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Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45012 Dec 7, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Not Complex, the Jewish prophets said God said. Case closed.
I didnt know you could read Hebrew.

BTW there are many hints for sentience in the bible. Or you can call them anthropomorphisms. Your interpretation. Like the rest of it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45013 Dec 7, 2012
gone again
Frijoles

Litchfield, CT

#45014 Dec 7, 2012
too much info about your smoking habits

:)
former res

Broomall, PA

#45015 Dec 7, 2012
HughBe wrote:
HughBe-- In what sense do you believe it [Sentient, Intelligent, Lawmaker]?
Is the sense of the "creator" you worship, not at all.

If you mean other than that, kindly explain.
HughBe wrote:
HughBe-- Concentrate and answer my question.
I do not compare science with relgion and neither should you. I would only be encouraging your sloppy thinking.
HughBe wrote:
Former--So ANYONE you speak to in your mind exists?
HughBe--- ANYONE= any person. So YES.
So I can close my eyes, have a chat inside my head with Ben Franklin, and voila!?

He will again exist?

I can't wait to try that.

Thanks for the tip. It better work or you'll have some explaining to do.
HughBe wrote:
HughBe-- I respect the RIGHTS of others to have their own views on things.
Really? I don't hear respect when you call Frijoles and his people "slaves."

Nor when you call my rejection of Christianity a "folly."

How do you act when you are NOT showing respect for the views of others? It must get pretty ugly.
HughBe wrote:
HughBe-- Again, the folly of youth.
It is my view as is yours view to talk to god inside your head. Different strokes for different folks.
HughBe wrote:
HughBe-- If I were you I would not have confidence in my numeracy skills. I shall now repeat "Man-made ones tend to be BS." Plus I accept the account of the Jewish people. THINK before you open your mouth again.
So your logic goes kind of backwards.

You don't care about the source of your information.

You see if you like it, and if so, god made it, and if not, man made it?

So again I ask, are all things man-made useless or just his religion?

Seems arbitrary.
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- I gather than in your mind they are mutually exclusive. Correct that nonsense NOW.
Well, I think there are elements in the scripture (as in all fiction) that are true and actually happened.

So certainly there is cross-over, but by and large they are different subjects.

Do you also get confused between math and English?
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- what CS is that? Again, do you hold a view as to how man came into existence?
3rd time - no, I not.

Which part of "no" confuses you?

Nor do have a view on what color pants you are wearing. I accept not kwowing the answer.

I can live with it.
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- What a STUPID question.I don't have "blue eyes and blonde hair " so how could I believe that BS especially since I don't regard nobody as superior to me?
You accept the idea of judging people's superiority (or lack therof) by physical traits not under their control.

I wonder how far you'd go with this notion.
HughBe wrote:
Are you in love with the Nazis? what orifice did you dig it out of before you injected it into the conversation?
See above response.

You have that in common with the Nazis.
HughBe wrote:
Are you an American? Are Americans Nazis? In our lifetime hundreds of millions of whites in your country held the view that they were SUPERIOR to your blacks. Chances are YOU also felt so at some point in your life.
You feel superior to certain othere people. Those with smaller penises.

You said so.

I never felt that way or said so.
former res

Broomall, PA

#45016 Dec 7, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
HughBe--I promise you that I shall but NOT in this life. When I am reincarnated 3 times then I shall do it.
Former--I thought you didn't believe in reincarnation.
HughBe---I do believe in it and that is why I promised him that I would kiss his tush when I am reincarnated 3 times. All he needs to do is wait and don't get too excited because his great anticipation will make him explode on himself.
So you need actual proof (X3) to believe in reincarnation but you'll worship your god without a shred of evidence.

Your inconsistency is showing.
Abdalla Ovadia Cohen

Israel

#45017 Dec 7, 2012
@Frijoles
Don't get me wrong .
The jewish homeland is Israel , since 3800 years ago.
Much before Colombus took a cruise to America or much before the pagan tribes became muslim .

Israel right now is not a jewish state but a state of the jews .
In some cases the state of Israel is so anti jewish that it is hard not to see how the prophecies are coming true !
Accroding to Judaism , we (the jews) are still live in exile .

I know most of the Israeli jews are zionists but for them zionism has different definition .
To the average Israeli , zionism is more like patriotism .
I asked many people in Israel what is Zionism for them . Most of them told me things that can be described as patriotism or the love to the country.
One guy told me :"For me, Zionism is to plant trees in Israel"
another old folk said:"The zionism is liberty of the jewish people for the first time in the last 2000 years"

The israelis has different definition to zionism as I said . It is obvious when you read comments over here and see that most of them speak about the Rothchilds family and the "source of evil" .

