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Eric

South Elgin, IL

#50920 Apr 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Eric---I don't remember making any claims
HughBe---I challenge you to quote my words that spoke of CLAIMS.
Eric quoting me--Besides, the issue has NOT changed and I still KNOW that the CLAIM is and was FALSE.
HughBe--- where I live there is a difference between a claim and claimS. YOU spoke of claims my words spoke of CLAIM. You FAILED, again.
Get it?
But, Hugh, what was the false CLAIM that was made? You said a False Claim was made. What was it. Who made it. You are the only one who made a claim regarding mixing of the races. I didn't. I didn't say you were wrong. I didn't say you were right. I asked if you read the current research.

My claims regarded violence against Blacks in Brazil. Frijoles claim was against the lack of civil rights of indigenous people in Brazil.

So, Hugh, what was the false claim and who made it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50921 Apr 18, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
But, Hugh, what was the false CLAIM that was made? You said a False Claim was made. What was it. Who made it. You are the only one who made a claim regarding mixing of the races. I didn't. I didn't say you were wrong. I didn't say you were right. I asked if you read the current research.
My claims regarded violence against Blacks in Brazil. Frijoles claim was against the lack of civil rights of indigenous people in Brazil.
So, Hugh, what was the false claim and who made it.
Eric---So, Hugh, what was the false claim and who made it.

Hugh--- poor Eric, I shall help you but please take your time and read with understanding.

Post 50898

Eric---The Brazilian person to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of discrimination and discriminatory violence in Brazil......if you would have read the research like I asked you too, you would know that your statement is absolutely false

Hugh--- I don't have to read the research I KNOW that such an assertion is FALSE.

1. Do you understand the context of my reply above?

2. Do you understand the substance of my reply? explain it.

3. Do you understand that I spoke of false ASSERTION and it was in relation to what the BRAZILIAN poster claimed?
Eric

South Elgin, IL

#50922 Apr 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Eric---So, Hugh, what was the false claim and who made it.
Hugh--- poor Eric, I shall help you but please take your time and read with understanding.
Post 50898
Eric---The Brazilian person to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of discrimination and discriminatory violence in Brazil......if you would have read the research like I asked you too, you would know that your statement is absolutely false
Hugh--- I don't have to read the research I KNOW that such an assertion is FALSE.
1. Do you understand the context of my reply above?
2. Do you understand the substance of my reply? explain it.
3. Do you understand that I spoke of false ASSERTION and it was in relation to what the BRAZILIAN poster claimed?
50898 is your hacking of what I said previously.

The research, that YOU asked about but were too lazy to read because you KNOW the answer did the following:

It tested whether Jews were a homogeneous protected society as routinely believed or whether the Jews were like other peoples, cultures and religions that were made up of many races intermingled and intermarried. It found out that the latter was true. Empirical study. Available on the internet. Therefore, the Jewish population of Israel is a mixture of many races intermingled and intermarried.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50923 Apr 18, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
50898 is your hacking of what I said previously.
The research, that YOU asked about but were too lazy to read because you KNOW the answer did the following:
It tested whether Jews were a homogeneous protected society as routinely believed or whether the Jews were like other peoples, cultures and religions that were made up of many races intermingled and intermarried. It found out that the latter was true. Empirical study. Available on the internet. Therefore, the Jewish population of Israel is a mixture of many races intermingled and intermarried.
Take your medication, I DID NOT ask YOU about any RESEARCH. STOP your LYING.

I responded to the claim of the Brazilian. I said I did NOT need to read the research as I am aware that the claim was false.

Go rest.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50924 Apr 18, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
50898 is your hacking of what I said previously.
The research, that YOU asked about but were too lazy to read because you KNOW the answer did the following:
It tested whether Jews were a homogeneous protected society as routinely believed or whether the Jews were like other peoples, cultures and religions that were made up of many races intermingled and intermarried. It found out that the latter was true. Empirical study. Available on the internet. Therefore, the Jewish population of Israel is a mixture of many races intermingled and intermarried.
Focus, and address just what follows.

Eric---The Brazilian person to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of discrimination and discriminatory violence in Brazil......if you would have read the research like I asked you too, you would know that your statement is absolutely false

Hugh--- I don't have to read the research I KNOW that such an assertion is FALSE.

1. Do you understand the context of my reply above?

2. Do you understand the substance of my reply? explain it.

3. Based your words above what was the research about.

Eric---if you would have read the research like I asked you

HughBe--- Did YOU ask me to read the research?

