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former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44735 Dec 3, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Its more complicated I think these days. Your spouse has to be recognized as a Jew by the Israeli rabbinate I think. The Israeli rabbinate is nuts.(Rightwing and corrupt).
No, I understand.

They won't just take our word for it.

Try moving to Canada too.

They have standards.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44736 Dec 3, 2012
Is this a wise move?

__________

By NBC News staff and wire services

TEL AVIV -- Israel faced sharp criticism Monday from several European governments over its decision to expand settlement building in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem following U.N. de facto recognition of Palestinian statehood.

In London, the British government summoned the Israeli ambassador to express disapproval of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's decision.

"We deplore the recent Israeli government decision to build 3,000 new housing units and unfreeze development in the E1 block (of East Jerusalem). This threatens the viability of the two-state solution," Britain's Foreign and Commonwealth Office said in a statement.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/03...
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44738 Dec 3, 2012
former res wrote:
Is this a wise move?
__________
By NBC News staff and wire services
TEL AVIV -- Israel faced sharp criticism Monday from several European governments over its decision to expand settlement building in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem following U.N. de facto recognition of Palestinian statehood.
In London, the British government summoned the Israeli ambassador to express disapproval of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's decision.
"We deplore the recent Israeli government decision to build 3,000 new housing units and unfreeze development in the E1 block (of East Jerusalem). This threatens the viability of the two-state solution," Britain's Foreign and Commonwealth Office said in a statement.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/03...
Consider it like the opening of a bargaining position.

I dont agree with it but I can certainly understand why they did it.

After an announcement like that is made, there are still a few months needed to do the planning - no different than here or anywhere else. That will buy the time for negotiation.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44739 Dec 3, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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Consider it like the opening of a bargaining position.
I dont agree with it but I can certainly understand why they did it.
After an announcement like that is made, there are still a few months needed to do the planning - no different than here or anywhere else. That will buy the time for negotiation.
I dig.

Like Obama playing hardball on the budget. He tried Mr. Nice guy last time and we know where it got him.

I wonder if Huggybear eloped with his donkey??
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44740 Dec 3, 2012
former res wrote:
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I dig.
Like Obama playing hardball on the budget. He tried Mr. Nice guy last time and we know where it got him.
I wonder if Huggybear eloped with his donkey??
The only problem, of course, is that I doubt this will bring the Palestinians into negotiation. It is clear that they are trying to use worldwide sympathy to pressure Israel into declaring the state, instead of negotiating bilaterally.

Huggy has been quiet. I hope he uses protection.

HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44741 Dec 3, 2012
former res wrote:
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I dig.
Like Obama playing hardball on the budget. He tried Mr. Nice guy last time and we know where it got him.
I wonder if Huggybear eloped with his donkey??
Former---I wonder if Huggybear eloped with his donkey??

HughBe--- My donkey is always attached to me, if you know what I mean. On the other hand, you have to mount your ass, if you know what I mean.

wink wink
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44742 Dec 3, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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The only problem, of course, is that I doubt this will bring the Palestinians into negotiation. It is clear that they are trying to use worldwide sympathy to pressure Israel into declaring the state, instead of negotiating bilaterally.
Huggy has been quiet. I hope he uses protection.
Frijoles---Huggy has been quiet. I hope he uses protection.

HughBe-- Tell me, how can I protect myself from myself? Unlike you, my donkey is attached to me.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44743 Dec 3, 2012
former res wrote:
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Are you saying that because I cannot identify my maker that YOUR explanation of all this is the correct one?
That makes no sense whatsoever.
What evidence (not even proof)do you have that the "god" you worship is the correct one? Or even that he exists or ever did?
You have nothing. Just some old words that could have been inspired by anyone.
At least your donkey friend is real.
Former---Are you saying that because I cannot identify my maker that YOUR explanation of all this is the correct one?

HughBe--- No, I am not saying that. These are the things that I am saying. You cannot IDENTIFY your Maker because you are blind. My explanation is correct because I can SEE the evidence of YOUR Maker.

Former--That makes no sense whatsoever.

HughBe--- My answer above has corrected this state of yours.

