Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

[HughBe]

Frijoles wrote:

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Again, thank you for sharing your religious beliefs and your religious interpretations.
As far as "ours" I might quote the holy man Tonto- "What do you mean, WE, white man?"

Frijoles---"What do you mean, WE, white man?"

HughBe--- YOU used the word WE and I repeated and used it in the same way that it was originally used.

Now, your comment also tells me the difficulty that WE are having with the FACT that the Israelites of the Exodus were ALL Africans, "white man".

[former res]

HughBe wrote:

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Frijoles---We also know that today one is either a Christian or a Jew in religion.
HughBe--- says the god-men of Judaism. TRUTH says otherwise. Being Jewish is BIOLOGY it has NEVER been anything more. Being Indian etc. is BIOLOGY it has NEVER been anything more. Religious beliefs and covenants are another matter.
Why don't you use DNA testing to determine the religious beliefs and hence who is a Jew?

I don't know Huggybear....

Frijoles stated he thought you were "reasonably intelligent" and I would really like to believe that.

But when you write things like the above.

Read on:

The Jews (Hebrew: &#1497;&#1456;&#14 92;&#1493;&#1468;& #1491;&#1460;&#1497; &#1501; ISO 259-3 Yehudim Israeli pronunciation [jehu&#712;dim]), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and an ethnoreligious group, originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[3}

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An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group of people whose members are also unified by a common religious background. Ethnoreligious communities define their ethnic identity neither exclusively by ancestral heritage nor simply by religious affiliation, but often through a combination of both[citation needed](a long shared history; a cultural tradition of its own; either a common geographical origin, or descent from a small number of common ancestors; a common language, not necessarily peculiar to the group; a common literature peculiar to the group; a common religion different from that of neighbouring groups; being a minority or being an oppressed or a dominant group within a larger community).[citation needed]

Examples of ethnic groups defined by ancestral religions are the Jews, the Druze of the Levant, the Copts of Egypt, the Yazidi of northern Iraq, the Zoroastrians of Iran and India, and the Serer of Senegal, the Gambia and Mauritania.[1]

[HughBe]

former res wrote:

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What would be right amount of ugly to depict you?
:))
Seems as though you're only quibbling over a matter of degree.

A greek god would be just about right.

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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You are having a problem calling yourself an American and that has been noted. Why not pack your bags and go?
You have also deceived yourself into thinking that you have outwitted me.
Your position is clear.

I gather you still havent figured out what a Yankee is.

[former res]

HughBe wrote:

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JEWS started Christianity.
JEWS are CENTRAL to Christianity starting with Moses and ALL the prophets and JESUS, the CHRIST and the apostles

You responded to NONE of my points or questions because you have no response other than to reapeat your same old xxxxxxxx.

First off. This isn't about history. It's about religious beliefs.

You may believe your relgion is a matter of fact, but guess what? Lots of folks do. Doesn't make it so.

This is why we call it faith - belief without proof.

We all agree that early Christians started out as Jews.

This proves nothing.

Do you have any other arguments or are we done here?

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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Frijoles---"What do you mean, WE, white man?"
HughBe--- YOU used the word WE and I repeated and used it in the same way that it was originally used.
Now, your comment also tells me the difficulty that WE are having with the FACT that the Israelites of the Exodus were ALL Africans, "white man".

Thank you for your interesting interpretation of your scriptures. If I ever want to convert to your religion (something occupying theological space between Chrsitianity and the Church of the Holy Confusion), I will keep it in mind.

[Frijoles]

HughBe wrote:

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A greek god would be just about right.

Greek God I can do too

http://hotnerdgirl.files.wordpress.com/2010/1...

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

sorry if i am not, both your grandfather and grandmother any more. but where ever you are luke, i am your grandfather and everyone elses too. but this is not my decision to make here in TheStory of Creation again.
funny how G-D always sticks to physically giving THEIR OWN Scripture, meanwhile none of you mentally are here.
funny how G-D is always giving TheWhole Torah physically. and you all are and your grandmother, are all mentally showing off not here in IT thrice aaagain.

rabbee: and i wish all you clowns, would stop calling us or me jesus. so you can justify yourselves with the enemy of G-D, in some alleged as new testament. when G-D is being True, to TheOnly Story THEY/BOTH only promised to give to us.

here in the same story of creation, just again from G-D. when your disbelief of this, shall only result in more and more tradgity for all.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

do you even realize, what you are all doing and have done? we all could have been in GanEden, had this world been telling the truth, by the time me and your grandmother arrived again.

this so that i would have had, the slightest chance to know what G-D was talking about. when G-D always comes to visit with TheHisSon adam, for the first time again here in TheTorah.

me and this world's grandmother sarah faye ann carney, are not the only ones who have screwed up any chance at GanEden. with it again, sooo screwed up, long before we even arrived again. and this is not the first time, G-D has given this whole story of creation to all of you and your grandmother sarah.