The zionist movement with the leadership of the Rothchilds and others , just used the jewish people for their own goals and benefits .
But it is good that the jewish people returned their one and only home .
God has different plans then what they planned !
We just need to be more jews and throw away our ally countries - which are actually our biggest enemies , nothing has changed .
The people who killed the jews through all history are the same people time after time .
Where the Nazis came from ?
Where the Romans came from ?
Who killed the jews during the inquistion ?
But this time they are pretend to be in alliance with Israel .

Israel should naturally be with the arab world !
The hebrew language is similar to arabic .
The muslims believe in the same god we believe .
Israel is in the middle east and not in filthy Europe .
Some of the greatest Rabbis spoke arabic (Rambam for example).
Muslims and jews lived together in peace most of the time and christians used to fight the muslims and slaughter the jews .
I believe history ...
It's just a matter of time until we will see al europian countries and U.S against Israel .(You can see now how Obama is saying "jerusalem is not yours")

WE JUST NEED TO BE MORE JEWS AND LESS ZIONISTS .
and everything will be ok . we will have with the palestinians and europe will starve as always .

I hope you understand ...
The last jew , Abdalla=Ovadia Cohen
Abdalla Ovadia Cohen

Israel

#45018 Dec 7, 2012
And I know people are using anti zionism as a smokescreen for antisemitism .

Don't worry mate .
Soon everything will be much more clear .

All the people of the world who fought the jews are now going to have a nice payback .
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45019 Dec 7, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Hughe--I do believe in it and that is why I promised him that I would kiss his tush when I am reincarnated 3 times. All he needs to do is wait and don't get too excited because his great anticipation will make him explode on himself.
rabbee: well this is all of you and your grandmother's third time
HughBe-- Very funny, Rabbee.
rabbee: pathetic for this world maybe, but definatly not funny any more.

do you have any idea, how many other times. G-D has given this, exact same Story of Creation? some where between, three to four million times.

i lost count of the exact number, a long, long, long time ago, in the same again distant, gal-lack-see. but always in the same agan, Story of Creation.

you newbees have all been, doing this for only like 3 x 6818 years. but i have been here doing only this, for more than 20billion years.

i guess that means i have tenure, and you all don't want it. i have everlasting life, here in TheTorah and you all don't really want it. because the whole world, thinks i am mopre stupid than they are.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45020 Dec 7, 2012
Abdalla Ovadia Cohen wrote:
@Frijoles
Don't get me wrong .
The jewish homeland is Israel , since 3800 years ago.
Much before Colombus took a cruise to America or much before the pagan tribes became muslim .
Israel right now is not a jewish state but a state of the jews .
In some cases the state of Israel is so anti jewish that it is hard not to see how the prophecies are coming true !
Accroding to Judaism , we (the jews) are still live in exile .
I know most of the Israeli jews are zionists but for them zionism has different definition .
To the average Israeli , zionism is more like patriotism .
I asked many people in Israel what is Zionism for them . Most of them told me things that can be described as patriotism or the love to the country.
One guy told me :"For me, Zionism is to plant trees in Israel"
another old folk said:"The zionism is liberty of the jewish people for the first time in the last 2000 years"
The israelis has different definition to zionism as I said . It is obvious when you read comments over here and see that most of them speak about the Rothchilds family and the "source of evil" .
The zionist movement with the leadership of the Rothchilds and others , just used the jewish people for their own goals and benefits .
But it is good that the jewish people returned their one and only home .
God has different plans then what they planned !
We just need to be more jews and throw away our ally countries - which are actually our biggest enemies , nothing has changed .
The people who killed the jews through all history are the same people time after time .
Where the Nazis came from ?
Where the Romans came from ?
Who killed the jews during the inquistion ?
But this time they are pretend to be in alliance with Israel .
Israel should naturally be with the arab world !
The hebrew language is similar to arabic .
The muslims believe in the same god we believe .
Israel is in the middle east and not in filthy Europe .
Some of the greatest Rabbis spoke arabic (Rambam for example).
Muslims and jews lived together in peace most of the time and christians used to fight the muslims and slaughter the jews .
I believe history ...
It's just a matter of time until we will see al europian countries and U.S against Israel .(You can see now how Obama is saying "jerusalem is not yours")
WE JUST NEED TO BE MORE JEWS AND LESS ZIONISTS .
and everything will be ok . we will have with the palestinians and europe will starve as always .
I hope you understand ...
The last jew , Abdalla=Ovadia Cohen
rabbee: how can any house divided, be of even one same g-d/s? i tell you now a divided house, indicates the worship of other g-d/s. diversity is a sign, of corruption. pestilence plague and famine are signs of G-D'S, anger and patience comeing to an end.

