Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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susanblange

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Apr 4, 2013
 
Barbara wrote:
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How often do proselytizers have to "spread their word" to the same people over and over? I've already heard what they have to say and I'm still not interested.
What I find most annoying about Messianic Jews, is not that they practice Jewish customs (after all, Jesus did), but that they call themselves Jews. Anyone who believes in the divinity of Jesus is no longer a Jew by definition.
I agree Barbara. Christianity is idolatry which is expressly forbidden in the Torah. The God of Israel is the living God and the terms Christian and Jewish are mutually exclusive as a matter of choice, not ethnicity.

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susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Who is Rick, another messiah wannabe?
Is this an existential question or a logical question?
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Apr 4, 2013
 
Frijoles wrote:
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Is this an existential question or a logical question?
Just a question Beans, that's what I used to call one of my beloved cats of blessed memory!
Eric

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MUQ

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Are you blind? Havent you noticed that the Republicans have been voted out of the office TWICE?
WE use democracy - we are not barbaric Saudis who behead at a whim.
Not quite sure what your grievance is.
Is THAT punishment for bashing for bashing up a country and killing 1 million people?

Is that punishment for getting 10,000 of your own soldiers killed and spending Trillions of Dollars of Hard Cash?

What type of Civilized system is it? The criminals and culprits are free to roam and enjoy at the cost of the country whom they cheated and destroyed?

Democracy must be the most inhuman form of Govt. then, if it lets these crooks simply by "loosing them in the election".

And what choice you have? Replace one set of idiots with another set of Idiots.

GWB the Great did not loose any election for your info, he was rewarded for his "manly courage and stand face to face with Osama and look him in they eyes" with re-election!!

Now you want to sweep all that under the carpet and feel once against as if you have become angels.
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Apr 4, 2013
 
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75606978

The madness that was Iraq War, listen from the Horse' Mouth Now Part-4

Update: The Iraq War Ledger

A Look at the War’s Human, Financial, and Strategic Costs

Matthew Duss and Peter Juul December 2011

18. Strategic costs

A. The foregoing costs could conceivably be justified if the Iraq intervention had improved the United States’ strategic position in the Middle East. But this is clearly not the case.

B. The Iraq war has strengthened anti-U.S. elements and made the position of the United States and its allies more precarious.

C. Empowered Iran in Iraq and region. The Islamic Republic of Iran is the primary strategic beneficiary of the U.S.-led intervention in Iraq. The end of Saddam Hussein’s regime removed Iran’s most-hated enemy (with whom it fought a hugely destructive war in the 1980s) and removed the most significant check on Iran’s regional hegemonic aspirations.

D. Many of Iraq’s key Iraqi Shia Islamist and Kurdish leaders enjoy close ties to Iran, facilitating considerable influence for Iran in the new Iraq.

E. Created terrorist training ground According to the U.K. Maplecroft research group’s most recent index, Iraq is the third-most vulnerable country in the world to terrorism.- 10

F. The years of U.S. occupation in Iraq created not only a rallying call for violent Islamic extremists but also an environment for them to develop, test, and perfect various tactics and techniques.

These tactics and techniques are now shared, both in person and via the Internet, with extremists all over the region and the world, including those fighting U.S . troops in Afghanistan.

G. Loss of international standing. While abuses are perhaps inevitable in any military occupation, the images and stories broadcast from Iraq into the region and around the world have done lasting damage to the United States’ reputation as a supporter of international order and human rights.

H. Gen. David Petraeus has said that the damage done to the United States’ image by Abu Ghraib is permanent, calling it a “nonbiodegradable”- 11 event.

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Endnotes:

10 “Newly formed South Sudan joins Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan at top of Maplecroft terrorism ranking,” Maplecroft News, August 3, 2011, available at http://maplecroft.com/about/news/terrorism_in... (Last accessed Dec. 1, 2011)

11 Matt Duss,“Petraeus: Damage Done By Abu Ghraib Is Permanent,” ThinkProgress,
April 1, 2010, available at

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2010/04/01

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susanblange

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Rick Moss wrote:
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Funny -- I'm almost SURE the Torah says there's only ONE G-d.
I thought Jesus one command was to love your neighbor as you love yourself. He did away with the rest of the law.

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susanblange wrote:
<quoted text> I thought Jesus one command was to love your neighbor as you love yourself. He did away with the rest of the law.
Why would Rick care about what Jesus said?

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MUQ wrote:
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Is THAT punishment for bashing for bashing up a country and killing 1 million people?
Is that punishment for getting 10,000 of your own soldiers killed and spending Trillions of Dollars of Hard Cash?
What type of Civilized system is it? The criminals and culprits are free to roam and enjoy at the cost of the country whom they cheated and destroyed?
Democracy must be the most inhuman form of Govt. then, if it lets these crooks simply by "loosing them in the election".
And what choice you have? Replace one set of idiots with another set of Idiots.
GWB the Great did not loose any election for your info, he was rewarded for his "manly courage and stand face to face with Osama and look him in they eyes" with re-election!!
Now you want to sweep all that under the carpet and feel once against as if you have become angels.
Spare us your crocodile tears.