do you all realize how horribly pathetic, and inept this all is again? this is like total humilliation, with all of you following the subtle beasts again. with all of their fantacy stories, of never being actually here in TheTorah.

with not one person on earth, expecting this arrival of me and you mama from G-D again. even robbing me and your grandmother of the truth from G-D here in TheTorah. because of all your other, corrupt stinkin thinkin.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

and those who have studied, and read the actual Torah Scroll. should feel even more embarassed, for not expecting me and their grandmother sarah. even after G-D had Adam, put to death on the tree of life for adam and his mate to be return aaagain.

and even more embarassing, now that we are here. to not believe their grandfather adam, actually telling you what G-D said about us all being here in TheTorah for the third Torot time again. and rejecting the truth of G-D, for the sake of some vain arrogance in denial.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

me and this world's grandmother, may both be the hamosheeach some have been waiting for. but i cannot accept this now, without G-D actually coming to tell me this is true. and that this appointed sarah faye ann carney, is to be this world's grandmother appointed again.

and the both of us again, shall rule the whole world for the last day. when G-D takes, the well deserved day of rest again. just like all the other times, G-D gave this same story of creation countless times before this.

and i am sorry, if G-D gives adam with another mate. and none of you, ever get another chance to ever exist again. but don't any of you, tell me you do not deserve non-existance right now. for your blastphemy against, Ruach HaKodesh here in TheTorah you all deny.

[Eric]

HughBe wrote:

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Sorry my previous comment was for Frijoles.
Now this is for you. Based on your INTENT are YOU an American or an Israeli or Israelite?

If you are an American, I am one too. I am also an Israelite. Both by intent.

[HughBe]

former res wrote:

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I don't know Huggybear....
Frijoles stated he thought you were "reasonably intelligent" and I would really like to believe that.
But when you write things like the above.
Read on:
The Jews (Hebrew: &#1497;&#1456;&#14 92;&#1493;&#1468;& #1491;&#1460;&#1497; &#1501; ISO 259-3 Yehudim Israeli pronunciation [jehu&#712;dim]), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and an ethnoreligious group, originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[3}
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An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group of people whose members are also unified by a common religious background. Ethnoreligious communities define their ethnic identity neither exclusively by ancestral heritage nor simply by religious affiliation, but often through a combination of both[citation needed](a long shared history; a cultural tradition of its own; either a common geographical origin, or descent from a small number of common ancestors; a common language, not necessarily peculiar to the group; a common literature peculiar to the group; a common religion different from that of neighbouring groups; being a minority or being an oppressed or a dominant group within a larger community).[citation needed]
Examples of ethnic groups defined by ancestral religions are the Jews, the Druze of the Levant, the Copts of Egypt, the Yazidi of northern Iraq, the Zoroastrians of Iran and India, and the Serer of Senegal, the Gambia and Mauritania.[1]

Former---I don't know Huggybear....

HughBe--- You are CORRECT that you don't know and that is why you should take it from he who knows, me.

FORMER---The Jews (Hebrew: &#1497;&#1456;&#14 92;&#1493;&#1468;& #1491;&#1460;&#1497; &#1501; ISO 259-3 Yehudim Israeli pronunciation [jehu&#712;dim]), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and an ethnoreligious group, originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[3}.....

HughBe--- Listen closely and well. Don't believe every BS that you read. This "ethnoreligious" is BS. The Israelites existed for HUNDREDS of years BEFORE they got "Judaism" and even after they got "Judaism" they did not follow it. Those are the FACTS. So cut the BS.

Have you every heard of the 10 tribes of Israel? If yes ask those MORONS who you have quoted what was there RELIGION?

Ask the overlords or god-men of Judaism the same question and ask them if the 10 TRIBES were Israel and what makes them Israel? This whole thing is a LIE and a means of mentally ENSLAVING the Jewish people.

Again, please take your time and STUDY the TRUTH. Being Jewish is BIOLOGY it has NEVER been anything more. Being Indian etc. is BIOLOGY it has NEVER been anything more.

Religious beliefs and covenants are another matter.

Why use DNA testing if not to determine RACE? Why the importance of saying that Israel descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob if it is not RACE?

[HughBe]

Frijoles wrote:

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I gather you still havent figured out what a Yankee is.

I SEE that you are still deceiving yourself, you unpatriotic American.

[HughBe]

former res wrote:

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You responded to NONE of my points or questions because you have no response other than to reapeat your same old xxxxxxxx.
First off. This isn't about history. It's about religious beliefs.
You may believe your relgion is a matter of fact, but guess what? Lots of folks do. Doesn't make it so.
This is why we call it faith - belief without proof.
We all agree that early Christians started out as Jews.
This proves nothing.
Do you have any other arguments or are we done here?

BS. There is NOTHING that you can come with that I cannot handle so cut the BS.

[former res]

HughBe wrote:

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This "ethnoreligious" is BS. The Israelites existed for HUNDREDS of years BEFORE they got "Judaism"...

Really?

