Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

[Gtown71]

JOEL wrote:

PETTY BEING & LOWLY PROPHETS:
Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, YHVH, El, Allah and other petty beings and prophets were clueless about the true soul in the human being and they mistook the life force for the true soul.

I just bought a book, "PROFF OF HEAVEN ". I've not read it yet, but you may or may not find it interesting.

It talks about what happened to a doctor one day.

He talks about the condition his brain was in, with medicsl proff to back it up.
Maybe you can check it out?

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

Voluntarist wrote:

<quoted text>
The irs is the collection agency for the federal reserve, wasteful on purpose.

rabbee: they collect the revenue for the federal government to operate. they do not directly work, for the federal reserve. the federal reserve, is not actually part of the federal government.

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

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"religion based on behavioral practices?"
Sounds like the tail wagging the dog?
Wouldn't the faith/religion have to come first?
Otherwise why the specifice behavior/practice?

a. I wouldnt underestimate the importance of rote (i.e. habitual) behavior over conscious (i.e. faith inspired) effort.

b. The poster was noting that Jews in his town seemed to be in a world apart from him. What he was probably reacting to was the different behaviors (i.e. modes of dress, sociality, eating etc etc) more so than belief because I am assuming he never really got into a deep conversation with any of them regarding their beliefs.

c. I know we have discussed this topic many times before and I agree that faith is the cornerstone, however (and as I have probably said a few times before) most forms of Judaism - emphasize ritual and behavior more so non Catholic forms of Christianity, and as a result the word "faith" doesnt represent the totality or the essence of the practice - therefore a lot of Jews (maybe not all) when they hear the word "faith" they understand that to be how Christians understand Jews, but not how Jews understand Jews.

d. From a pure logic point of view you of course have a valid point, with the caveats above.

[former res]

Voluntarist wrote:

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That all depends on whether you will concede that the bomb squad was at okc before the bomb went off, seems like we cant get past the first fact without you derailing the convrsation because you seem to have some point to make about building 7.

I don't know the details of the timeline of events at OKC.

I've never heard anything credible about it being an inside job.

You're the first person I've personally communicated with who thinks otherwise.

Or do you simply have questions?

I accept the official story (note the last sentence):

The official investigation, known as "OKBOMB", was the largest criminal investigation case in American history; FBI agents conducted 28,000 interviews, amassing 3.5 short tons (3.2 t) of evidence, and collected nearly one billion pieces of information.[13][14][15] The bombers were tried and convicted in 1997. McVeigh was executed by lethal injection on June 11, 2001, and Nichols was sentenced to life in prison. Michael and Lori Fortier testified against McVeigh and Nichols; Michael was sentenced to 12 years in prison for failing to warn the U.S. government, and Lori received immunity from prosecution in exchange for her testimony. As with other large-scale terrorist attacks, conspiracy theories dispute the official claims and allege the involvement of additional perpetrators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bo...

[former res]

Frijoles wrote:

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a. I wouldnt underestimate the importance of rote (i.e. habitual) behavior over conscious (i.e. faith inspired) effort.
b. The poster was noting that Jews in his town seemed to be in a world apart from him. What he was probably reacting to was the different behaviors (i.e. modes of dress, sociality, eating etc etc) more so than belief because I am assuming he never really got into a deep conversation with any of them regarding their beliefs.
c. I know we have discussed this topic many times before and I agree that faith is the cornerstone, however (and as I have probably said a few times before) most forms of Judaism - emphasize ritual and behavior more so non Catholic forms of Christianity, and as a result the word "faith" doesnt represent the totality or the essence of the practice - therefore a lot of Jews (maybe not all) when they hear the word "faith" they understand that to be how Christians understand Jews, but not how Jews understand Jews.
d. From a pure logic point of view you of course have a valid point, with the caveats above.

A "fair and balanced" response - not to smear you with a Fox Newsism!

I can't disagree with one word of it.

[Frijoles]

former res wrote:

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A "fair and balanced" response - not to smear you with a Fox Newsism!
I can't disagree with one word of it.

Speaking of Fox Snooze...

