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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44835 Dec 4, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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What do you expect from someone who's best argument for his beliefs is a well known logical fallacy.
I bet it never even crossed his mind to question the fairy tales he was told as a child.

Hook, line and sinker.

Whatever happened to critical thinking?
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44837 Dec 4, 2012
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- I do NOT follow others. I am an INDEPENDENT thinker.
Really?

Let's see if that's true.

Were you born into your religion or did you choose it?
HughBe wrote:
Former--Do either of us sound like someone with a god?
HughBe--- Yes it is called STUPIDITY/self.
My god is stupidity?

Please expand on that comment.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44838 Dec 4, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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give me your own ideas in your own words.
You too.

You say this:

HughBe--- I do NOT follow others. I am an INDEPENDENT thinker.

If so, independently, kindly explain how or why you know your god exists (without quoting the words of others).

And please don't fall back on that old "Since you can't explain the universe, MY explanation must be the correct one."

Thank you. Anxously awaiting your wise reponse.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44839 Dec 4, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Ok - if there are 51 people
Party A: 20 people: believes in Red
Party B: 20 People: believes in Brown
Party C: 1 person: Believes in Orange
"Majority" Coalition is A + C
"Minority" coalition is B
Coalition A now advocates for Orange, and to a lesser extent Red and never Brown
How would you describe that?
Well, according to the definition as I understand it...you would need a total of 26 to make a majority of 50 or 51.(Where 21 in your example would make a plurality.)

However, the next part is this:

. "In British English, majority and plurality are often used as synonyms, and the term majority is also alternatively used to refer to the winning margin, i.e. the number of votes separating the first-place finisher from the second-place finisher."

So, if they're following the British definitons, then I guess either term works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44840 Dec 4, 2012
HughBe wrote:
Frijoles,
HughBe--When you speak about don't care, who are the WE? Is it Americans? Is it Judaites?
What is a Judaite?

Please provide a link to the source of your definition.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44841 Dec 4, 2012
former res wrote:
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Well, according to the definition as I understand it...you would need a total of 26 to make a majority of 50 or 51.(Where 21 in your example would make a plurality.)
However, the next part is this:
. "In British English, majority and plurality are often used as synonyms, and the term majority is also alternatively used to refer to the winning margin, i.e. the number of votes separating the first-place finisher from the second-place finisher."
So, if they're following the British definitons, then I guess either term works.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority
yes, it gets confusing, but the basic idea is that a minority party hijacks a larger party and empowers both....kind of like the Tea Party

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#44842 Dec 4, 2012
former res wrote:
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I bet it never even crossed his mind to question the fairy tales he was told as a child.
Hook, line and sinker.
Whatever happened to critical thinking?
For many, wishful thinking trumps critical thinking. Unfortunate, but true.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44843 Dec 4, 2012
former res wrote:
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I dig.
Like Obama playing hardball on the budget. He tried Mr. Nice guy last time and we know where it got him.
And then there is this
Jewish Congregation Applauds U.N. Vote on Palestine
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/nyregion/je...
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44844 Dec 4, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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And then there is this
Jewish Congregation Applauds U.N. Vote on Palestine
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/05/nyregion/je...
.

I respect that.

What do they say, the real test of free speech support etc - when you disagree with the movement.

And that's also what I really call liberal.

I like this line:

"Having gained independence ourselves in this way, we are especially conscious of this."

(Now maybe stop bothering the poor little Messianics...:))
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44845 Dec 4, 2012
former res wrote:
<quoted text>.
I respect that.
What do they say, the real test of free speech support etc - when you disagree with the movement.
And that's also what I really call liberal.
I like this line:
"Having gained independence ourselves in this way, we are especially conscious of this."
(Now maybe stop bothering the poor little Messianics...:))
I found the comments interesting.

"Is this news?....Jews who are liberals..thats like dog bites man.."
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44847 Dec 4, 2012
former res wrote:
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Really?
Let's see if that's true.
Were you born into your religion or did you choose it?
<quoted text>
My god is stupidity?
Please expand on that comment.
HughBe--- I do NOT follow others. I am an INDEPENDENT thinker.
Really?

Former---Let's see if that's true.

