Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

Frijoles wrote:

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As Jews, we are familiar to the riddle approach - thats how we study Torah. We are intellectually oriented.
That said, there used to be added complications to unlocking the nondualistic traditions within, for the written aspect of it one had to actually FIND a teacher, be over 30 and married (for grounding) and male(before feminism became popular).
Now, thanks to the 60s,70s and 80s we have a whole generation of teachers out there who are not difficult to find, plus the internet and Amazon, so the stuff is easily available though to study it in the primary text still requires a real background. But things have changed. And ironically, the authors I cited, Michaelson and Green, are probably at the forefront at making it available to the wider Jewish public.

rabbee: although there is no difficulty, in finding a teacher. the difficulty is finding one, who is actually true to G-D. otherwise it is just another lesson, in someone elses vanity.

[JOEL]

Frijoles wrote:

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Focus instead on the practice and what that means.

So, by now, your years of intense practice must surely have conferred on you dozens of direct experiences in subtle states of consciousness though I don't know how what you call practice would take your consciousness into the higher cosmic planes.

So, if you stress on practice then do answer the following questions that would reveal how deep, intense or meaningful your religious practices are.

A person of intense practice will be familiar via direct experiences with all of the following:

1) Explain the process of merging in consciousness and energy with the 2nd plane, 4th plane, 14th plane, 21st plane of the cosmic manifestation.

2) Describe the phenomena perceived on the 4th plane of the cosmic hierarchy.

3) What is meant by nondualism?

4) How is nondualism achieved?

5) What're the characteristic signs of one established in the nondual consciousness?

6) What're the various gradations of nondualism?

7) How does one enter trance?

8) How many kinds of trance states exist?

9) What're the limitations of nondualism?

10) How does realization differ from experience and from transformation?

11) What're the various planes of the Manifestation? Give the details.

12) What is the ultimate reality?

13) How does the self differ from the soul?

14) Where are the stations of the self and soul in the individual?

15) What is meant by being?

16) What're the higher planes that exceed being? Why are they not included in being? How can they be be attained to? How can these superior planes of consciousness and energy be made a part of being? What will be the consequences?

17) How is it possible to stand back from the planes of the Manifestation?

18) What is the fundamental difference between standing back from the Manifestation and coming altogether out of the Manifestation?

19) What could exist when one comes altogether out of the Manifestation? Is this the ultimate reality? Or are they still further states? Explain.

20) What is the difference between a monopolar vibration and a bipolar vibration?

21) Why is dualism a false teaching?

PS: If you cannot any of the following questions correctly, it would only reveal the hollowness of your religious practices that you claim is a pathway to the divine.

A man of direct mystical experience will be capable of answering all the above questions with ease since his answers will be based on direct experiences.

Thank you.

[JOEL]

CORRECTION:

PS: If you cannot ANSWER any of the following questions correctly, it would only reveal the hollowness of your religious practices that you claim is a pathway to the divine.

[Frijoles]

JOEL wrote:

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All technologies are not equally constituted, right?
So, all spiritual technologies are not equally efficient.
The efficiency of a spiritual technology would be revealed by its power to investigate the various grades of the Manifestation as well as the Source of the Manifestation through a direct union in consciousness and energy of the subject with the object.
1) So, how does one come into direct contact with the 3rd or 21st planes of cosmic consciousness?
2) What is the spiritual technology you would employ to revive a dead organism?
3) By what spiritual means would you simultaneously manifest in 5 different locations without leaving your seat?
4) What spiritual technology would you use to make your physical body immortal and invincible?

Its a personal thing. One size does not fit all.

regarding your 4 questions, that is not within the realm of spirituality. That is in the realm of parlor tricks (i.e. magic).

[Frijoles]

JOEL wrote:

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So, by now, your years of intense practice must surely have conferred on you dozens of direct experiences in subtle states of consciousness though I don't know how what you call practice would take your consciousness into the higher cosmic planes.
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That's your goal, not mine. You are projecting again.

[JOEL]

BASIC SPIRITUAL QUESTIONS THAT WOULD REVEAL THE DEPTH OF ONE'S SPIRITUAL PRACTICES:

A person of intense spiritual practice will be familiar via direct experiences with all of the following questions:

1) Explain the process of merging in consciousness and energy with the 2nd plane, 4th plane, 14th plane, 21st plane of the cosmic manifestation.

2) Describe the phenomena perceived on the 4th plane of the cosmic hierarchy.

3) What is meant by nondualism?

4) How is nondualism achieved?

5) What're the characteristic signs of one established in the nondual consciousness?

6) What're the various gradations of nondualism?

7) How does one enter trance?

8) How many kinds of trance states exist?

