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So let us go ahead with our discussion. Who is nutter and who is corrupt.
How to identify them and isolate them, so people can have peace in the land.
Based on what I have learnt from being on the forum I believe that the rabbis are the NUTTIES and the most CORRUPT.

Frijoles,the Judaite, a member of their CORRUPRED religion JUDAISM called them NUTTY and CORRUPT. Now that confession was not done lightly. Don't expect more honesty from him for a long time as his religion JUDAISM DOES NOT place a premium on HONESTY.

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http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000...
Black persons, percent, 2011 (a) 13.1%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino Origin, percent, 2011 (b) 16.7%
Muslim Population 1.8%
http://www.muslimpopulation.com/America/
Jewish Polulation 2.1%
http://www.jewishdatabank.org/PopulationStati...
In case it escaped you, we have a BLACK president who, if it wasnt for the HISPANIC vote, in all likelihood would not have been reelected. That speaks for itself.
1. Do your statistics cancel MUQ's point? Recall his point, "Even though Muslims and Blacks and Hispanic are same in numbers as Jews, but No US president makes any "vow" to them for the safety, security and protection of them."

2. What is MUQ's point?

3. Please answer MUQ's questions below.

Why every US president has to make a "bow" to ensure Security and safety of Isreal? Why? Is Isreal part of USA?
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Frijoles, what is clear to me is that you qualify to be a rabbi as you are not particularly bright.
I KNOW about JUDAISM e.g. currently it teaches that a person's Jewish identity is determined by a Jewish BIOLOGICAL mother and this is BS.
Thank you for your opinion.

Moving on...
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Tell me Einstein, do the Jews who do not speak Hebrew know anything about JUDAISM?
You would have to ask them.
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1. Do your statistics cancel MUQ's point? Recall his point, "Even though Muslims and Blacks and Hispanic are same in numbers as Jews, but No US president makes any "vow" to them for the safety, security and protection of them."
2. What is MUQ's point?
3. Please answer MUQ's questions below.
Why every US president has to make a "bow" to ensure Security and safety of Isreal? Why? Is Isreal part of USA?
You know, not every post has to have an argument.
Muq made some statements - I truthed them.

If there was a greater point, it would be MUQs continued ignorance about my country.

Are you still gay?
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Based on what I have learnt from being on the forum I believe that the rabbis are the NUTTIES and the most CORRUPT.
Frijoles,the Judaite, a member of their CORRUPRED religion JUDAISM called them NUTTY and CORRUPT. Now that confession was not done lightly. Don't expect more honesty from him for a long time as his religion JUDAISM DOES NOT place a premium on HONESTY.
You are on a tear.

Whats you next step? Are you going to tar and feather a real life JEW?
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HugBe---I am reincarnated and yet I have no knowledge of it yet others know about MY OWN experience/reincarnation.
Frijoles---So, thats your litmus test for certainty?
HughBe--- It certainly is a part of my litmus test. I know that you accept the words of others who tell you about your own EXPERIENCES that YOU have no knowledge of. Why? Because you are a BLASTED ASS.
Frijoles---I KNOW you were a dung beetle in your last life.
HughBe-- in your previous lives you were pure BS. In this live you are CHICKEN Sh..
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Hey Judging Fan!

Wake up? I miss you!

