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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51033 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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No you didn't. You said "I KNOW of a FACT that there is far greater mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel." And, the research shows you are wrong. Almost every Jew, including those in Israel, are of mixed race accomplished through intermarriage.
The following are YOUR words, Eric. Tell me one thing, was the lady speaking about 100 years ago or recent and current times in Brazil?

YOUR words, Eric---The Brazilian person to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of discrimination and discriminatory violence in Brazil.
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#51034 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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I have READ and quoted Israeli newspapers that put it in terms of RACISM. One example, not RENTING to ARAB students.
I have cited those articles in the past and YOU know it. You are just trying to be "clever" but it reflects POORLY on you.
Hugh, stop dodging the question.

First, what race are Arabs?

Second, it has nothing to do with whether Israeli Jews are of mixed race. Research says they are. Even if we ASSUME for the sake of argument that Israeli hate of Arabs is racial, it does not negate the fact or the possibility that Jews are not racially opposed to marrying other races that are not Arab. Research shows that Jews are of mixed race.
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#51035 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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The following are YOUR words, Eric. Tell me one thing, was the lady speaking about 100 years ago or recent and current times in Brazil?
YOUR words, Eric---The Brazilian person to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of discrimination and discriminatory violence in Brazil.
Two different topics Hugh. One was racial violence; One was racial mixing. Do you see anything in the above about racial mixing? Absolutely not. Frijoles and I were speaking to her about incidents of racial violence.

The Jews of Israel are almost entirely of mixed race. Research has proven it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51036 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Hugh, stop dodging the question.
First, what race are Arabs?
Second, it has nothing to do with whether Israeli Jews are of mixed race. Research says they are. Even if we ASSUME for the sake of argument that Israeli hate of Arabs is racial, it does not negate the fact or the possibility that Jews are not racially opposed to marrying other races that are not Arab. Research shows that Jews are of mixed race.
Eric---Hugh, stop dodging the question.
First, what race are Arabs?

HughBe--- Are you a total ass? YOU used Arabs in a context of RELIGION and so I asked YOU to tell me about the RELIGION called Arab.
Why are you having such a challenge understanding the language.

In addition I previously wrote, "Moreover when YOU and your kind speak you hijack the word anti-Semitic to mean JEWS only and YOU do so as if Arabs are not also Semitic peoples."

Think about my words.

Eric---Research shows that Jews are of mixed race.

HughBe--- Some will say that they are CONVERTS and not true Jews. I speak more of the Ashkenazi Jews.

Moreover, in a context of SEGREGATION(Israel) there cannot be any widespread integration via marriage.

You need to take your time to digest the material as it is a lot and more than you are able to handle quickly.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51037 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Two different topics Hugh. One was racial violence; One was racial mixing. Do you see anything in the above about racial mixing? Absolutely not. Frijoles and I were speaking to her about incidents of racial violence.
The Jews of Israel are almost entirely of mixed race. Research has proven it.
As I have so many times, my focus was not on the DISCRIMINATION issue that you spoke of in your post to me. My focus was on the fact that there is far GREATER mixing and intermarriage in Brazil than in Israel.

Can a Jew get married in Israel without the consent of his or her FATHER meaning RABBI?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51038 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Two different topics Hugh. One was racial violence; One was racial mixing. Do you see anything in the above about racial mixing? Absolutely not. Frijoles and I were speaking to her about incidents of racial violence.
The Jews of Israel are almost entirely of mixed race. Research has proven it.
Originally YOU Eric said "Eric---The Brazilian person to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of discrimination and DISCRIMINATORY violence in Brazil."

Now YOU speak in terms of "One was RACIAL violence"

So dear Eric YOU have equated the DISCRIMINATION to RACISM.

Eric--- "DISCRIMINATORY violence"= "RACIAL violence"

Thanks, Eric.
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#51039 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Eric---Hugh, stop dodging the question.
First, what race are Arabs?.
still dodging the question hugh
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#51040 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Originally YOU Eric said "Eric---The Brazilian person to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of discrimination and DISCRIMINATORY violence in Brazil."
Now YOU speak in terms of "One was RACIAL violence"
So dear Eric YOU have equated the DISCRIMINATION to RACISM.
Eric--- "DISCRIMINATORY violence"= "RACIAL violence"
Thanks, Eric.
We were discussing racially motivated actions. You entered the conversation late and didn't know what the f---- you were talking about.
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#51041 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Eric---Research shows that Jews are of mixed race.
HughBe--- Some will say that they are CONVERTS and not true Jews. I speak more of the Ashkenazi Jews.
But the research proved that wrong also.