If so explain YOUR words, "research, that YOU asked about" and quote my words.
Eric

South Elgin, IL

#50925 Apr 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Take your medication, I DID NOT ask YOU about any RESEARCH. STOP your LYING.
No, you asked about the article. I told you to read the research. Did you read either?
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
I responded to the claim of the Brazilian. I said I did NOT need to read the research as I am aware that the claim was false.
Go rest.
You can't keep your train of thought on the tracks.

Now you are talking about the claim of the Brazilian. Which claim was that? Remember you stated that "I KNOW of a FACT that there is far greater mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel." What did the Brazilian say on that topic?

Here is your whole post:

Mariana DM 1989 wrote:
<quoted text>
without any cases, that all means nothing and must be taken with a pinch of salt. Still it does not prove that there is racism as there is in Israel. you won't find any cases. wheras i can find you thousands of cases of racist incidents in israel.
read this article
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/jerusalem-vivend ...

And you said:

I KNOW of a FACT that there is far greater mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel. In fact, only a FOOL or an EVIL person would seek to compare the two countries in that regard.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50926 Apr 18, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you asked about the article. I told you to read the research. Did you read either?
<quoted text>
You can't keep your train of thought on the tracks.
Now you are talking about the claim of the Brazilian. Which claim was that? Remember you stated that "I KNOW of a FACT that there is far greater mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel." What did the Brazilian say on that topic?
Here is your whole post:
Mariana DM 1989 wrote:
<quoted text>
without any cases, that all means nothing and must be taken with a pinch of salt. Still it does not prove that there is racism as there is in Israel. you won't find any cases. wheras i can find you thousands of cases of racist incidents in israel.
read this article
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/jerusalem-vivend ...
And you said:
I KNOW of a FACT that there is far greater mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel. In fact, only a FOOL or an EVIL person would seek to compare the two countries in that regard.
Eric---you asked about the article.

HughBe--- One of the tools of your art of deception is to FALSELY attribute words to others. It shall not work here. You are just a LIAR. Prove to ALL that I am lying.

Quote my words that support your LIE. If you don't we shall go no further.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50927 Apr 18, 2013
Eric, the LIAR---if you would have read the research like I ASKED you...

HughBe--- I don't have to read the research

Eric, the LIAR---you asked about the article.

HughBe--- I asked about the article and yet I clearly said I don't have to read it.

Why does this Judahite seek to insult the intelligence of his betters?
Eric

South Elgin, IL

#50928 Apr 18, 2013
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Eric---you asked about the article.
HughBe--- One of the tools of your art of deception is to FALSELY attribute words to others. It shall not work here. You are just a LIAR. Prove to ALL that I am lying.
Quote my words that support your LIE. If you don't we shall go no further.
actually going no further would be ok with me because you are the one who gets abusive when you are shown that you are wrong. I don't use the word liar. I don't split hairs concerning singular and plural.
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HughBe
Kingston, Jamaica
#93 Wednesday Apr 10

It is a pity that the story is no longer in the system i.e. available.
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If that's not asking about the article, I don't know what is.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#50929 Apr 19, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
My guess would be the same thing that you would say about the mistakes, discrepancies and mistakes in the Koran....
that glass house - throwing stones thing again
The mistakes people allege in Quran are no mistakes. They are different from OT or NT books, but on these occasions, the mere authenticity of older scriptures come into question.

The "defects" in Quran are only from our assumptions, while those in OT and NT books are real and hard to explain.

And we see apologies like "Copying error" or Variant Readings and Errata etc. added in footnotes, to common readers they do not mean much, but to a scholar they carry lots of meanings.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#50930 Apr 19, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>There are no discrepancies or mistakes in the OT, name one.
OMG!! you are so ignorant!! You cannot even count!!
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#50931 Apr 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG!! you are so ignorant!! You cannot even count!!
You obviously can't count to zero. You still haven't answered my question.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#50932 Apr 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
The mistakes people allege in Quran are no mistakes. They are different from OT or NT books, but on these occasions, the mere authenticity of older scriptures come into question.
The "defects" in Quran are only from our assumptions, while those in OT and NT books are real and hard to explain.
And we see apologies like "Copying error" or Variant Readings and Errata etc. added in footnotes, to common readers they do not mean much, but to a scholar they carry lots of meanings.
rabbee: if it is not TheTorah, TheG-D is still presently giving. it is bearing false wittness against G-D, and TheTorah THEY gave to Moshe again. all the works of new testaments, are the works of liars.