Allah knows best!
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Hmmm...
Did Israel once depart from Judah in rebellion against God? Were they then no longer Jews? It seems God promised to redeem the children of Abraham from whatever mistakes they were to make. He even brought Judah out of their own captivity. I am confident he will bring us all out of the mistakes we are willing to repent of. Surely all Israel looks for Messiah, and these have believed in one candidate. They take the opportunity to repent as David did, and hope the name of Yeshua is a key to acceptance and life. We should all be willing to repent of violence and find such hope.
We know that God can speak for himself, and that he will in his time. Who is Messiah? Look for examples in Torah; they demonstrate his nature and desire for us. Joseph forgave his brothers and Potipher as well even when he had the power to avenge. He was presumed dead and returned in power! Solomon disguised himself as a common shepherd and claimed a bride who had lived in service of others. A king who leaves his throne for a lowly commoner? But what would a man named Luther know?
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David Isaac Luther wrote:
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Did Israel once depart from Judah in rebellion against God? Were they then no longer Jews? It seems God promised to redeem the children of Abraham from whatever mistakes they were to make. He even brought Judah out of their own captivity. I am confident he will bring us all out of the mistakes we are willing to repent of. Surely all Israel looks for Messiah, and these have believed in one candidate. They take the opportunity to repent as David did, and hope the name of Yeshua is a key to acceptance and life. We should all be willing to repent of violence and find such hope.
We know that God can speak for himself, and that he will in his time. Who is Messiah? Look for examples in Torah; they demonstrate his nature and desire for us. Joseph forgave his brothers and Potipher as well even when he had the power to avenge. He was presumed dead and returned in power! Solomon disguised himself as a common shepherd and claimed a bride who had lived in service of others. A king who leaves his throne for a lowly commoner? But what would a man named Luther know?
Luther: What a nice name for a nice Jewish boy.
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1. Do your statistics cancel MUQ's point? Recall his point, "Even though Muslims and Blacks and Hispanic are same in numbers as Jews, but No US president makes any "vow" to them for the safety, security and protection of them."
2. What is MUQ's point?
3. Please answer MUQ's questions below.
Why every US president has to make a "bow" to ensure Security and safety of Isreal? Why? Is Isreal part of USA?
rabbee: maybe because they, are not as stupid as muslems. and realize G-D does not like those, who are against jews just because they are jews. and that those nations against, the re-establishment of Ysrael, are going to suffer even more syria like.

what is the point of G-D even hating jews, if G-D hates you even worse than the jews? then they do not have to outrun G-D, as long as they can outrun you.
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Thank you for your opinion.
Moving on...
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You would have to ask them.
Frijoles---And with the translations come the multiple interpretations.such as yours.next time dont make the error declaring you know anything about the Jewish religion by your participation on this forum

HUghBe--I KNOW about JUDAISM e.g. currently it teaches that a person's Jewish identity is determined by a Jewish BIOLOGICAL mother and this is BS.

Frijoles--Thank you for your opinion.

HughBe--- It is NOT an opinion. Do you have access to a dictionary?

Also those Judaites who don't know hebrew do they have "multiple interpretations.such as" I do? When they read the Complete Jewish Bible on-line do they see a different set of English words than what I see?

Do they "make the error (OF) declaring (THAT THEY) know anything about the Jewish religion"? Or is the error only made by non-Jews in the IDENTICAL position as them?

HughBe---Tell me Einstein, do the Jews who do not speak Hebrew know anything about JUDAISM?

Frijoles---You would have to ask them.

HughBe--- I don't blame you given the total nonsense that you wrote above.
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Frijoles wrote:
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You know, not every post has to have an argument.
Muq made some statements - I truthed them.
If there was a greater point, it would be MUQs continued ignorance about my country.
Are you still gay?
AGAIN---

1. Do your statistics cancel MUQ's point? Recall his point, "Even though Muslims and Blacks and Hispanic are same in numbers as Jews, but No US president makes any "vow" to them for the safety, security and protection of them."
2. What is MUQ's point?
3. Please answer MUQ's questions below.
Why every US president has to make a "bow" to ensure Security and safety of Isreal? Why? Is Isreal part of USA?

Frijoles---Are you still gay?

HughBe--- YES, in the sense that it was used in the good old days BUT NOT in the modern way or in the way that YOU are.
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You are on a tear.
Whats you next step? Are you going to tar and feather a real life JEW?
1.Listen here BOY, history and the record shows that YOU called your rabbis NUTTY and CORRUPT.

2. Your rabbis are Jews and that is clear but not all Jews are rabbis. Were YOU calling the Jewish people CORRUPT and NUTTY or were you calling your masters/rabbis CORRUPT? Please clarify.