And, as far as I'm concerned, the converts are true Jews. Remember Hugh, you chastise us for not actively seeking converts. You can't then say that when we have converts that they are not Jews.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51042 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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still dodging the question hugh
Go ask someone with sense to explain my words to you. They are clear to native speakers of English
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51043 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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still dodging the question hugh
Speaking about dodging. Answer my questions.

Do you regard a comment about " RACIST outbursts" as being political/religious?

If you read such a comment, give me a few of such RACIST OUTBURST by your masters/rabbis.

Would prohibiting Jews from dating ARABS fall into the category of RACISM?

Would telling their blind disciples NOT to RENT property to Arabs, racism ?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51044 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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We were discussing racially motivated actions. You entered the conversation late and didn't know what the f---- you were talking about.
Eric---You entered the conversation late and didn't know what the f---- you were talking about.

HughBe--- clearly BS makes you at home. The reality is I chose NOT to directly address the matter of DISCRIMINATION.

Intelligence would have understood my words and would have connected the dots. Recall my words, I now write from memory.

I know of a fact that there is far greater mixing and intermarriages in Brazil than in Israel.

Go connect the dots.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51045 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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But the research proved that wrong also.
And, as far as I'm concerned, the converts are true Jews. Remember Hugh, you chastise us for not actively seeking converts. You can't then say that when we have converts that they are not Jews.
Eric---Remember Hugh, you chastise us for not actively seeking converts.

HughBe--- Us who? You need to visit reality at times.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51046 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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We were discussing racially motivated actions. You entered the conversation late and didn't know what the f---- you were talking about.
Your words, "The Brazilian person to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of discrimination and discriminatory violence in Brazil"

Questions-- When was she speaking? was she speaking of 100 years ago, 50 years ago or NOW meaning CURRENTLY?
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#51047 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Speaking about dodging. Answer my questions.
Do you regard a comment about " RACIST outbursts" as being political/religious?
If you read such a comment, give me a few of such RACIST OUTBURST by your masters/rabbis.?
I have no masters/rabbis.

I have but ONE master who is often addressed by that term itself by myself daily
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#51048 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Eric---You entered the conversation late and didn't know what the f---- you were talking about.
HughBe--- clearly BS makes you at home. The reality is I chose NOT to directly address the matter of DISCRIMINATION.
Intelligence would have understood my words and would have connected the dots. Recall my words, I now write from memory.
I know of a fact that there is far greater mixing and intermarriages in Brazil than in Israel.
Go connect the dots.
Research proves you wrong. Almost every member of the population is of mixed race.
Eric

La Grange Park, IL

#51049 Apr 24, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Eric---Remember Hugh, you chastise us for not actively seeking converts.
HughBe--- Us who? You need to visit reality at times.
Being dumb won't absolve you. Take the foot out of your mouth.

btw, Hugh, you are of mixed race. How many years ago did that happen?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51050 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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But the research proved that wrong also.
And, as far as I'm concerned, the converts are true Jews. Remember Hugh, you chastise us for not actively seeking converts. You can't then say that when we have converts that they are not Jews.
When did the intermarriages occur? 700 years ago? 1000 years ago?

Are these the time periods that the Brazilian lady was speaking about?

More from the source already given. "So many of our Diaspora Jewish youth find themselves distanced from Israel and view Zionism as alien. The very rabbis who promote a RACIST vision (and not all who signed are necessarily guilty of racism) serve to further alienate our young people along with many other fair minded persons."

Can a Jew in Israel get married without the consent of these same RACIST rabbis?

How then can there be a high level of intermarriages in this context?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51051 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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I have no masters/rabbis.
I have but ONE master who is often addressed by that term itself by myself daily
rabbis=masters

Still outstanding.

Do you regard a comment about " RACIST outbursts" as being political/religious?
If you read such a comment, give me a few of such RACIST OUTBURST by your masters/rabbis.?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#51052 Apr 24, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Being dumb won't absolve you. Take the foot out of your mouth.
btw, Hugh, you are of mixed race. How many years ago did that happen?
My Grandfather being a man of High standing could not and would not take orders from those beneath. It is a family thing.

The answer is 16 years ago.

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