9) What're the limitations of nondualism?

10) How does realization differ from experience and from transformation?

11) What're the various planes of the Manifestation? Give the details.

12) What is the ultimate reality?

13) How does the self differ from the soul?

14) Where are the stations of the self and soul in the individual?

15) What is meant by being?

16) What're the higher planes that exceed being? Why are they not included in being? How can they be be attained to? How can these superior planes of consciousness and energy be made a part of being? What will be the consequences?

17) How is it possible to stand back from the planes of the Manifestation?

18) What is the fundamental difference between standing back from the Manifestation and coming altogether out of the Manifestation?

19) What could exist when one comes altogether out of the Manifestation? Is this the ultimate reality? Or are they still further states? Explain.

20) What is the difference between a monopolar vibration and a bipolar vibration?

21) Why is dualism a false teaching?

[Frijoles]

JOEL wrote:

CORRECTION:
PS: If you cannot ANSWER any of the following questions correctly, it would only reveal the hollowness of your religious practices that you claim is a pathway to the divine.

Thats your metric, not mine.

One that you appear to be using to pump yourself up.

[Frijoles]

Joel, I don't see much difference between you and some of the fundamentalist evangelical Christians we get here from time to time.

[Frijoles]

JOEL wrote:

BASIC SPIRITUAL QUESTIONS THAT WOULD REVEAL THE DEPTH OF ONE'S SPIRITUAL PRACTICES:

I really got to you, didnt I?

Admit it, you are a HUGE fish in a small bowl of your own manifestation.

[JOEL]

Frijoles wrote:

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regarding your 4 questions, that is not within the realm of spirituality. That is in the realm of parlor tricks (i.e. magic).

LOL.

So, you cannot answer a single question which shows Judaism in a very poor light. Expected.

Killing one's opponents, sacrificing animals, body mutilations, enslaving weaker people, raping women, sectarianism, stoning to death heretics/disobedient sons, bashing babies to death on rocks, abusing and other such evils are not even religion and form no part of spirituality.

[JOEL]

Frijoles wrote:

Joel, I don't see much difference between you and some of the fundamentalist evangelical Christians we get here from time to time.

Papa dear,

Those questions are of a mystical kind and can be correctly answered only by those with sufficient mystical experiences.

I put those elementary questions to you as I just wanted to know how deeply spiritual you are and what the depth of your tall claims about your spiritual practices really are.

Anyway, I wasn't expecting a single correct answer from you.

Why, even Avram, Daniel, Elijah, Moshe or Yeshu wouldn't be capable of answering most of these questions.

Those were very basic questions to test one's spiritual knowledge based on mystical experiences.

Relax.

[JOEL]

DEEP SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCES:

1) EXPERIENCING the cosmic wideness.

2) EXPERIENCING the cosmic calm through the union of the psychic with the backdrop cosmic self.

3) EXPERIENCING the Many as aspects of That.

4) EXPERIENCING the Supermind in its deepest Gnostic nature and knowing how it relates to the unified truth-consciousness and causation of the lower planes.

5) EXPERIENCING how the Supermind Connects with the Cosmic Bliss.

6) EXPERIENCING the Supracosmic Self.

and so on...

[JOEL]

In the ultimate analysis and experience, nondualism is limited....

[JOEL]

Dualism, qualified nondualism, nondualism... what comes next?

[JOEL]

Experience is everything, rituals count for nothing.

[JOEL]

No devolution, no involution.

[JOEL]

No involution, no evolution.

[JOEL]

DO SCIENCE & MYSTICISM COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER?

MYSTICISM IS THE MOTHER OF ALL SCIENCES.

An average grade mystic, even a mystic in contact with any of the adverse vital beings, can reveal everything that is to be known about matter and its processes and besides he has the power of manipulating all the so-called ineluctable natural laws.

Advanced mystics go far beyond....

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

Frijoles wrote:

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I really got to you, didnt I?
Admit it, you are a HUGE fish in a small bowl of your own manifestation.

rabbee: and those fish, who swim in their own excrement. shall be called, politicians. with a lot of fancy fish bowl words, going nowhere at all. dung unto others, as you would have them dung unto you.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

JOEL wrote:

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LOL.
So, you cannot answer a single question which shows Judaism in a very poor light. Expected.
Killing one's opponents, sacrificing animals, body mutilations, enslaving weaker people, raping women, sectarianism, stoning to death heretics/disobedient sons, bashing babies to death on rocks, abusing and other such evils are not even religion and form no part of spirituality.

rabbee: questions! nah ain't going to wear, your loaded suicide vests. to even attempt to answer, and errant question. is to give validity, to the error.