3. To tar and feather people takes EVIL hearts and so I will leave that to YOU and your rabbis.
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Frijoles---And with the translations come the multiple interpretations.such as yours.next time dont make the error declaring you know anything about the Jewish religion by your participation on this forum
HUghBe--I KNOW about JUDAISM e.g. currently it teaches that a person's Jewish identity is determined by a Jewish BIOLOGICAL mother and this is BS.
Frijoles--Thank you for your opinion.
HughBe--- It is NOT an opinion. Do you have access to a dictionary?
Also those Judaites who don't know hebrew do they have "multiple interpretations.such as" I do? When they read the Complete Jewish Bible on-line do they see a different set of English words than what I see?
Do they "make the error (OF) declaring (THAT THEY) know anything about the Jewish religion"? Or is the error only made by non-Jews in the IDENTICAL position as them?
HughBe---Tell me Einstein, do the Jews who do not speak Hebrew know anything about JUDAISM?
Frijoles---You would have to ask them.
HughBe--- I don't blame you given the total nonsense that you wrote above.
You take yourself much too seriously.
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1.Listen here BOY, history and the record shows that YOU called your rabbis NUTTY and CORRUPT.
2. Your rabbis are Jews and that is clear but not all Jews are rabbis. Were YOU calling the Jewish people CORRUPT and NUTTY or were you calling your masters/rabbis CORRUPT? Please clarify.
3. To tar and feather people takes EVIL hearts and so I will leave that to YOU and your rabbis.
Incorrect. Scroll back. I called the state Rabbinate nutty and corrupt. They are not my Rabbis. I guess that concept is difficult for a bird brain to follow. Lets try it this way: Do you follow the pope?
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1. Do your statistics cancel MUQ's point? Recall his point, "Even though Muslims and Blacks and Hispanic are same in numbers as Jews, but No US president makes any "vow" to them for the safety, security and protection of them."
2. What is MUQ's point?
3. Please answer MUQ's questions below.
Why every US president has to make a "bow" to ensure Security and safety of Isreal? Why? Is Isreal part of USA?
Are you now reduced to BEGGING me to converse with you?

You are sad.
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Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-3

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : KHALID BIN WALEED BIN MUGHAIRAH,‘SWORD OF ALLAH’

A. Early History:

He was son of Waleed bin Mughiarah, a well known chief of Makkah. His father was a very wealthy person and had position of importance in Makkah. He brought up Khalid and other sons, with lot of care and diligence. Khalid soon became a very accomplished soldier and military strategist.

His Mother was the sister of one of prophet’s wives, so the prophet was also his uncle my marriage.

When prophet declared his mission, his father became one of its staunchest enemies. Khalid followed his father, but he never took part in any abuse or physical excesses against prophet or his followers. But one of his brother, Waleed accepted Islam and migrated to Medina.

Khalid meanwhile pursued his military career in Makkah.

B. His Fights against Prophet:

Khalid took part in all battles which Makkan had against prophet. In fact it was his strategy, in the Battle of Ohud, that turned tide against Muslims and turned their early victory into defeat.

Khalid was very watchful of battle field’s changing situations and when he saw that Muslim archers have vacated a strategic location, he used that situation to attack Muslims from behind, thereby pinning them from both directions.

In battle of Trenches, he protected retreating Makkan army from being attacked from rear.

In the treaty of Hudaibiah, it was Khalid’s Cavalry that forced Prophet to change his course and reach outskirt of Makkah from a unfrequented route.

C. How did prophet “slay” him:

When prophet came to Makkah in year 7AH to perform Umrah, Khalid left Makkah so as to not see the prophet. Prophet enquired about him and said “How strange is that a good and reasonable person like Khalid is away from Islam”.

His brother wrote to him, saying that prophet said such things and asked him not to delay Islam any more. Now Khalid started thinking about Islam and its message and got convinced of its truth.