the world cannot really change, This Same Again Story TheG-D of Only TheTorah is still giving. all you do by trying to mentally change it to your deluded versions, is increase the horror taking place within it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50933 Apr 19, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
actually going no further would be ok with me because you are the one who gets abusive when you are shown that you are wrong. I don't use the word liar. I don't split hairs concerning singular and plural.
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HughBe
Kingston, Jamaica
#93 Wednesday Apr 10
It is a pity that the story is no longer in the system i.e. available.
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If that's not asking about the article, I don't know what is.
Mariana--You can only rant and mask such rants using intellectual language but the truth is that you will not find any cases of ethnic DISCRIMINATION between people in Brazil.

Mariana DM 1989 --without any cases, that all means nothing and must be taken with a pinch of salt. Still it does not prove that there is RACISM as there is in Israel. you won't find any cases. wheras i can find you thousands of cases of RACIST incidents in israel.

HughBe---I KNOW of a FACT that there is far greater mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel. In fact, only a FOOL or an EVIL person would seek to compare the two countries in that regard.

Then Eric, the fool---That's right, Hugh. It's ok for the skin heads to beat up the descendants of slavery in Brazil. We'll just close our eyes to it.

(HughBe--- My only point is and was that there is a GREATER intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than in Israel. I stand by my comment.)

My actual words were, there is far greater mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel.

Eric---The Brazilian person(Mariana) to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of DISCRIMINATION and DISCRIMINATORY violence in Brazil......IF you WOULD have READ the RESEARCH like I ASKED YOU too, you would know that your statement is absolutely false

Hugh--- I don't have to read the research I KNOW that such an assertion is FALSE.(DISCRIMINATION is the issue)

However that does NOT change my point, I KNOW of a FACT that there is far greater mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel.

Let me go back to what the deceiver/Eric said, "IF you WOULD have READ the RESEARCH like I ASKED YOU "

So right here the LIAR confessed that HE asked me to read the research.

Then the dim-wit said, "you would rather be IGNORANT on the most recent research than take a chance that your preconceived notions are wrong."

Eric the LIAR said, "you asked about the article"

So I asked about the article and yet he says I "would rather be IGNORANT" what a MORON, he is.

Finally the DECEPTIVE Judahite goes to another thread and TWISTS context etc. to fit his LIES.

He takes my words,"It is a pity that the story is no longer in the system i.e. available."

Note, those words were spoken in relation to a article about New DNA Science Research Confirms... Jews are not Descendants of Abraham. The thread carries the same name.

The regret expressed reads, "It is a pity that the story is no longer in the system i.e. available." P5, post 93

My words were NOT addressed to anyone. Immediately after my post, LYING Eric responded to me by saying, "Hugh Don't read the article. Read the research. The article and headline was a disservice to the research."

In essence I did NOT ask the fellow Eric for anything and he is just a BLATANT LIAR and there is no TRUTH in him.

Look at his twisting and deception.

Then he continues with his, "If that's not asking about the article, I don't know what is."

Who asked him anything? I did NOT. I asked no one for the article and that article was about DNA and Jews NOT being the DESCENDANTS of Abraham. It had nothing to do with RACISM or discrimination and I based my comments purely on the title of the thread as I did not get the opportunity to read the article. It was no longer available.
Eric

South Elgin, IL

#50935 Apr 19, 2013
Wow, Hugh, what a convoluted response. Typical Hugh box car response. Throw enough doo doo against the wall and maybe something will stick.

This is Topix. You put something up and you open yourself to responses from whomever. You made a statement concerning the unavailability of an article. Therefore you asked about the article. Anyone can then respond.

SO DON'T GIVE US ANY BS ABOUT YOU NOT ASKING ABOUT THE ARTICLE. Your post is there for all to see. You didn't say that you never asked ME about the article. You said you never asked about the article period.

One of these days you are going to admit when you mis-speak.
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HughBe
Kingston, Jamaica
|#50926 10 hrs ago

Eric---you asked about the article.

HughBe--- One of the tools of your art of deception is to FALSELY attribute words to others. It shall not work here. You are just a LIAR. Prove to ALL that I am lying.

Quote my words that support your LIE. If you don't we shall go no further.
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Well Hugh I quoted your words. You clearly asked about the article.

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Now the research, which is on the internet for you to read except you are either too lazy or to biased, says that contrary to popular belief that Jews are a homogeneous group, the Jews have engaged in extensive intermarriage and intermixing.