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/05/12_most_despi...

12 most despicable things Fox News did in 2012

From producing its own anti-Obama video to spinning furiously on unemployment, the network had a banner year.

[former res]

Frijoles wrote:

<quoted text>
Speaking of Fox Snooze...
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/05/12_most_despi...
12 most despicable things Fox News did in 2012
From producing its own anti-Obama video to spinning furiously on unemployment, the network had a banner year.

When the unemployment figures came out the other day, there was headling on the Drudge Report:

"Unemployment UP TO 7.8%" [my caps]

I did a double-take until I realized most of their readers would be too dumb to know that was the same rate the previous month.

Same principle Fox News flourishes under.

PT Barnum had a quote about that....

[Voluntarist]

Gtown71 wrote:

<quoted text>
I just bought a book, "PROFF OF HEAVEN ". I've not read it yet, but you may or may not find it interesting.
It talks about what happened to a doctor one day.
He talks about the condition his brain was in, with medicsl proff to back it up.
Maybe you can check it out?

I read it, he was a skeptic turned into believer, he even has a psychic friend whome he didnt believe in until the event.
Doctors act the same way towards natural healing, they poo poo it since it isnt in their medical books.

[Voluntarist]

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

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rabbee: they collect the revenue for the federal government to operate. they do not directly work, for the federal reserve. the federal reserve, is not actually part of the federal government.

The tax they collect is just to service the debt, not for anything else.
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Humphrey, Secretary of the Treasury, July 9,
1953). However, no congressional or presidential
authorization for making this change has been
located, so the source of authority had to
originate elsewhere. Research to which IRS
officials have acquiesced suggests that the
Secretary exercised his authority as trustee of
Puerto Rico Trust #62 (Internal Revenue)(see 31
USC § 1321 ), and as will be demonstrated, the
Secretary does, in fact, operate as Secretary of the
Treasury, Puerto Rico.
The solid link between the Internal Revenue
Service and the Department of the Treasury,
Puerto Rico, was first published in the September
1995 issue of Veritas Magazine, based on research
by William Cooper and Wayne Bentson, both of
Arizona. In October, a criminal complaint was
filed in the office of W. A. Drew Edmondson,
attorney general for Oklahoma, against an Enid-
based revenue officer, and in the time since, IRS
principals have failed to refute the allegation that
IRS is an agency of the Department of Treasury,
Puerto Rico. In November, criminal complaints
were filed simultaneously with the grand jury for
the United States district court for the District of
Northern Oklahoma, Tulsa, and the office of
Attorney General Edmondson, and both the office
of the United States Attorney and IRS principals
have yet to rebut the allegations in that instance
(UNITED STATES OF AMERICA vs. Kenney F.
Moore, et al, 95 CR-129C).
By consulting the index for Chapter 3, Title 31 of
the United States Code, one finds that IRS and the
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms are not
listed as agencies of the United States Department
of the Treasury. The fact that Congress never
created a "Bureau of Internal Revenue" is
confirmed by publication in the Federal Register
at 36 F.R. 849-890 [C.B. 1971 - 1,698], 36 F.R.
11946 [C.B. 1971 - 2,577], and 37 F.R. 489-490;
and in Internal Revenue Manual 1100 at 1111.2.

[Voluntarist]

"100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal
Debt ... all
individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on
the services
taxpayers expect from government."
-Grace Commission report submitted to President Ronald Reagan -
January 15, 1984

[Voluntarist]

former res wrote:

<quoted text>
I don't know the details of the timeline of events at OKC.
I've never heard anything credible about it being an inside job.
You're the first person I've personally communicated with who thinks otherwise.
Or do you simply have questions?
I accept the official story (note the last sentence):
The official investigation, known as "OKBOMB", was the largest criminal investigation case in American history; FBI agents conducted 28,000 interviews, amassing 3.5 short tons (3.2 t) of evidence, and collected nearly one billion pieces of information.[13][14][15] The bombers were tried and convicted in 1997. McVeigh was executed by lethal injection on June 11, 2001, and Nichols was sentenced to life in prison. Michael and Lori Fortier testified against McVeigh and Nichols; Michael was sentenced to 12 years in prison for failing to warn the U.S. government, and Lori received immunity from prosecution in exchange for her testimony. As with other large-scale terrorist attacks, conspiracy theories dispute the official claims and allege the involvement of additional perpetrators.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bo...

