Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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former res

Cheshire, CT

#51627 May 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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and we are all tracked by our cell phones these days
and have you noticed that after surfing/shopping the internet, we are now followed around by little square advertisements from those products embedded in whatever website we are now visiting? Even periodically erasing cookies doesnt blast all of these out.
The point being that there is a greater societal structure out there, whether we like it or not, approve of it or not, and that buy-in is involuntary not volunteerist.
Very true.

Those little tracking advertisements are a little disconcerting.

Somebody's definitely watching us.

This is interesting: "buy-in is involuntary not volunteerist"

..and bound to draw someone's attention.
Voluntarist

United States

#51628 May 3, 2013
former res wrote:
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Tell me in my day to day life how I follow or believe in the CT state constitution?
I follow the driving laws so that I don't get ticketed.
I pay my taxes to keep the man off my back.
What else am I missing?
So then you are no better than religious folks believing in the bible, at least most of them read it.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51629 May 3, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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So then you are no better than religious folks believing in the bible, at least most of them read it.
You haven't explained how I "believe in" the CT state constitution.

Believe that it exists? I couldn't even say that I do that.

Only you have ever even mentioned it to me.

You seem concerned with many very important issues!

:))
Voluntarist

United States

#51631 May 3, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Whatever. As usual it is impossible to converse with someone who believes white is black, and black is white.
Google Alex Jones.
So I presume that is your opinion.
Voluntarist

United States

#51632 May 3, 2013
former res wrote:
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You haven't explained how I "believe in" the CT state constitution.
Believe that it exists? I couldn't even say that I do that.
Only you have ever even mentioned it to me.
You seem concerned with many very important issues!
:))
I asked if you believe that it applies to you and you said that you believed that it did, absent any facts that it does.
So you are no better than a religious nut.
Voluntarist

United States

#51633 May 3, 2013
former res wrote:
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Quite the opposite.
Faith plays no part.
I'm much more of pragmatist than in idealist.
You don't pay your taxes or follow the traffic laws and
you can get arrested and/or fined.
I prefer to not have such legal/civil entanglements.
Besides, everyone else is following the same rules so it's not like I'm being singled out.
You are following everyones else obedience to laws withouy evidence that they actually apply to you the same way people go to church every sunday and follow the "scripture" , yet without any facts that it is actually applicable to them. They also believe that they will die and go to heaven.
Voluntarist

United States

#51634 May 3, 2013
former res wrote:
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I am currently a nutmegger. As of April 1.
I'm a "former res" of Greenwich, however.
OG to be specific.
(Was in PA for many years in between.)
Yes, to your question. Why not?
Here you admitted that you thought that the ct constitution applied to you.
Voluntarist

United States

#51635 May 3, 2013
former res wrote:
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Tell me in my day to day life how I follow or believe in the CT state constitution?
I follow the driving laws so that I don't get ticketed.
I pay my taxes to keep the man off my back.
What else am I missing?
You follow these so called laws that flow from the constitution without even kmowing that they apply to you, you are as obedient as those that follow the scripture.
Voluntarist

United States

#51636 May 3, 2013
former res wrote:
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Quite the opposite.
Faith plays no part.
I'm much more of pragmatist than in idealist.
You don't pay your taxes or follow the traffic laws and
you can get arrested and/or fined.
I prefer to not have such legal/civil entanglements.
Besides, everyone else is following the same rules so it's not like I'm being singled out.
So the free country really isnt free, coercive government would you agree?
IceCreamCohen

Hackettstown, NJ

#51638 May 3, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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Of course, in Saudi Arabia -- you can get the death penalty for "preaching" anything except Islam.
Jews don't preach -- we don't go knocking on people's doors and asking them if who they pray to or how they do it.
Most of us find it offensive and impolite.
So what? Most Christians find Judaism offensive and polite but we don't imprison you for it. Maybe we should. Tit for tat.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51640 May 3, 2013
IceCreamCohen wrote:
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So what? Most Christians find Judaism offensive and polite but we don't imprison you for it. Maybe we should. Tit for tat.
You mean Most Christians find Judaism offensive and IMPOLITE....

(smiles)
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51641 May 3, 2013
IceCreamCohen wrote:
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So what? Most Christians find Judaism offensive and polite but we don't imprison you for it. Maybe we should. Tit for tat.
well so what? G-D has already judged you all, as offensive and impolite to HIM here in TheTorah again. and not just all jews, christians, buddists, agnostics, athiests, asians, europeans, americans, africans, australians, and other muslems religiously also. and the influx of hell on this planet, from all this bs is getting to deep for my hip boots.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51642 May 3, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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So the free country really isnt free, coercive government would you agree?
rabbee: yes you all free to get hell from G-D, for not believing in THEM here in TheTorah again. as obviously you all, think it is worth the price of hell and death. because all your grandmother only think, you got a good deal from the same old devil again.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51643 May 3, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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I asked if you believe that it applies to you and you said that you believed that it did, absent any facts that it does.
So you are no better than a religious nut.
If it in fact it does exist, why would it NOT apply to me?

Who do you think it DOES apply to?

This seems like common sense to me.

Are you familiar with that?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51644 May 3, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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You are following everyones else obedience to laws withouy evidence that they actually apply to you the same way people go to church every sunday and follow the "scripture" , yet without any facts that it is actually applicable to them. They also believe that they will die and go to heaven.
If those two things seem the same to you, then Ok, I am one of the sheep following the laws so I don't get jailed, fined, sued, liens applied to my house etc.

Guilty as charged.

Are you in demand as a dinner guest?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51645 May 3, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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So the free country really isnt free, coercive government would you agree?
Freedom (or lack thereof) is not an absolute.

I see it more as a continuum. Some folks/countries are more free than others.

Libertarians think we would do great with total freedom. I don't agree. Man is both good and evil. He needs some checks and balances.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51646 May 3, 2013
IceCreamCohen wrote:
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So what? Most Christians find Judaism offensive and polite but we don't imprison you for it. Maybe we should. Tit for tat.
There were no prisons in ancient Israel, people were stoned to death for serving idols. In modern days, they probably will be imprisoned. Forsaking the Lord also means forsaking his law.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#51647 May 3, 2013
former res wrote:
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Freedom (or lack thereof) is not an absolute.
I see it more as a continuum. Some folks/countries are more free than others.
Libertarians think we would do great with total freedom. I don't agree. Man is both good and evil. He needs some checks and balances.
There's also some good and some evil in everyone, even both Satan and God, there is supposed to be iniquity in Gods youth.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#51648 May 3, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>There's also some good and some evil in everyone, even both Satan and God, there is supposed to be iniquity in Gods youth.
rabbee: G-D is THE Very Jealous G-D, no goodie two shoes Angel, or demonic personality can out do, G-D'S Good and/or Evil capabilities. so it would be better, to try and out do G-D'S Good. than try to out do, any demonic evil. so don't be cruel, to TheG-D WHO can be crueler to you.
Voluntarist

United States

#51649 May 3, 2013
former res wrote:
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If it in fact it does exist, why would it NOT apply to me?
Who do you think it DOES apply to?
This seems like common sense to me.
Are you familiar with that?
No it isnt common sense that some words on a piece of paper apply to anyone, they are just words.

Those words in the bible apply to you too then.

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