G-D does not have different laws, for jews, christians, hindus, chinese, russians, french, pagans, other muslems. traditions and rituals, do not make you true to G-D, here in ThisStory of Creation again.

cutting yourself, tatoos, mikvah submersion, animal sacrifices, do not make you true to G-D. you are all judged, by how actualy true or not true to G-D, you are in ThisStory of Creation again. while some choose to not even, get on the latter at the bottom of the pit. while some only choose, to ascend part way but not past their comfort zone.

but this is the third time, this world has been untrue to G-D, actually here in TheStory of Creatoin again. your second resurrection and third failure. and when you are resurrected, you are not allowed, to keep your corrupted memories from the last times. you start off as if anew, as if for the first time, here in TheStory of Creation.

the only reason this world, has always ever failed. is because you all mentally refused, to be here in ThisStory of Creation from HaShem G-D again. in G-D final comments, just prior to the deluvian. which is destined, now to happen again. because this whole world, helped decieve their grandmother as chaooah.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#45021 Dec 7, 2012
Abdalla Ovadia Cohen wrote:
And I know people are using anti zionism as a smokescreen for antisemitism .
Don't worry mate .
Soon everything will be much more clear .
All the people of the world who fought the jews are now going to have a nice payback .
rabbee: well i prefer, they all repent before that appointed time. i sure hope they all choose, to repent. before G-D places adam and his mate, in charge again. like G-D, i really don't like the idea, of casting pestilence, plague and famine on any peoples or even talking pharoahs also talking critters.

so i do emplore you all, to at least consider being here in TheStory of Creation again.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45022 Dec 7, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I didnt know you could read Hebrew.
BTW there are many hints for sentience in the bible. Or you can call them anthropomorphisms. Your interpretation. Like the rest of it.
Did I say that I could read Hebrew? NO

Learn this well known fact, there is something called TRANSLATIONS.

The Complete Jewish Bible on-line is a TRANSLATION. I know that you did not know this but that is consistent with your ignorance about many things.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45023 Dec 7, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
too much info about your smoking habits
:)
As I read your post ONLY one thought keeps repeating itself, DELUSIONAL.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45024 Dec 7, 2012
Former---Is the sense of the "creator" you worship, not at all.

HughBe--Please read sloooly and try and follow and then ANSWER in an intelligent way.
__________
Again for your benefit.

HughBe---Oh, so you believe in a Sentient, Intelligent, Lawmaker etc., very good.

Former--Not in the religious sense.

HughBe-- In what sense do you believe it?
__________


Former--So ANYONE you speak to in your mind exists?

HughBe--- ANYONE= any person. So YES.

Former--So I can close my eyes, have a chat inside my head with Ben Franklin, and voila!?
He will again exist?
I can't wait to try that.
Thanks for the tip. It better work or you'll have some explaining to do.

HughBe--- Read with care.

1. It is impossible to speak to a PERSON if there is no PERSON.
2. You are alive now. If I close my eyes etc. YOU will not know the conversation that I had in my mind BUT you still exist. So don't expect Ben F and company to respond to you. Get it?

Now, Ben F and others don't have a physical existence anymore BUT they have a SPIRITUAL existence. Get It?

HughBe-- I respect the RIGHTS of others to have their own views on things.

Former--Really? I don't hear respect when you call Frijoles and his people "slaves."

HughBe--- You don't hear many things. The Jewish people are NOT Frijoles people or that of the overlords. They are mere members of that RACE. The enslavement of the Jewish people by their overlords is a matter of FACT whether or not YOU or anyone else likes it. There is no disrespect to call it for what it is and if it is considered disrespectful by some to speak TRUTH then to HELL with them.

Former--How do you act when you are NOT showing respect for the views of others? It must get pretty ugly.

HughBe --- don't worry dear you will find out as I have no reservation in expressing my views.

HughBe-- Plus I accept the account of the Jewish people. THINK before you open your mouth again.

Former--You don't care about the source of your information.

HughBe--- Are you really casting ASPERSIONS on the Jewish people? That is certainly very good and RESPECTFUL of you.

Former--So again I ask, are all things man-made useless or just his religion?

HughBe-- A lot of religious teachings are pure BS.


HughBe--- what CS is that? Again, do you hold a view as to how man came into existence?

Former--3rd time - NO, I not.