HughBe--- My words are TRUTH whether or not you can "see" that.

Former--Were you born into your religion or did you choose it?

HughBe -- It was a matter of choice.

Former--Do either of us sound like someone with a god?

HughBe-- Both of us sound that way. The thing is one knows it while the other YOU don't. Let me not leave you in the dark. It takes great FAITH and I would add STUPIDITY to believe the nonsense that you do. Your very experience should have taught you that beauty, order, laws are ALL MADE.

VIBRATIONS are things that you are used to but even you know so well they cannot produce the laws etc.

HughBe--- Yes it is called STUPIDITY/self.

Former--My god is stupidity? Please expand on that comment.

HughBe--- Memory tells me that you are either an atheist or agnostic. Did you see the self part? If there is no supreme being then you are like a god.

Let me break it down for you.
1. Are you superior to the atoms in your computer?
2.Are you superior to the atoms in the air?
3.Are you superior to the atoms in the earth?
4.Are you superior to the atoms in the sea?
5.Are you superior to the atoms in the sun?
6.Are you superior to the atoms in moon?
7. Then you are superior to ALL of nature and given that there is no Supreme being that makes you god.
spend the time to digest these words.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44848 Dec 4, 2012
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
HughBe--- I do NOT follow others. I am an INDEPENDENT thinker.
Really?
Former---Let's see if that's true.
HughBe--- My words are TRUTH whether or not you can "see" that.
Former--Were you born into your religion or did you choose it?
HughBe -- It was a matter of choice.
Former--Do either of us sound like someone with a god?
HughBe-- Both of us sound that way. The thing is one knows it while the other YOU don't. Let me not leave you in the dark. It takes great FAITH and I would add STUPIDITY to believe the nonsense that you do. Your very experience should have taught you that beauty, order, laws are ALL MADE.
VIBRATIONS are things that you are used to but even you know so well they cannot produce the laws etc.
HughBe--- Yes it is called STUPIDITY/self.
Former--My god is stupidity? Please expand on that comment.
HughBe--- Memory tells me that you are either an atheist or agnostic. Did you see the self part? If there is no supreme being then you are like a god.
Let me break it down for you.
1. Are you superior to the atoms in your computer?
2.Are you superior to the atoms in the air?
3.Are you superior to the atoms in the earth?
4.Are you superior to the atoms in the sea?
5.Are you superior to the atoms in the sun?
6.Are you superior to the atoms in moon?
7. Then you are superior to ALL of nature and given that there is no Supreme being that makes you god.
spend the time to digest these words.
Former Res is Former Res. Why do you have to invent a God concept to describe what is already there?
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#44851 Dec 4, 2012
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-0 (Introduction):

If we listen to enemies of Islam, the picture they present of our prophet is like one “Ruthless man, sitting on a throne, with sword in his hands, his enemies are brought to him, one by one, he gives them only two choices, Islam or they die”.

Faced with naked sword and death in front of them, his enemies “really had no choice but to become Muslim”. Using his sword and threats, he browbeaten his enemies into submission, and those who showed even the least resistance were put to death in cold blood.

But when we refer to the factual reports of the era, the picture is totally different.

Every one knows that Prophet Mohammad was born in Makkah, though being born in a High Clan of Makkan tribe, and possessing a very likeable personality and a man known for his honesty and truth, he did not possessed any political or monetary power.

When he started his mission, he was in absolute minority of one in Makkah, he had not even a single follower. When he started his mission, he and his immediate followers had to face a lot of hardship at the hands of Makkan people.

There is not a single person of Early or late Makkan period, who did not had to face persecution and extreme torture at the hands of Makkan people.

If he was to use “sword” as a means of conversion, how could he won those early converts in Makkah period? Becoming Muslim in those days was putting your head on the block so to say.

Muslims were persecuted and physically tortured to such a degree that, many had to leave their birthplace and take refuge in the country of Abyssinia, a feature which was strange for a “Clan based society” of Arabia of those days.

Some people say, that prophet did not use force in Makkah period, but once he got some power in Medina, he started using force and torture and threat to get new converts.

People fail to realize that being Muslim in Early Medina period also was no less dangerous, Medina was a very small city and it was engulfed by Non Muslims in every direction. There was danger of outside attacks at any time, and in the battle fields, Muslim armies were always outnumbered by their enemies.