He decided to go to Medina to accept Islam, when he left Makkah, on the way he met two other Makkan youth, Amr bin Aus and Othman bin Talha…..they came to prophet and seeing the prophet said “Makkah has sent its jewels to you”.

Khalid accepted Islam on the hands of prophet and he asked his companions to teach him about Islam and its teachings.

D. His life After Islam:

Prophet used military brilliance of Khalid, by sending him along with Muslim army to battle of Mautta, in 8 AH, when first three commanders of Muslim armies were martyred, Khalid took the charge and brought them to safety.

Prophet used Khalid in all military actions for remaining period of his life and it was prophet who gave him the title “Sword of Allah”.

Khalid said “Prophet used to love me very much from the day I became Muslim and treat me same as his other companions”

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E. His Military exploits after death of prophet:

Real Military genius of Khalid became evident after death of prophet. He can rightly be called as one of the Best Commanders and Strategist of Battle. His exploits and tactics have won praise from his friends and foe alike.

From the day one, Abu Bakr the First Caliph had full confidence in the competence of Kahlid as a Military commander.

He dispatched him as commander in every critical and important situations. He took part in most crucial battles that arose due to internal strife caused by the death of prophet. He took part in critical battles against false prophets and those who rebelled against the government.

After ensuring Internal peace, Abu Bakr sent Kahlid to lead Muslim armies in Iraq against Iranian Empire. In mere 12 months, Khalid took part in more than 15 battles and was always victorious. He never lost any battle. And within one year captured whole of Iraq for Muslims for ever.

After one year in Iraq, Abu Bakr, asked him to go to Syria and take part in fight against Byzantine Empire and help Muslim armies present there. In Syria also Khalid proved himself to be a military genius and helped capture all important cities of Syria including Palestine and Damascus.

His victory in the famed Battle of Yarmouk, proved the death kneel for Byzantine rule in Syria for ever.

He was present when the city of Jerusalem was handed over by Christians to Omar, the second Caliph.

F. Deposition of Khalid:

It seems incredible, but Omar had Khalid deposed twice, first he lowered his rank from Commander in chief to Section Commander….and after four years from Commander to ordinary soldier.

It speaks good for nature of Khalid as well as “supreme writ” of Omar that he was able to enforce this decision.

In the end Khalid,“ the Best and Most famous Military Commander of Early Muslim army” faced his death not on battle field, but in his house!!

G. Why is Khalid called “Sword of Allah”?

This question was asked from Khalid itself during one of his Byzantine Military campaign. Once just when the action was about to start, one Military Commander from enemy ranks came forward to meet Khalid and said:

“I have a question to ask, reply to me honestly”

“OK, ask what you want” said Khalid

“Is it true that your prophet received a sword from Heaven and gave it to you” Asked his enemy

“No it is not the case, when prophet started his mission, I was his bitter enemy….finally Allah convinced me of the truth of Islam and I went to prophet and accepted his Islam……then he said of me “Khalid is one of the Sword of Allah from His swords, which He has unleashed on Disbelievers” From that day, My nick name has become “Sword of Allah”

Such was Khalid bin Waleed one of the “Victim of Sword of Prophet”!!

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
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Thank you Judging Fan for your catch-up work.

I was starting to miss you. I guess MUQ has you on a short leash these days.
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Rabbi only means a Scholar in Hebrew language. I do not think that it is any religious post.
Even jesus was addressed as "Rabbi" in many occasions in Gospels.
So there could be bad rabbis as well as good rabbis. So I think by branding all Rabbis as NUTTY and Corrupt is not OK.
And to my knowledge Mr. Frijoles is neither a Rabbi nor holding any post of power and beside why should we involve his name in "our" discussions.
The problem in ME is because of "extreme positions" Jews and Palestinians have taken. Both people have some things right in their favour.
What is needed is a sincere and balanced approach and to respect each other and solve the problem from its very roots and not some "stop gap" arrangement.
Ten thousand posts later and you actually post something I agree with.

Judging Fan would be proud

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