HughBe--- STRANGE.

Former--You accept the idea of judging people's superiority (or lack therof) by physical traits not under their control.

HughBe--- Read with understanding. I shall NOW say that PHYSICAL TRAITS can make people superior over others in doing some things e.g. playing basketball.

Why are some people SMARTER than others? Is it PHYSICAL traits?

Former--You have that in common with the Nazis.

HughBe-- Your country has that in common with the Nazis where whites to a large extent and for centuries felt themselves BETTER than blacks.

Former--You feel superior to certain othere people. Those with smaller penises.

You said so.

HughBe-- Really? UNTRUE, read below.
HughBe-- It most certainly one measure of superiority. Functionality is also important. A dead stick is just that USELESS. Did the INTELLIGENCE comment miss you?

Former--Would your god agree with this?

HughBe--- God is SPIRIT. Dick size is of the flesh and so NO.

Former--The Nazis thought those with blue eyes and blonde hair were superior. Traits one has no control over. Do you also believe this?

HughBe--- What a STUPID question.I don't have "blue eyes and blonde hair " so HOW COULD I BELIEVE THAT BS especially since I don't regard nobody as superior to me?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45025 Dec 7, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
So you need actual proof (X3) to believe in reincarnation but you'll worship your god without a shred of evidence.
Your inconsistency is showing.
YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING IS SCREAMING OUT.

Think for a change, I am reincarnated and yet I have no knowledge of it yet others know about MY OWN experience/reincarnation.

Don't you THINK?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#45026 Dec 7, 2012
Former--The Nazis thought those with blue eyes and blonde hair were superior. Traits one has no control over. Do you also believe this?

HughBe--- I don't have "blue eyes and blonde hair " so HOW COULD I BELIEVE THAT BS especially since I don't regard nobody as superior to me?
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#45027 Dec 7, 2012
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-1A

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : MUGHAIRAH (ABU SUFIYAN) BIN HARITH BIN A’ MUTTALIB

A: Background:

He was the real first cousin of our prophet, and the one which was sucked by the same woman (Halima Saa’dia). He was of the same age as our prophet and was very close to our prophet before he proclaimed his mission.

He was very good looking and was very much similar to the prophet in built and appearance. He was a good warrior as well as a very good orator and e very accomplished poet.

Due to this close family ties and their childhood friendship, prophet expected that he would be amongst the first to believe in his message, but he was shocked to see that this Mughirah, not only rejected his mission but became his bitterest enemy.

He would not leave any opportunity to ridicule and make fun of Islam and Muslim and even the personality of our prophet. He would use his poetic skills against prophet and write couplets ridiculing message of prophet.

On one occasion, he even tried to spat on the face of prophet and said “ I would not believe in you, untill you bring down Gabriel from heaven and four other angels, and they testify that you are prophet of God….even then I doubt that I will believe in you”!!

The prophet was very saddened by seeing his cousin and long time friend speaking like this, but he bore the insult with grace and did not reply back.

B: The Tide turns:

After spending 13 years at Makkah, prophet had to flee to Medina and series of battles took place between him and Makkan. This Abu Sufiyan was always present in the rank of armies and would fight for their cause.

However after 8 years of warfare, it was evident that Makkan were no match for the skills and force of our prophet and fall of Makkah was eminent. The news came to Mughairah that prophet is going to attack Makkah soon with a big army.

He knew what would happen to him, if he came in the hands of prophet, he said to his wife “That let us fled Makkah before Prophet’s armies capture Makkah, because they will not leave me alive”

His wife told him “Woe to you, don’t you see how every one is accepting his faith, you should have done this long ago, it is best if you go and seek his pardon”

So he took his young son with him and went to Medina….when prophet saw him, he turned his face away, he came from that direction and faced prophet, prophet again turned his face from his direction..

He asked Um Salima , wife of prophet , to ask pardon from his prophet on his behalf, she agreed and said to prophet “O prophet of Allah, wont you forgive son of your uncle?”

“And what sort of a son of uncle has he been so far” said the prophet “How much have I suffered at his hands?”

Dejected, Mughirah declared that he will go into desert, with his son and they would both die in the desert with thirst and hunger……when prophet heard this resolve, he had mercy on him and ask him to turn back.

Thereupon he declared his faith and became a true disciple of prophet.

( Contd.)
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#45028 Dec 7, 2012
C: As a Muslim:

He was very conscious of his past behaviour to prophet and he never ever even eyed the prophet with full looks always lowering his gaze when he came in presence of prophet.

