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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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Perfection means manifesting the whole of the absolute in the manifestation and that would involve complete mastery over the whole universe and beyond to its underlying mechanisms. It progresses in stages as each emergence brings in newer and higher faculties, phenomena and laws.
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We would understand the entire course of evolution, from the simplest life-forms millions of years ago, to the great complexity of the human brain (still now only barely understood), and proceeding onward into the unknown future, to be a meaningful process. It is a place -- perhaps even the place -- where the sacred waits to be discovered. There is a One that reveals itself to us within and behind the great diversity of life. That One is Being itself, the constant in the endlessly changing evolutionary parade. Viewed from our end of the process, the search that leads to such discovery of that One is our human quest for meaning.

But turned around, seen from the perspective of the constantly evolving life-energy, evolution can be seen as an ongoing process of revelation or self-manifestation. We discover; it reveals. It reveals; we discover. As the human mind advances (from our point of view), understanding more of the structure, process, and history of the ever-evolving One, we are being given (from its point of view) ever greater insight into who we are and how we got here.

This ongoing self-disclosure is the result of a deep and mysterious inner drive, the force of Being directed from within, however imperfectly and stumblingly, to manifest itself ever more fully, in ever more diverse, complex, and interesting ways. That has caused it to bring about, in the long and slow course of its evolution, the emergence of a mind that can reflect upon the process, articulate it, and strive toward the life of complete awareness that will fulfill its purpose. Here on this smallish planet in the middle of an otherwise undistinguished galaxy, something so astonishing has taken place that it indeed demands to be called by the biblical term "miracle," rather than by the Greco-Latin "nature," even though the two are pointing to the exact same set of facts. The descendents of one-celled creatures grew and developed, emerged onto dry land, learned survival skills, and developed language and thought, until a subset of them could reflect on the nature of this entire process and seek to derive meaning from it.

The coming to be of "higher" or more complex forms of life, and eventually of humanity, is not brought about by the specific and conscious planning of what is sometimes called "intelligent design." But neither is it random and therefore inherently without meaning. It is rather the result of an inbuilt movement within the whole of being, the underlying dynamism of existence striving to be manifest ever more fully in minds that it brings forth and inhabits, through the emergence of increasingly complex and reflective selves. I think of that underlying One in immanent terms, a being or life force that dwells within the universe and all its forms, rather than a Creator from beyond who forms a world that is "other" and separate from its own Self. This One -- the only One that truly is -- lies within and behind all the diverse forms of being that have existed since the beginning of time; it is the single Being (as the Hebrew name Y-H-W-H indicates) clothed in each individual being and encompassing them all.

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Communicate with the divine?
Communicating with what you call the "divine" can only be done via trance when the individual's awakened consciousness merges with the archetypal consciousness of the being that it calls the divine .
I don't know what you mean by the divine.
Is that the absolute?
The absolute is very different from God or a being that styles itself as G-d/God.
If it's a single being (among numerous rival beings) that you worship, as it has to be given the teachings of the scripture, then that's your exclusive idea of the divine.
Each faith has its own being or a mass of beings that believers worship.
"The absolute is very different from God or a being that styles itself as G-d/God..."

Thats a matter of articulation and limitations of using language.

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"Each faith has its own being or a mass of beings that believers worship..."

Your outside-looking-in interpretations of other religions are very pagan, and undoubtably colored by your predisposition to understand thing from the framework of your Indian back ground.

Why cant you accept that many religions are in fact monotheistic, and furthermore, the only reason they are not exactly monistic is somewhat because of language issues, and somewhat because the masses are more suited for activity than meditation?

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Communicate with the divine?
Communicating with what you call the "divine" can only be done via trance when the individual's awakened consciousness merges with the archetypal consciousness of the being that it calls the divine
There is a huge debate among the theoreticians whether a consciousness merge is actually a merge or a cleaving. That is a matter of personal opinion, as far as I am concerned. And probably it was really a merge, noone would be able to return to tell us about it.

There are billions of techniques to alter ones consciousness (i.e. trance). Thats why shamanism and meditation are found cross culturally.
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There is a One that reveals itself to us within and behind the great diversity of life.
The Ultimate Reality is not One Being as that would make the entire thing too personal.