How could prophet then rely on support from that “forced Muslims”, they would ditch him at critical situations and lead to defeat of Muslims.

After saying all this, I conceded that prophet did have “Many Swords” which he used to “Slay his enemies” and “Make them his slaves for ever”!! Let us see, how many swords had he:

1. Sword of Truth (The Most Potent of All).

2. Sword of Reason and Logic.

3. Sword of Patience and Perseverance.

4. Sword of Compassion and Forgiveness.

5. Sword of Open-handedness and Charity.

6. Sword of Appreciation and Acknowledgement.

7. Sword of Equity and Justice.

8. And finally Sword of Steel, which he used very sparingly.

Selecting and using proper sword at proper time, the Prophet was so successful in “Slaying and Capturing his bitterest enemies”.

I have selected a few cases from that period to prove my point and I will present them before our “Friends” on this thread, whose only purpose is to malign the Noble Character of our prophet.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#44853 Dec 4, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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It is not only the Fed. Govt. based on my experience here.
rabbee: well most can't even grasp, that just being an american does not necessarily make you a united states born citizen. more or less, whether you classify a person where they are born or where they presently live. or that if you are born, in north or south america are you an american? as i do not even believe in these silly divisions, of spanish american, african american, chinese american, japanese american, etc... your either american or not american, either your a us citizen or not a us citizen. using racial or other prejudiced titles, tells me you are not a loyal citizen. and that your loyalty, is already divided.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#44854 Dec 4, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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please explain to me the process by which someone can effectively denounce his BIOLOGY and it makes a difference to the reality.
BIOLOGY is not a membership CLUB like RELIGION.
Tell me, when a person DENOUNCES his LINEAGE, does it CHANGE it? Does it change who is father is, or granfather etc.?
rabbee: well that depends, on if you consider your biology as and ape or not. since i do not suscribe to the religious order, of talking apes or other religious talking critters.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#44855 Dec 4, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Jamaica is 50 years old.
rabbee: well only the name jamaica, might be. but i am sure the name has existed, many times before.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#44856 Dec 4, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Your only hope is that Hughbe doesnt have an extra one to share.
rabbee: well i don't think, that bed wetters can help it.it's just too hard, to keep them from getting pissed off.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#44857 Dec 4, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
How can you say that, considering the fact that the land was to be taken from us and we had to be driven out, how come we do not look at the terms of the Covenant?
In which court of the law, the covenant would be kept secret and the party which is to be evicted will not be shown the covenant and comment on it?
Religious or non religious, let us see the terms of covenant and find out what religious or non religious duties were imposed on both parties.
If one party is clearly violating each and every term of that covenant, then their claims have to be rejected, summarily by any court. Unless the court could be one of the Kangaroo courts!!
How come a reasonable person like you, becomes so unreasonable when we discuss something so simple, so trivial and so basic.
If the people wanted to return to the land of covenant, to establish a truly religious society, the one which their covenant demanded, it would have been a totally different situation.
rabbee: ok so G-D, is taking it from you. and giving it, to someone else? what is, your problem with that? and G-D, can take even more land away from you for being sore losers.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#44858 Dec 4, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Yes the Muslims have also got bitten by the "nationalist" bug form the western nations.
What we are seeing before us is the result of the same bug.
If European Nations can become one nation on the basis of Christianity (it is a well guarded secret though, they do not speak so in public and news media and electronic media does not comment on it much).... then why can't Muslim nations join on the basis of Islam.
rabbee: so are you saying that, your colloquial g-d all-h is not as powerfull as TheG-D of all Creation? and not even as powerful, as the colloquial g-d of the jews or christians?
truth

Perth, Australia

#44859 Dec 4, 2012
sword
$word
4=d in alphabeth order
death
4=protivstine adversary

''nevolje duhovne i vremenite''
duhovne=spirit
vremenite=materialistic

find meaning adversary

http://www.google.com.au/search...
Moli!
Sveti Ante izbavi nas od protivstina!
Smiluj nam se!
Hvala Stvoritelju na stvaranju.
Sinu na otkupljenju.
Majci na rodenju.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

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