He tried to compensate for his earlier behaviour, by engaging in long prayers during days and nights, till prophet was convinced of his sincerity and praised him before people.

He used his poetic skills to write couplet in praise of prophet now.

In the battle of Hunain which came just after conquest of Makkah, when the fighting became very severe and many Muslims fled, he was the one along with Abbas who were holding the mount of prophet.

Such was the Sword of Prophet which Killed Mughirah for ever and ever!

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
former res

Broomall, PA

#45030 Dec 8, 2012
HughBe wrote:
HughBe---Oh, so you believe in a Sentient, Intelligent, Lawmaker etc., very good.
Former--Not in the religious sense.
HughBe-- In what sense do you believe it?
I believe we have lawmakers in Washington DC and that some of them are sentient and intelligent.
HughBe wrote:
1. It is impossible to speak to a PERSON if there is no PERSON.
2. You are alive now. If I close my eyes etc. YOU will not know the conversation that I had in my mind BUT you still exist. So don't expect Ben F and company to respond to you. Get it?
So you can't really talk to dead people or imaginary beings (such as god) then - correct?

In your own mind, of course you can do or be whatever you want.
HughBe wrote:
Now, Ben F and others don't have a physical existence anymore BUT they have a SPIRITUAL existence. Get It?
No. What do you mean by spititual existence?

I have heard these terms before but have never seen evidence, much like Santa Claus.

Does all those only occur "in your mind" like certain of your "Conversations"?
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- You don't hear many things. The Jewish people are NOT Frijoles people or that of the overlords. They are mere members of that RACE. The enslavement of the Jewish people by their overlords is a matter of FACT whether or not YOU or anyone else likes it. There is no disrespect to call it for what it is and if it is considered disrespectful by some to speak TRUTH then to HELL with them.
I realize in history that Jews were enslaved. Is this what you mean?

Not today.

What is a Jewish "overlord"? I don't know this term.
HughBe wrote:
HughBe-- Plus I accept the account of the Jewish people. THINK before you open your mouth again.
Former--You don't care about the source of your information.
HughBe--- Are you really casting ASPERSIONS on the Jewish people? That is certainly very good and RESPECTFUL of you.
If I believed everyone else's religious beliefs, then my beliefs would not be my own, would they?

We all are all free to worship (or not) as we choose.

I do not see this as disrespectful.

However you words are disrespectful: "slaves" "overlords" "folly"

Certainly you see the difference, if you are not being obtuse.
HughBe wrote:
Former--So again I ask, are all things man-made useless or just his religion?
HughBe-- A lot of religious teachings are pure BS.
Is this another example of you showing respect?

How about YOUR religion is BS?! What do you think of that?

This sort of talk really does nothing to advance the conversation, does it?
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- what CS is that? Again, do you hold a view as to how man came into existence?
Former--3rd time - NO, I not.
HughBe--- STRANGE.
I also don't hold a view as to what you had for breakfast today.

Unknown and likely unknowable - get it?
HughBe wrote:
Former--You accept the idea of judging people's superiority (or lack therof) by physical traits not under their control.
HughBe--- Read with understanding. I shall NOW say that PHYSICAL TRAITS can make people superior over others in doing some things e.g. playing basketball.
You hadn't qualified your statement in this way before.

That was sloppy thinking and sloppy expression.

Do better.
HughBe wrote:
Why are some people SMARTER than others? Is it PHYSICAL traits?
Combination of things.

But it came to be for me, howver it happened.

:)
HughBe wrote:
Former--You have that in common with the Nazis.
HughBe-- Your country has that in common with the Nazis where whites to a large extent and for centuries felt themselves BETTER than blacks.
Racism is real. No argument here.
former res

Broomall, PA

#45031 Dec 8, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING IS SCREAMING OUT.
Think for a change, I am reincarnated and yet I have no knowledge of it yet others know about MY OWN experience/reincarnation.
Don't you THINK?
So you agree that you worship your god without a shred of evidence?

I have no idea what you're saying about reincarnation. How would "others" know if you were reincarnated? I've never heard of this.

You don't seem to be making sense.
former res

Broomall, PA

#45032 Dec 8, 2012
HughBe wrote:
Former--The Nazis thought those with blue eyes and blonde hair were superior. Traits one has no control over. Do you also believe this?
HughBe--- I don't have "blue eyes and blonde hair " so HOW COULD I BELIEVE THAT BS especially since I don't regard nobody as superior to me?
You are saying that you do in fact regard SOMEBODY as superior to you.

Ever heard of a "double negative?"

Sloppy thinking leads to sloppy communication.

I know you will strive to do better.

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