Absolute or the Ultimate Reality is beyond both personality and impersonality and is a System or a Unified Field that serves as the material as well as efficient source of the Manifestation.

Consciousness and Energy are the only tangibles on any plane of existence whether gross or subtle and so it is logical to conclude that the ultimate reality is a system or a unified field of consciousness-energy in their highest unified poises and that this unified field has, in partial manifestation via an inherent causal mechanism, given rise to the graduated cosmos.
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But turned around, seen from the perspective of the constantly evolving life-energy, evolution can be seen as an ongoing process of revelation or self-manifestation.
Incorrect.

Life-energy/the Vital is the most inferior range of the manifested unified field of consciousness-energy that just exceeds Matter.

Inferior to Matter is the Inconscient - the domain of the Involution of the manifested totality.

Life-energy exceeds Matter but is inferior to the Mind range of cosmic consciousness-energy.

The Cosmic Mind Plane has several ranges and exceeding the Cosmic Mind Plane are the Supramental ranges of consciousness-energy and exceeding the Supramental are still subtler ranges until one arrives at the peak Cosmic plane and exits the cosmic planes altogether to merge with the Supracosmic ranges and further beyond the Supracosmic ranges is the Supreme Causal Mechanism, beyond the Supreme Causal Mechanism is the manifest aspect of the Unified Field of Consciousness-Energy and beyond the Unified Field of Consciousness-Energy is the unmanifest aspect of the Unified Field of Consciousness-Energy.
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This ongoing self-disclosure is the result of a deep and mysterious inner drive, the force of Being directed from within, however imperfectly and stumblingly, to manifest itself ever more fully, in ever more diverse, complex, and interesting ways.
Incorrect.

The activation and emergence of a specific range of consciousness-energy from the domain of the Involution that is inferior to the Gross Material range of consciousness-energy acts in this manner - first, there has to occur a push towards emergence of the specific range of consciousness-energy from its involved state and at the same time there has to be a response from the corresponding range of consciousness-energy from its native dimension that stands above the state of involution.

When the descending range of consciousness-energy from above unites with the ascending range of consciousness-energy of the same kind from below then and only then does the particular range of consciousness-energy manifest in the earth matter and gradually expresses its innate nature and becomes an integral part of the earth nature.

Besides, each emergent range of consciousness-energy materializes from within out its own unique form on the earth plane as it emerges in the two-fold as narrated above.

This is the brief description of the two-fold mechanism of devolution-involution-evolutio n.
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I think of that underlying One in immanent terms, a being or life force that dwells within the universe and all its forms, rather than a Creator from beyond who forms a world that is "other" and separate from its own Self.
Incorrect.

The ultimate reality is neither immanent nor extra-cosmic but it is the Manifestation or the Cosmos itself.

An immanence would mean that the origin is different from the substance and dynamics of the manifestation/cosmos and so it would mean that this origin somehow created the materials and energies from nothing and then infused the creation to guide it from within.

The origin is the source of the materials as well as of the energy - the materials/energies are its own substance - and as such the origin has partially manifested itself and its manifested substance itself forms the graduated cosmos and guides it functionally through an innate causal mechanism.

The origin which is a unified field of consciousness-energy has various poises - immanent, transcendent and absolute - in its unmanifest as well as manifest state.

The origin in manifestation itself becomes the cosmos.
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Why cant you accept that many religions are in fact monotheistic...
Monotheism means the worship of one being among several others who are its rivals.

This is why we read in the monotheistic scriptures serious threats issued by a particular being against worshipping other gods (its rival beings).

"I am a jealous being (G-d)!".

These are the inferior cults of the world that have ensnared in their nets billions of myopic followers with each bunch of deluded followers believing that a particular being that it worships (to the exclusion of all other beings) is the Supreme God or whatever and the being worshipped loves arrogating to itself the grand title of the Supreme Ruler and Supreme Creator of the universe. LOL.
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they are not exactly monistic...
Monism is far superior to monotheism but it is flawed in its highest reach as explained in a previous post a few days ago.
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meditation
Meditation on the activated archetypal mantra/vibration is one method of merging in the plane of existence that the mantra personifies either as sound or as mechanism of sound. There are other superior methods of entering the 200 odd trance states....I am not revealing the details now.
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And probably it was really a merge, no one would be able to return to tell us about it.
Who said that no one would return to tell of the union of the subject with the object in consciousness-energy?