As usual you and everyone else need nanny to tell you what happened when the facts are right in your face.
In regards to.buikding 7, it had all of the observable characteristics of a detonation, that is a fact.
"If only one person had seen it, or two or three ... but 24?" former FBI
veteran Danny Coulson told the authors. "Twenty four people say, yes,
I saw him with someone else? That's pretty powerful."
Three bombs inside the building
You probably never saw this.
Two big bombs were found INSIDE the Oklahoma City federal building
and defused.
These clips ran on local news live...and were never broadcast again.
There is no way a truck bomb regardless of size could have done the
damage that was done to that building.
The government's story is a complete lie and they know it.
The "terrorism expert" and the end of this clip Dr. Randall Heather was
never seen on TV again and can't be found on Google (except in relation
to this appearance.)
Rather than test the site to assess the exact composition of the bomb
material as Dr. Heather and USAF General Partin (ret) recommended, the
building was demolished and all the wreckage was removed to a fenced
in landfill and buried.
No tests were ever done.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/spin-1/okl...

[Voluntarist]

former res wrote:

<quoted text>
When the unemployment figures came out the other day, there was headling on the Drudge Report:
"Unemployment UP TO 7.8%" [my caps]
I did a double-take until I realized most of their readers would be too dumb to know that was the same rate the previous month.
Same principle Fox News flourishes under.
PT Barnum had a quote about that....

Perhaps they were comparing last years figure to this years figure?

[HughBe]

Voluntarist wrote:

<quoted text>
As usual you and everyone else need nanny to tell you what happened when the facts are right in your face.
In regards to.buikding 7, it had all of the observable characteristics of a detonation, that is a fact.
"If only one person had seen it, or two or three ... but 24?" former FBI
veteran Danny Coulson told the authors. "Twenty four people say, yes,
I saw him with someone else? That's pretty powerful."
Three bombs inside the building
You probably never saw this.
Two big bombs were found INSIDE the Oklahoma City federal building
and defused.
These clips ran on local news live...and were never broadcast again.
There is no way a truck bomb regardless of size could have done the
damage that was done to that building.
The government's story is a complete lie and they know it.
The "terrorism expert" and the end of this clip Dr. Randall Heather was
never seen on TV again and can't be found on Google (except in relation
to this appearance.)
Rather than test the site to assess the exact composition of the bomb
material as Dr. Heather and USAF General Partin (ret) recommended, the
building was demolished and all the wreckage was removed to a fenced
in landfill and buried.
No tests were ever done.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/spin-1/okl...

interesting info

[JOEL]

MECHANISM OF DEATH:

1) Matter or the physical range of Consciousness-Energy is the grossest aspect of the manifested unified field of Consciousness-Energy.

2) Friction among the flesh molecules and the clash of the various consciousnesses and energies in the body cause wear and tear of the body tissues and a concomitant lowering of the innate capacity to retain the finer aspects like the subtle physical, vital and mental energies.

3) The subtler ranges of consciousness-energy escape from the body leading to the condition called death.

[JOEL]

HOW CAN DEATH BE DEFEATED?

1) DEFEATING DEATH would involve a Herculean effort of infusing into the body the supramental or any other superior range of consciousness-energy where contradictions and the play of the opposites are replaced by a unified field of consciousnesses and forces which lead to a higher harmony thereby reducing friction and transforming matter to the extent that it can overcome the wear and tear caused by friction.

2) As a result the body tissues don't wear out and malfunction and besides the clash of the varied forces in the body is nullified and in place arises a new and higher harmony in which the principles of unification and complementarity pre-dominate and as such the finer consciousnesses and energies of the subtle physical, vital and mental are retained in the gross physical body resulting in physical immortality and a radical state of consciousness.

[JOEL]

Bye.