Former---What evidence (not even proof)do you have that the "god" you worship is the correct one? Or even that he exists or ever did?

HughBe-- I have the fulfilment of prophecies.

Former---At least your donkey friend is real.

HughBe--- I accept your comment IF you are speaking about yourself or Frijoles. However if it is YOUR other donkey that you have been talking about then I thank you for the confirmation that you have no idea of what is reality and what is make-believe.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44744 Dec 3, 2012
Eric wrote:
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Hey, it was my analogy. It was your faulty analogy. You are the one who analogized it with citizenship. I didn't.
Eric---Hey, it was my analogy

HughBe--- accepted
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44745 Dec 3, 2012
former res wrote:
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I wish your fledgling country all the best.
Jamaica is 50 years old.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44746 Dec 3, 2012
former res wrote:
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Embrace your love of livestock.
It's probably ok where you live.
Former---Embrace your love of livestock.

HughBe--- you speak as if you have just discoverd this truth. YOU should know that I love you. I love ALL dumb animals.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44747 Dec 3, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles---Huggy has been quiet. I hope he uses protection.
HughBe-- Tell me, how can I protect myself from myself? Unlike you, my donkey is attached to me.
I rate that as a funny.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44748 Dec 3, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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The only problem, of course, is that I doubt this will bring the Palestinians into negotiation. It is clear that they are trying to use worldwide sympathy to pressure Israel into declaring the state, instead of negotiating bilaterally.
Huggy has been quiet. I hope he uses protection.
He's baaack.

Nations only seem to be interested in international consensus when it suits them.

Robert McNamara in the "Fog of War" documentary said when other nations with similar values do not support you, you might want to re-examine your policy.

He said this of course in connection with Vietnam and how no other ally supported or involvement.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44749 Dec 3, 2012
former res wrote:
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It was you who called me "big boy."
A term of endearment among gay Jamaicans?
"big boy" = physically mature but mentally immature.

Unless I took leave of my senses I could never call you "big boy" given that I consider PENCILS,the group that your tool falls into,as small.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44750 Dec 3, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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My explanation is correct because I can SEE the evidence of YOUR Maker.
Is this evidence only in your head or is it something you are willing and/or able to share?
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe-- I have the fulfilment of prophecies.
Such as....?

Are you a warlock?

Do you sacrifice chickens (or perhaps donkeys)?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44751 Dec 3, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
You know very well that WE are also the aggrieved party, so we have every right to look at the terms of the covenant and verify if the parties have met their parts of the covenant.
If the issue did not involve us, then we would have cared least about the covenant and its terms.
And you know very well what issue we are talking about and which is the land under contention.
MUQ---You know very well that WE are also the aggrieved party, so we have every right to look at the terms of the covenant and verify if the parties have met their parts of the covenant

HughBe--- I know no such thing. This is what I know, your group is NOT a party to the land covenant. So a review of the covenant must be done by you and yours for academic purposes ONLY.

MUQ---If the issue did not involve us, then we would have cared least about the covenant and its terms.

HughBe--- The issue of the covenant DOES NOT involve your group.

MUQ---And you know very well what issue we are talking about and which is the land under contention.

HughBe--- I know what you have in mind. I also know that like one of the parties to the covenant the issues are being mixed up. The religious ones on the other side don't have a full grasp of the covenants and issues are mixed up very much like what your side is doing.
former res

Newtown Square, PA

#44752 Dec 3, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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Jamaica is 50 years old.
Congratulations.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44753 Dec 3, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
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I rate that as a funny.
As I have said before, the association is making you sharper.:D
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#44754 Dec 3, 2012
former res wrote:
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Is this evidence only in your head or is it something you are willing and/or able to share?
<quoted text>
Such as....?
Are you a warlock?
Do you sacrifice chickens (or perhaps donkeys)?
1. Indeed the size of my HEAD tells me that there is a loving God.

2. Take a walk and look at the world around you and look into the sky.

3. World empires as was prophesied by Daniel.

4. A witness

5. Not chicken but "the sacrifices of righteousness"
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#44755 Dec 3, 2012
HughBe wrote:
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As I have said before, the association is making you sharper.:D
Actually, the association is making me more clownish.

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