The aim is to cause the plane of consciousness-energy in which the individual's activated consciousness-energy has united to descend and infuse the individual's human equivalents of mind, vital, subtle physical, gross physical and subconscient to bring about radical changes in being.

To make the trance state (of whatever degree) the permanent state of consciousness at all times is the aim.

There are 200 odd trance states.....

And more...
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That's why shamanism.....
Shamanism can only take the individual's consciousness as high as the lower vital plane where one encounters all kinds of vital beings usually the adverse ones. The major Asuras are in the higher vital plane though they're in full control of the lower vital as well.

So, shamanism is highly inferior and dangerous.

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Monotheism means the worship of one being among several others who are its rivals.
This is why we read in the monotheistic scriptures serious threats issued by a particular being against worshipping other gods (its rival beings).
"I am a jealous being (G-d)!"..
Incorrect

By being literalistic you are missing the lesson
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<quoted text>These are the inferior cults of the world that have ensnared in their nets billions of myopic followers with each bunch of deluded followers believing that a particular being that it worships (to the exclusion of all other beings) is the Supreme God or whatever and the being worshipped loves arrogating to itself the grand title of the Supreme Ruler and Supreme Creator of the universe. LOL.
Thats not the error of these cults. The error is that they preach nonbrotherly love to those who have different labels.

By labeling some inferior you have just elevated your own God to above the fray - see the irony? You are the pagan, not them.

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Meditation on the activated archetypal mantra/vibration is one method of merging in the plane of existence that the mantra personifies either as sound or as mechanism of sound. There are other superior methods of entering the 200 odd trance states....I am not revealing the details now.
Sheez, you are not as special as you think you are. Google and Amazon.Com will reveal just as many methods as you can.

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Shamanism can only take the individual's consciousness as high as the lower vital plane where one encounters all kinds of vital beings usually the adverse ones. The major Asuras are in the higher vital plane though they're in full control of the lower vital as well.
So, shamanism is highly inferior and dangerous.
Speculation and opinion
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CORRECTION:

The ultimate reality is neither immanent nor extra-cosmic but it is the ORIGIN OF THE Manifestation or the Cosmos itself.
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POST # 49146:

HERE IS THE CORRECTED VERSION:

The ultimate reality is neither immanent nor extra-cosmic but it is the ORIGIN OF THE Manifestation or the Cosmos itself.

An immanence would mean that the origin is different from the substance and dynamics of the manifestation/cosmos and so it would mean that this origin somehow created the materials and energies from nothing and then infused the creation to guide it from within.

The origin is the source of the materials as well as of the energy - the materials/energies are its own substance - and as such the origin has partially manifested itself and its manifested substance itself forms the graduated cosmos and guides it functionally through an innate causal mechanism.

The origin which is a unified field of consciousness-energy has various poises - immanent, transcendent and absolute - in its unmanifest as well as manifest state.

The origin in manifestation itself becomes the cosmos.

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Who said that no one would return to tell of the union of the subject with the object in consciousness-energy?
The aim is to cause the plane of consciousness-energy in which the individual's activated consciousness-energy has united to descend and infuse the individual's human equivalents of mind, vital, subtle physical, gross physical and subconscient to bring about radical changes in being.
To make the trance state (of whatever degree) the permanent state of consciousness at all times is the aim.
There are 200 odd trance states.....
And more...
Like I said, it is a matter of semantics to describe different states of consciousness.

Considering you and I have no real way to describe the qualitative states of our own states of consciousness in a meaningful way to share them to each other, why do you think anyone can accurately describe or compare what might happen pre- and post- with a more intensive trance?

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I am not going to put effort into rebutting your comments on the article I posted - this isnt my intent. Its all a matter of subjective opinion anyhow.

My intent was to post an alternative framework.
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Incorrect

By being literalistic you are missing the lesson
How come?

Monotheism means the worship of just one being among numerous beings.

Don't YHVH, Allah and other inferior beings warn their respective followers of severe punishment if they happen to worship other gods/beings?

This clearly shows that YHVH and Allah with their anthropathetic traits wish to be the dominant being over and above their rivals (other beings).

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