ISN'T THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? Researchers have DNA proof concerning the extensive intermarriage of Jews. Therefore, the Jews in Israel have as much racial mixing as anywhere else.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50936 Apr 19, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
The mistakes people allege in Quran are no mistakes. They are different from OT or NT books, but on these occasions, the mere authenticity of older scriptures come into question.
The "defects" in Quran are only from our assumptions, while those in OT and NT books are real and hard to explain.
And we see apologies like "Copying error" or Variant Readings and Errata etc. added in footnotes, to common readers they do not mean much, but to a scholar they carry lots of meanings.
But the Quran is full of revised stories from the tanach, with no better proof that they have the correct version than the tanach. Therefore the Quran has no special level of credibility as compared to the tanach.

That stones in the glass house thing again

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#50937 Apr 19, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Now the research, which is on the internet for you to read except you are either too lazy or to biased, says that contrary to popular belief that Jews are a homogeneous group, the Jews have engaged in extensive intermarriage and intermixing.
ISN'T THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? Researchers have DNA proof concerning the extensive intermarriage of Jews. Therefore, the Jews in Israel have as much racial mixing as anywhere else.
Dont worry - your exchanges have not been in vain. They were the source of much amusement when I read them.

I think that honestly, the Caribbean gentleman has some loose screws, in addition to being a ideologue.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50939 Apr 19, 2013
Eric---Now the research, which is on the internet for you to read except you are either too lazy or to biased, says that contrary to popular belief that Jews are a homogeneous group, the Jews have engaged in extensive intermarriage and intermixing. ISN'T THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?

HughBe--- Simple Simon, as far as I am aware I introduced intermarriage into the equation and that was my initial contribution until your post to me on DISCRIMINATION.

Have you "forgotten", dear?

Let me remind you of YOUR words.

You Eric said-- The Brazilian person(Mariana) to whom we were speaking insisted that there were no cases of DISCRIMINATION and DISCRIMINATORY violence in Brazil......IF you WOULD have READ the RESEARCH like I ASKED YOU too, you would know that your statement is absolutely false

HughBe--- Hopefully, the matter that YOU were addressing was DISCRIMINATION given that is what you spoke about.

I responded to your post and said, I don't have to read the research I KNOW that such an assertion is FALSE.(Mariana's)

Eric--- Researchers have DNA proof concerning the extensive intermarriage of Jews. Therefore, the Jews in Israel have AS MUCH racial mixing as anywhere else.

HughBe--- Really? Based on past experiences, it is my hope that your men did not survey 50 persons and then make their proclamation. Having said that let me accept your report as true and I do so to facilitate the discussion.

I still maintain my original point i.e.I KNOW of a FACT that there is far GREATER mixing and intermarriage between RACES in Brazil than Israel.

Question to you Eric, are you saying that I am wrong?

What is your understanding of the word GREATER in my words?

Does it tell you that there is no such mixing in Israel?

Quantify the racial intermarriage and mixing based on my use of the word GREATER.

Does greater mean 50% intermarriage? What percentage do YOU see in my GREATER?

Finally based on the title of the thread, "New DNA Science Research Confirms... Jews are NOT Descendants of Abraham." I would NEVER have guessed that DISCRIMINATION in Israel was addressed in the article bearing the same name.

When I visited the thread and tried to access the article it was no longer available and so I said "It is a pity that the story is no longer in the system i.e. available.". Now my post was not addressed to YOU or anyone else.

You inserted yourself and said, "Hugh Don't read the article. Read the research..."

YOU were NOT solicited, Eric. There is no justifiable reason for you to LIE and to falsely attribute things to me. STOP it, Judahite.

The LIE that I am speaking of is, "you asked about the article" and I NEVER did. I expressed regret that it was not available but that was not an invitation to anyone to LIE or otherwise.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#50940 Apr 19, 2013
Oh Eric, tell me the percentage of interracial marriages in Israel and compare it to the Brazilian situation.
MUQ

Jubail, Saudi Arabia

#50941 Apr 19, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
But the Quran is full of revised stories from the tanach, with no better proof that they have the correct version than the tanach. Therefore the Quran has no special level of credibility as compared to the tanach.
That stones in the glass house thing again
Revised stories of TANAKH? Revised by some one who did not know how to read or how to write and was taught by no one?

This is very brilliant of you. Shall I offer another apology to you?

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