is, at least 50% of the US population, including the current fed govt believes the Iraq war was not necessary. So,where is the conspiracy?
The argument is about the conspiracy, not necessity, anyway those things change over time (people's views).
Not quite sure about that poll because i saw one where Iraq was some how tied to 9/11.
The afgan was was unecessary as well.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52254 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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To show how asinine your alleged conspiracy is, at least 50% of the US population, including the current fed govt believes the Iraq war was not necessary. So,where is the conspiracy?
I didnt know a federal government had thoughts and feelings.

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#52255 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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The argument is about the conspiracy, not necessity, anyway those things change over time (people's views).
Not quite sure about that poll because i saw one where Iraq was some how tied to 9/11.
The afgan was was unecessary as well.
You do realize that an election was won partly over this issue?

Only a few right wingers still believe that Iraq was behind 911. And lots of people, myself included initially supported the war but still never thought for a moment that there was a 911 connection. Rather, we thought there were WMDs.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52256 May 13, 2013
Abolish The Fed wrote:
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I didnt know a federal government had thoughts and feelings.
Fed governmnent is staffed by humans.

You need to get out of your basement more often.

Anyway, I see you gave up on the CO2 article critique. Does science give you a head ache?

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#52257 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
I didn't know the tea party groups were advocating illegal activities. Is this isolated or widespread? Are they promoting tax evasion? I never heard this.
Tax aversion (not liking taxes) and tax evasion (a federal crime) or two different things.
I also didn't hear this as a defense or justification by the IRS in response. Only that it was lower level employees. Though I haven't read a whole lot about it yet.
Hadn't heard the comparison with DWB (driving while black) issue. That sort of profiling is wrong. The kind that AL EL does is right and we should be doing the same, political correctness aside.(Those folks know how to run a relatively safe airline.) I think we agree on this.
On the face of it, though a federal gov't agency targeting groups of Americans for increased scrutiny based on their free speech/political views sounds and looks pretty bad to me.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0220/Joe-St... (page)/2

The Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project counts five known domestic terrorist plots against the IRS in the past 15 years. Tensions are rising as federal tax authorities have begun stepping up collection efforts in the midst of flagging tax receipts.

"There's been an explosive growth of anti-government militias and so-called Patriot groups over the past year, and the central idea of many of them is that taxes are completely illegitimate," Intelligence Project editor Mark Potok tells Fox News.

Itís not just conservatives, either. Part of the tax resistance movement is left-wing resisters who donít want their tax money spent on foreign wars..."
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plus the fact that these groups are political parties - which I beleive is in violation of 5013c (in some way - not an expert)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#52258 May 13, 2013
former res wrote:
I didn't know the tea party groups were advocating illegal activities. Is this isolated or widespread? Are they promoting tax evasion? I never heard this.
Tax aversion (not liking taxes) and tax evasion (a federal crime) or two different things.
I also didn't hear this as a defense or justification by the IRS in response. Only that it was lower level employees. Though I haven't read a whole lot about it yet.
Hadn't heard the comparison with DWB (driving while black) issue. That sort of profiling is wrong. The kind that AL EL does is right and we should be doing the same, political correctness aside.(Those folks know how to run a relatively safe airline.) I think we agree on this.
On the face of it, though a federal gov't agency targeting groups of Americans for increased scrutiny based on their free speech/political views sounds and looks pretty bad to me.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tax-Resistance...

Excerpt: The Tea Party movement (TPM) is an American populist political movement which is generally recognized as conservative and libertarian, and has sponsored protests and supported political candidates since 2009. It endorses reduced government spending, opposition to taxation in varying degrees, reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit, and adherence to an originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution. The name "Tea Party" is a re...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#52259 May 13, 2013
Not sure where these people are vis a vis evasion vs aversion - but "movement" suggests to me evasion, "central idea" could mean aversion, and "varying degrees" leaves room for both.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52260 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You do realize that an election was won partly over this issue?
Only a few right wingers still believe that Iraq was behind 911. And lots of people, myself included initially supported the war but still never thought for a moment that there was a 911 connection. Rather, we thought there were WMDs.
You are speaking generalization after generalization.

Mean time iraq and afgan is still occupied and gitmo is still open.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52261 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Fed governmnent is staffed by humans.
You need to get out of your basement more often.
Anyway, I see you gave up on the CO2 article critique. Does science give you a head ache?
There is no convincing you, global warming is like a cult to you.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52262 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I dont have a problem with it. Unless there is evidence that prosecution were handled any differently, which so far, there isnt.
The Tea Party is not only a political group (they run candidates) but they promote tax aversion. It would seem to me that this is exactly what the IRS should be investigating.
I dont get the backlash.
The backlash is the profiling dont you get it einstein?

Besides, the IRS doesnt care about evidence so your argument is foolish.

Meanwhile GE pays zero taxes, thats ok go after political enemies.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52263 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont get how IRS investigation is implicitly tyrannical.
Lets look at a false equivalence that is being bandied around. Black people being pulled over by cops. That is wrong. In that situation, there is no reason to believe that black people are more guilty of a potential crime than white people, therefore profiling for the purpose of investigation is wrong.
But in the case of the Tea Party - these people are actually advocating illegal behavior. Therefore, the potential is there. Plus they are not acting as individuals, they are filing as an organization with voluntary membership. So it makes sense to profile the organization.
You are still making generalizations do you know how foolish you sound?

Is there anything this administration does that will make you be critical?
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52264 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0220/Joe-St... (page)/2
The Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project counts five known domestic terrorist plots against the IRS in the past 15 years. Tensions are rising as federal tax authorities have begun stepping up collection efforts in the midst of flagging tax receipts.
"There's been an explosive growth of anti-government militias and so-called Patriot groups over the past year, and the central idea of many of them is that taxes are completely illegitimate," Intelligence Project editor Mark Potok tells Fox News.
Itís not just conservatives, either. Part of the tax resistance movement is left-wing resisters who donít want their tax money spent on foreign wars..."
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plus the fact that these groups are political parties - which I beleive is in violation of 5013c (in some way - not an expert)
The splc is just an extension of the federal government, they mean nothing.

They have a libertarian guy that ran for congress listed for no reason, no evidence , nothing.
Purely political enemy.
Abolish The Fed

United States

#52265 May 13, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0220/Joe-St... (page)/2
The Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project counts five known domestic terrorist plots against the IRS in the past 15 years. Tensions are rising as federal tax authorities have begun stepping up collection efforts in the midst of flagging tax receipts.
"There's been an explosive growth of anti-government militias and so-called Patriot groups over the past year, and the central idea of many of them is that taxes are completely illegitimate," Intelligence Project editor Mark Potok tells Fox News.
Itís not just conservatives, either. Part of the tax resistance movement is left-wing resisters who donít want their tax money spent on foreign wars..."
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plus the fact that these groups are political parties - which I beleive is in violation of 5013c (in some way - not an expert)
Yet government prosecutors refuse to offer evidence that the constitution and code are applicable time and time again.

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