You hate our system regardless - you're just looking for excuses.
Education, equal rights, democracy is a threat to your value system.

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Apr 5, 2013
 
Eric wrote:
http://www.topix.com/member/pr ofile/rickmoss
Interesting.

Rick was/is one of the truely funniest people here online.
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Frijoles wrote:
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Is this an existential question or a logical question?

Hey, I remember Rick, of Singapore - a very hot and humid place!

Cheshire is nice and quiet.

May already have a deal on the PA house.

Life might be good after all.

My sis is moving to near High Ridge/Merrit. On the Rip....River.
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Apr 5, 2013
 
Condolences on the death of that fine writer, Ruth Prawer (Cohn) Jhabvala. Heat and Dust....
JOEL

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Heat and Dust by Ruth Prawer (Cohn) Jhabvala - Booker Prize - and many other awards for her other superb writings.

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former res wrote:
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Hey, I remember Rick, of Singapore - a very hot and humid place!
Cheshire is nice and quiet.
May already have a deal on the PA house.
Life might be good after all.
My sis is moving to near High Ridge/Merrit. On the Rip....River.
Wow - welcome back - I was just thinking of skedaddling from this forum as it has gotten a bit stale but maybe not.

You know what I do - if I can be of any help to sis on her property send me an email

Rick was interesting - no matter how much an ahole he was posting to, Rick would still have some disarming but bitingly funny/sarcastic response

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former res wrote:
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Hey, I remember Rick, of Singapore - a very hot and humid place!
Cheshire is nice and quiet.
May already have a deal on the PA house.
Life might be good after all.
My sis is moving to near High Ridge/Merrit. On the Rip....River.
Here, if you enjoy beating on actual neonazis

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/judaism/T...

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Apr 5, 2013
 
even that gay Jamaican has gotten into the fun (on the good side for a change)
JOEL

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Zionists are the real animals who're far worse than the Neo-Nazis. ROFL.
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Gay Zionist versus gay Jamaican. Interesting. LOL.
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JOEL wrote:
Zionists are the real animals who're far worse than the Neo-Nazis. ROFL.
Hitler's views on India were disparaging.[62] He considered the British colonial rule of the subcontinent as an exemplary one and intended the German rule in the occupied East to resemble it.[62] Hitler thought little of the Indian independence movement, declaring the freedom fighters of being racially inferior "Asiatic jugglers".[62] As early as 1930 he spoke of the Indian freedom movement as the rebellion of the "lower Indian race against the superior English Nordic race", and that the British were free to deal with any subversive Indian activists as they liked.[63] In 1937 he told the British Foreign Secretary Lord Halifax that the British should "shoot Gandhi, and if this doesn't suffice to reduce them to submission, shoot a dozen leading members of the Congress, and if that doesn't suffice shoot 200, and so on, as you make it clear that you mean business."[63] During the same discussion Hitler reportedly told Halifax that one of his favorite films was The Lives of a Bengal Lancer, because it depicted a handful of "superior race" Britons holding sway over an entire continent.[64]
Nazi ideologist Alfred Rosenberg stated that although the Vedic culture was Aryan in origin, any Nordic blood had long since been lost due to racial mixing.[62] Like Hitler, he viewed the British rule in India as being desirable.[62]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_ (Nazism)#Hitler.27s_plans_for_ India
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I like this one better. It has your hero in it. Same citation.

Indian revolutionary Subhas Chandra Bose escaped from India on 17 January 1941 and arrived in Berlin via Moscow.[66] There he proposed organizing an Indian national government in exile and urged the Axis to declare their support for the Indian cause.[66] He eventually managed to extract such promises from Japan after the Fall of Singapore and later on from Italy as well, but the Germans refused.[63] Bose was granted an audience with Mussolini, but Hitler refused to see him, although he did acquire access to Joachim von Ribbentrop after much difficulty.[63] The German Foreign Ministry was sceptical of any such endeavours, as the German goal was to use Bose for propaganda and subversive activity, especially following the model of the 1941 pro-Axis coup in Iraq.[67] These propaganda measures included anti-Raj radio broadcasts and the recruitment of Indian prisoners of war for the "Free India Legion".[68] Bose eventually met with Hitler on 29 May 1942.[69] During the discussion, which mostly consisted of Hitler monologuing to Bose,[63] Hitler expressed his scepticism for India's readiness for a rebellion against the Raj, and his fears of a Soviet takeover of India.[69] He stated that if Germany had to do anything about India it would first have to conquer Russia, for the road to India could only be accomplished through that country,[63] although he did promise to financially support Bose and help relocate him to the Far East.[69] Bose later described the encounter by stating that it was impossible to get Hitler involved in any serious political discussion.[63]

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