According to the Jewish sacred writings, WHICH BECAME THE HEBREW BIBLE, Jews are descended from the ancient people of Israel who settled in the land of Canaan, located between the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River (1451 BCE). The Children of Israel shared a lineage through their common ancestors, Abraham, his son Isaac, and Isaac's son Jacob, Hebrews whose nomadic travels centered around Hebron somewhere between 1991 and 1706 BCE, apparently leading to the establishment of the Cave of the Patriarchs as their burial site in Hebron. The Children of Israel consisted of twelve tribes, each descended from one of Jacob's twelve sons, Reuven, Shimon, Levi, Yehuda, Yissachar, Zevulun, Dan, Gad, Naftali, Asher, Yosef, and Benyamin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_history#A...

HughBe wrote:

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Being Jewish is BIOLOGY it has NEVER been anything more. Being Indian etc. is BIOLOGY it has NEVER been anything more.

You can call yourself of Jewish descent if you claim to have Jewish blood. I have no problem with that.

Is that what you call yourslf? And why?

I don't know the name of your particular religious cult. Is that a secret? I've asked before.

Some sort of quasi-Christian splinter group I would think. Probably not important enough to be dangerous.

For you to say that being Jewish has never been associated with Judaism is patently absurd.

One of the oldest ethnoreligius groups in the world. Probably the oldest.

[former res]

HughBe wrote:

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Have you every heard of the 10 tribes of Israel? If yes ask those MORONS who you have quoted what was there RELIGION?

Looks like it was 12 tribes.

Makes one wonder what else you're wrong about.

[HughBe]

former res wrote:

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Really?
According to the Jewish sacred writings, WHICH BECAME THE HEBREW BIBLE, Jews are descended from the ancient people of Israel who settled in the land of Canaan, located between the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River (1451 BCE). The Children of Israel shared a lineage through their common ancestors, Abraham, his son Isaac, and Isaac's son Jacob, Hebrews whose nomadic travels centered around Hebron somewhere between 1991 and 1706 BCE, apparently leading to the establishment of the Cave of the Patriarchs as their burial site in Hebron. The Children of Israel consisted of twelve tribes, each descended from one of Jacob's twelve sons, Reuven, Shimon, Levi, Yehuda, Yissachar, Zevulun, Dan, Gad, Naftali, Asher, Yosef, and Benyamin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_history#A...
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You can call yourself of Jewish descent if you claim to have Jewish blood. I have no problem with that.
Is that what you call yourslf? And why?
I don't know the name of your particular religious cult. Is that a secret? I've asked before.
Some sort of quasi-Christian splinter group I would think. Probably not important enough to be dangerous.
For you to say that being Jewish has never been associated with Judaism is patently absurd.
One of the oldest ethnoreligius groups in the world. Probably the oldest.

HughBe--- This "ethnoreligious" is BS. The Israelites existed for HUNDREDS of years BEFORE they got "Judaism"...

Former--Really?

HughBe--- Really!!! Your own quote supports it. Note the emphasis on LINEAGE or BIOLOGY. Note LINEAGE has to do with RACE. It does not speak to BEHAVIOUR or beliefs. "The Children of Israel shared a LINEAGE(RACE) through their common ancestors, Abraham, his son Isaac, and Isaac's son Jacob, Hebrews whose nomadic travels centered around Hebron somewhere between 1991 and 1706 BCE,.."



Former---You can call yourself of Jewish descent if you claim to have Jewish blood. I have no problem with that.

hughBe-- I make no claim, I declare the FACTS. There is no need to claim the reality.

Former--Is that what you call yourslf? And why?

HughBe-- I am of mixed heritage. I don't call myself Jewish and I have NEVER done so but I was NEVER ashamed of my Jewish blood.

Former--I don't know the name of your particular religious cult. Is that a secret? I've asked before.

HughBe--- look in your drawers for cult. My religion is not a secret and is found in the scriptures.

Former--For you to say that being Jewish has never been associated with Judaism is patently absurd.

HughBe--- Do you what is absurd and laughable? Is it the fact that I have explained it so many times and it keeps going over your head. Tell me who was the first Jew and then tell me if he had Judaism. Tell me about the Judaism of the Israel of the exodus meaning while they were in Egypt.

Please THINK it is starting to hurt me in my ....

Former--One of the oldest ethnoreligius groups in the world. Probably the oldest.

HughBe--- Tell me the religion of the 10 tribes who went into CAPITIVITY. Open your mind and close your mouth then you shall learn.

[rabbee yehoshooah adam]

former res wrote:

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Looks like it was 12 tribes.
Makes one wonder what else you're wrong about.

rabbee: well i would say, there were a lot more than twelve, becase of Efreeeem, Manassah, along with the rest of the multitude of other tribes, that left egypt including egyptians.

[former res]

The largest Abrahamic religions are, in order, Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Other Abrahamic religions include Druze and Baha'i Faith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religi...

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So Huggy, you may rightfully claim you follow an Abrahamic relgion, but not Judaism.

Don't be upset.

Just be happy to live and learn.