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

<quoted text>
interesting info

yes, it is all a Zionist conspiracy created and orchestrated by the Rabbis.

We should thank volunteerist for bring this to light.

[Voluntarist]

Frijoles wrote:

<quoted text>
yes, it is all a Zionist conspiracy created and orchestrated by the Rabbis.
We should thank volunteerist for bring this to light.

Perhaps you can share where you got that conspiracy theory? because those words did not come from me, did you make them up?

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

Voluntarist wrote:

<quoted text>
The tax they collect is just to service the debt, not for anything else.
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301, Federal Rules of
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allegation or matter of law addressed herein. The
position will be construed as adequate to meet
requirements of judicial notice, thus preserving
fundamental law. Matters addressed herein, if not
rebutted, will be construed to have general
application. A true and correct copy of this Public
Notice is on file with and available for inspection
at the newspaper responsible for publishing the
instrument as legal notice. The memorandum
addresses the character of the Internal Revenue
Service and other agencies of the Department of
the Treasury, and legal application of the Internal
Revenue Code.
1. IRS Identity & Principal of Interest
In 1953, the Internal Revenue Service was created
by the stroke of a pen when the Secretary of the
Treasury changed the name of the Bureau of
Internal Revenue (T.O. No. 150-29, G.M.
Humphrey, Secretary of the Treasury, July 9,
1953). However, no congressional or presidential
authorization for making this change has been
located, so the source of authority had to
originate elsewhere. Research to which IRS
officials have acquiesced suggests that the
Secretary exercised his authority as trustee of
Puerto Rico Trust #62 (Internal Revenue)(see 31
USC § 1321 ), and as will be demonstrated, the
Secretary does, in fact, operate as Secretary of the
Treasury, Puerto Rico.
The solid link between the Internal Revenue
Service and the Department of the Treasury,
Puerto Rico, was first published in the September
1995 issue of Veritas Magazine, based on research
by William Cooper and Wayne Bentson, both of
Arizona. In October, a criminal complaint was
filed in the office of W. A. Drew Edmondson,
attorney general for Oklahoma, against an Enid-
based revenue officer, and in the time since, IRS
principals have failed to refute the allegation that
IRS is an agency of the Department of Treasury,
Puerto Rico. In November, criminal complaints
were filed simultaneously with the grand jury for
the United States district court for the District of
Northern Oklahoma, Tulsa, and the office of
Attorney General Edmondson, and both the office
of the United States Attorney and IRS principals
have yet to rebut the allegations in that instance
(UNITED STATES OF AMERICA vs. Kenney F.
Moore, et al, 95 CR-129C).
By consulting the index for Chapter 3, Title 31 of
the United States Code, one finds that IRS and the
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms are not
listed as agencies of the United States Department
of the Treasury. The fact that Congress never
created a "Bureau of Internal Revenue" is
confirmed by publication in the Federal Register
at 36 F.R. 849-890 [C.B. 1971 - 1,698], 36 F.R.
11946 [C.B. 1971 - 2,577], and 37 F.R. 489-490;
and in Internal Revenue Manual 1100 at 1111.2.

rabbee: sorry but what is collected by the irs, is for the whole budget. including paying, on the reserve debt. which includes the automatic deductions, of income and social security from paychecks. nor does it matter, which branch of government established it without proper authorization. it! exists. all war taxes, are by executive order. and essencially, this is what it is. and excuse to make trouble, in the world at war.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

Voluntarist wrote:

"100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal
Debt ... all
individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on
the services
taxpayers expect from government."
-Grace Commission report submitted to President Ronald Reagan -
January 15, 1984

rabbee: though i am sure, you believe everything your government idolatry lies to you about. the fact still remains, the government cannot continue to operate at its current level. without collecting, taxes. and about 1/3 of the collected taxes, is used to pay the federal reserve to stave off the loan sharks. and the irs, consumes about 28 - 30% collecting taxes. which does not leave but about, a third left to, oprerate the government. and if they borrow more from the loan sharks, to run the governments overspending habits. then it is nothing but an economic disaster, waiting to happen.